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[EHondaMashButton]

Why didn't the reapers shut the mass relays down? Doesn't leaving the relays running defeat the point of cultivating our civilization to rely on them for transportion?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MIpsejZRq0#t=3m21s

[Astrogenesis]

Yeah, I think Vigil stated that the Reapers invaded a system and stopped anyone from comming or going so that they could destroy all life in that system and them move on.

Funny how that didn't happen in ME3

[OdanUrr]

Well, even an immortal race of sentient machines can get senile.

[NeoNatica]

I'm sure they left them open to quick travel from one system to another. I'm also guessing that they knew of Shepard's plans to fight the Reapers and were trying to stop him by invading systems and slowing his cause.

[OdanUrr]

NeoNatica wrote...

I'm sure they left them open to quick travel from one system to another. I'm also guessing that they knew of Shepard's plans to fight the Reapers and were trying to stop him by invading systems and slowing his cause.

The Reapers don't need "quick." They're immortal, they have all the time in the galaxy.

[Pojingu]

I was asking myself this question even before the game was released since Shepard escapes the Sol system. Why didn't they close the relay to Sol and just take out of Earth and then move on?

I also wonder why they didn't close down the Sol relay after they moved the Citadel to Earth to prevent the Crucible to even make it there? They moved the Citadel because they feared the Crucible, but apparently they couldn't care less about using their oldest tactic of shutting down the relays which they have been doing for over a billion years, very strange.

[EHondaMashButton]

NeoNatica wrote...

I'm sure they left them open to quick travel from one system to another. I'm also guessing that they knew of Shepard's plans to fight the Reapers and were trying to stop him by invading systems and slowing his cause.

The reapers just walked all the way in from dark space.  And shutting the relays off would slow his cause way more than randomly invading systems. 

How would he recruit anyone, or even get back to the battle on earth if he's off somewhere in the perseus veil twiddling his thumbs while the relays are shut off?

[DiscoDarth]

For this purpose there should be a ritual. This is not a simple space magic.

[drak4806.2]

Plotholes and Speculation

[Indylavi]

It's just one of those things that never get answered. Vigil said that's what they did. Took control of the relays then isolated the systems to be harvested one by one. I suspect it's why the Protheans had to build the conduit on ilos. It was the only way for them to reach The Citadel

[Renegade133]

Considering how many races they had to contend with they might have left it open so they could fight on multiple fronts such as a attacking earth palaven and thessia and many other worlds at the same time

[drak4806.2]

Renegade133 wrote...

Considering how many races they had to contend with they might have left it open so they could fight on multiple fronts such as a attacking earth palaven and thessia and many other worlds at the same time

They could have shut down all of the Relays and then only opened the ones they needed to use. The Reapers only taking the Citadel at the end of the game is just poor writing.

[Cybernetic_Queen]

Well, the Mass Relay in the Citadel is nonfunctional. Avoiding ME3 spoilers, it's fair to say the Reapers never really took control of the Citadel (at least in the way Sovereign did in Mass Effect). If all Mass Relays eventually lead to the Citadel, it'd be likely that it's here that the Relays are able to be controlled. Also (considering a poster above gave details on the movement) the one thing I can think of is that the Reapers basically got cocky. The Relays gave them a quick way to fight an enemy that wasn't centralized (unlike the Prothean Empire focused on the Citadel, each races' true government was in a different sector).

Also, remember that Shepard destroyed the Relay in Arrival. It may be possible the Reapers feared being wiped out in a burst from a relay being destroyed and unable to leave the sector in time from the blast. Plot holes abound.

[Pojingu]

Renegade133 wrote...

Considering how many races they had to contend with they might have left it open so they could fight on multiple fronts such as a attacking earth palaven and thessia and many other worlds at the same time

Except that's completely against how they work. Why spread and thin out your forces over several systems when you can focus and completely destroy one system at the time? They've always concentrated on one system by isolating it and then moving on to the next.

Plus it would have taken everyone longer to notice the reapers if they had just focused on earth instead of attacking all planets at the same time, getting rid of one strong force and then take the others by surprise.

[Ekyri]

If they can shut them off they can turn them back on, it wouldn't hinder their ability to travel

It's a plot hole, but a needed one, because if they did shut it off, there wouldn't be much to the game, would there

[Honiahaka]

I was under the impression that the Relay Network was controlled by the Citadel. Although why the Reapers didn't start shutting them off when they seized control of the Citadel I don't know.

[chengthao]

the Reapers can't get "cocky" or arrogant, they're machines, they function like machines, they think like machines . . . closing the Relays makes the most sense, since you basically stop all reinforcements, they already outnumber all fleets, they're already more advanced than any species, take your time to destroy Earth/it's resistance, than move on the Turians or Krogan or Asari, or better yet, why not just take the Citadel since it seems to be the "key to everything"

it took the Reapers centuries to conquer the Protheans and one can assume there were other species who put up just as good a defense against the Reapers

the idea that machines can become "arrogant" is kinda a huge leap of logic

[TheMightyG00sh]

The reapers were used to lesser races. They underestimated just how close the Protheans came to destroying them and therefore didn't realise that the humans would have the knowledge, information or resources to build the Crucible. And even more so in their infinite god complex of wisdom they just thought that the Crucible work was an excercise in futility. Honestly Miranda said it best. Nobody's perfect... nobody.

[Cainne Chapel]

I guess the reason theyd idn't is the same reason why they decided to attack the galaxy wholesale instead of system by system.

Writers Fiat.

But honestly I dont know why they didn't it would of made sense... at least more sense than just heading STRAIGHT for earth or attacking all species at once.

But *shrug* what can ya do. This also explains how the normandy landed within sight of 3+ reapers and didn't get blasted out of the sky, or why they didn't even TRY to laser beam shepard as he escaped, etc.

[Cainne Chapel]

chengthao wrote...

the Reapers can't get "cocky" or arrogant, they're machines, they function like machines, they think like machines . . . closing the Relays makes the most sense, since you basically stop all reinforcements, they already outnumber all fleets, they're already more advanced than any species, take your time to destroy Earth/it's resistance, than move on the Turians or Krogan or Asari, or better yet, why not just take the Citadel since it seems to be the "key to everything"

it took the Reapers centuries to conquer the Protheans and one can assume there were other species who put up just as good a defense against the Reapers

the idea that machines can become "arrogant" is kinda a huge leap of logic

Well they sure sounded "arrogant" given Sovreign and Harbingers tones in ME1 and ME2.
and technically they're not "machines" theri bio-organic machines, since they're made out of organic and inorganic material.

In a sense their the "pinnacle of evolution".  In Cthulu-esque form

[Zalbik]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

Why didn't the reapers shut the mass relays down? Doesn't leaving the relays running defeat the point of cultivating our civilization to rely on them for transportion?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MIpsejZRq0#t=3m21s

Plot hole 364

[TheMightyG00sh]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I guess the reason theyd idn't is the same reason why they decided to attack the galaxy wholesale instead of system by system.

Writers Fiat.

But honestly I dont know why they didn't it would of made sense... at least more sense than just heading STRAIGHT for earth or attacking all species at once.

But *shrug* what can ya do. This also explains how the normandy landed within sight of 3+ reapers and didn't get blasted out of the sky, or why they didn't even TRY to laser beam shepard as he escaped, etc.

I said this before. Attacking say Thesia first and wiping out the Asari forces would just give nothing but a huge rallying cry out to EVERY OTHER RACE IN THE GALAXY. And there a crapload of species each with at least a decent fleet (Volus, Hannar, Drell, Elcor) to massive fleets (Turian, Alliance, Geth, Quarian). Whilst attacking each individual galaxy leaves the fleets in dismay unable to untie as each race is looking out for numero uno... except ofr humanity hwo are more ficoussed on uniting EVERY race.

This is simple strategy. Divide and Conquer.

[chengthao]

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

The reapers were used to lesser races. They underestimated just how close the Protheans came to destroying them and therefore didn't realise that the humans would have the knowledge, information or resources to build the Crucible. And even more so in their infinite god complex of wisdom they just thought that the Crucible work was an excercise in futility. Honestly Miranda said it best. Nobody's perfect... nobody.

just because they were used to "lesser species" doesn't mean they would've underestimated them, why spread your forces thin trying to take out multiple planets when you can concentrate on one and easily overwhelm it, the "bulk" of their forces seem to be on Earth and yet they were still able to overwhelm the Turian fleet with their "limited" forces

if it ain't broke, don't fix it . . . why all of a sudden change strategy? its worked for millions of years, who knows how many cycles, why change it for this cycle?

they're machines, they 're immortal, in the words of Aria T'Loak, "You have all the time in the world, Archangel (humans, turians, asari, etc), not so much"

this idea that machines can become arrogant and completely throw simple, basic logic out the window (shutting down the relays) is just TOO huge of a leap of logic

[Nordicus]

Honiahaka wrote...

I was under the impression that the Relay Network was controlled by the Citadel. Although why the Reapers didn't start shutting them off when they seized control of the Citadel I don't know.

This. Sovereign may have been a bit cocky but that doesn't excuse collective carelessness of this magnitude

[chengthao]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

chengthao wrote...

the Reapers can't get "cocky" or arrogant, they're machines, they function like machines, they think like machines . . . closing the Relays makes the most sense, since you basically stop all reinforcements, they already outnumber all fleets, they're already more advanced than any species, take your time to destroy Earth/it's resistance, than move on the Turians or Krogan or Asari, or better yet, why not just take the Citadel since it seems to be the "key to everything"

it took the Reapers centuries to conquer the Protheans and one can assume there were other species who put up just as good a defense against the Reapers

the idea that machines can become "arrogant" is kinda a huge leap of logic

Well they sure sounded "arrogant" given Sovreign and Harbingers tones in ME1 and ME2.
and technically they're not "machines" theri bio-organic machines, since they're made out of organic and inorganic material.

In a sense their the "pinnacle of evolution".  In Cthulu-esque form

yes they are part organic but they have the minds of machines . . . basically, they think like machines, they act like machines, they operate as machines

this idea they all of a sudden they become so arrogant that they allow the species to unite against them just makes no sense, they kno that Shepard is trying to unite the galaxy against them and yet they don't stop it, the simplest and easiest way to do it is by shutting down the relays

they know that Sovereign was destroyed, why give them a chance of destroying you?

why even give your opponents a chance of defeating you?