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[nevar00]

Well that was a beautiful post. Agreed 100%.


...Although personally I'd alter it to include everything from the moment I heard the Citadel was the Crucible and that it was suddenly moved to Earth. That last level itself was just one huge missed opportunity. Where was that army I spent all game building? Elcor the walking tanks, the Rachni, the Volus Dreadnought, etc... They weren't even in a cutscene, nevermind getting to fight alongside them. At the very least we should've been able to command them like the squad during the suicide mission.

And then the ending itself was just the icing on the cake.

If the cake is made from dog poo.

[MWard24]

I'm mward24 and this is my favorite thread on this forum.

[Verethele]

I can't remember if I have said how much I love the original post here yet... so I'm saying it now! I no longer feel the need to post my own thoughts. That pretty much covers it.

[twizbuck]

Can we have an AdmiralCheez/Marauder Shields banner?

[Syrin_]

Great, heartfelt post We're collecting open letters here and we'd love to have yours if you'd consider reposting.

Modifié par Syrin_, 29 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[ArkenRennatta]

Don't waste your breath.

[weltraumhamster89]

I salute you, OP.

Also this:

nevar00 said..
Well that was a beautiful post. Agreed 100%.


...Although
personally I'd alter it to include everything from the moment I heard
the Citadel was the Crucible and that it was suddenly moved to Earth.
That last level itself was just one huge missed opportunity. Where was
that army I spent all game building? Elcor the walking tanks, the
Rachni, the Volus Dreadnought, etc... They weren't even in a cutscene,
nevermind getting to fight alongside them. At the very least we
should've been able to command them like the squad during the suicide
mission.

And then the ending itself was just the icing on the cake.

If the cake is made from dog poo.

Modifié par weltraumhamster89, 29 mars 2012 - 11:38 .

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

You couldn't have said it any better my friend. Without Mass Effect, gaming has been an emotionless sinkhole with games like Gears and CoD. While I enjoy those games, the greatest video game franchise in history can't end like this.

[AdmiralCheez]

Syrin_ wrote...

Great, heartfelt post We're collecting open letters here and we'd love to have yours if you'd consider reposting.

I'm all for it!  Thanks!

[Razgriz9327]

wonderful post Admiral... Bioware, look at posts like this, not the negative ones. We love you guys... more than you know... We know that you were trying to blow us away by trying something that escaped cliche... We loved these games and this universe... we just want something worthy of the glorious masterpiece you created... not a mona lisa without a smile. You have every right to ignore these requests... but we hope you will take one more journey with us

[Celtic Latino]

I fully agree and support OP. Mass Effect has always.been THE GAME for me, and Im one of those who loved 99% of Mass Effect 3 till the ending. It doesnt change the fact I think Mass Effect 3 is phenomenal, but I do think that...ending...was just hard to bear. The scene with the stargazer was just flat out trolling. Not a way to end a trilogy, sorry. Not a way to potentially hint at future ME games either.

[Skyblade012]

For me as well, Mass Effect was a game that showed off the facets of gaming as a media and an art form. It is probably the single greatest epic of our generation. And the ending killed it.

[AdmiralCheez]

I just emailed this to Bioware.

Immediately, I am filled with regret.

[Aggie Punbot]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I just emailed this to Bioware.

Immediately, I am filled with regret.

Not cheese?

[locsphere]

That was exactly how I felt!!!

[QuarianHIV]

When one of your biggest suckups decides to stop sucking up to you, its time to wake up.

[afarkas1]

This thread is special because the outrage is delivered with a humility and pathos that make it impossible to dismiss. Too much of the ranting here is well thought out from a logical perspective, but carries the timbre of a spoiled child. That isn't going to be persuasive enough to convince talented people who have worked so hard to go back to the drawing board and admit they were wrong about something.

I can't express myself with the same eloquence, but I can echo the sentiment. Bioware, please do something to fix the ending to this story, so we can enjoy your work as wholly as is was meant to be enjoyed.

[pistolols]

Almostfaceman wrote...

pistolols wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

And hot damn, was it a galaxy worth saving.

See this is everyone's problem right here.  No, it wasn't a galaxy worth saving.  That's been the whole point since ME1.  Galactic civilization is one big lie.  It shouldn't even exist in such a form, at least not yet.  The various species are simply not ready for it evolutionary speaking.  The rachni wars, krogan rebellion and resulting genophage, first contact war, extreme biological testing and experiments on all fronts, these types of things are examples of exactly why the reset button needed to be hit.  Why the path of the reapers needed to be destroyed, and the relays obliterated, so civilization can begin again and develop on it's own.

You're missing the point. We're talking about why it's a fun IP to play, while you're going on about why it may or may not be a good idea to blow up relays. It was a fun universe to play a game in and imagine it was real. Nobody (slight hyperbole) was playing Mass Effect to reset the galactic civilizations, they were playing it to beat the Reapers and save Garrus or Tali or Wrex or whomever is their favorite squaddie's and their civilizations.

I was playing mass effect to experience a good story.  That's it.

What you people are doing is basically admitting that you're just depressed the game is over and that the universe you loved is gone.  It is a well known phenomenon.  When people saw the movie Avatar, a lot of people reported feeling suicidal after it was over.  I see what's going on here as being no different, except the effect is even worse in that it's akin to if Pandora exploded at the end of Avatar.  lol.

So while i'm sorry you guys' precious make-believe galaxy is gone, i personally feel Shepard's story was pretty freaking epic and what happened to the rest of the make-believe species is irrelevant.  And honestly i don't see how it ever mattered.  Think back to ME2.  If one of your squad died during suicide mission.. that was it.  They just dropped dead.  There was no closure, no funeral scene back on their home planet, they were just dead and shepard stares at their casket at the end.  Sure, jungle planet scene could have been something a little better or more developed, but at the same time i don't see the precedent for why people were expecting anything different.

[whoisthis98]

my hats off to the op

[Timberley]

Excellent post Cheez, I was wondering where you'd gone in the immediate blow up following the release of the game!

pistolols wrote...

I was playing mass effect to experience a good story.  That's it.

What you people are doing is basically admitting that you're just depressed the game is over and that the universe you loved is gone.  It is a well known phenomenon.  When people saw the movie Avatar, a lot of people reported feeling suicidal after it was over.  I see what's going on here as being no different, except the effect is even worse in that it's akin to if Pandora exploded at the end of Avatar.  lol.

So while i'm sorry you guys' precious make-believe galaxy is gone, i personally feel Shepard's story was pretty freaking epic and what happened to the rest of the make-believe species is irrelevant.  And honestly i don't see how it ever mattered.  Think back to ME2.  If one of your squad died during suicide mission.. that was it.  They just dropped dead.  There was no closure, no funeral scene back on their home planet, they were just dead and shepard stares at their casket at the end.  Sure, jungle planet scene could have been something a little better or more developed, but at the same time i don't see the precedent for why people were expecting anything different.

I also played Mass Effect to experience a good story, and I got one for 95% of the time.

I agree, Shepard's story was epic, mostly, and as such the precedent was set with previous epics, though they are usually confined to passive mediums, such as books and films.  To look closer at what is expected of an epic, have a read of Joseph Campbell's 'Hero With A Thousand Faces'.  To go into tropes territory, the ending for ME3 is pretty much 'Failure Is The Only Option'.  Which does work, to an extent.  But, most people weren't expecting it, as the games have shown that the odds can be beaten, so why must it be so different now?

And you may consider what happened to everyone else irrelevent, but that's your opinion, in the same way that it is my opinion that it is not irrelevent.  Sure the series has ended, and so why would we care?  That's due to the strength (mostly) of the writing, coupled with our active capability to shape, to a degree, the galaxy. 

If a squadmate died in ME2, the closure was in the fact that Shepard stares at their casket, and it is the player who projects their idea as to what thoughts and emotions are running through Shepard's mind at that point.  Personally, I never had that, as I ensured that I had everyone at the peak of their abilities before I did the Suicide Mission.  After all, as I have learned in real life, you cannot expect the best out of people if their mind is on other things.

To consider an earlier post you made, why do you say the species weren't ready for galactic civilisation?  What, to you, would constitute being ready?

Tim

Modifié par Timberley, 30 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[pistolols]

Timberley wrote...

the closure was in the fact that Shepard stares at their casket,

If Shepard staring at a casket for 3 seconds is closure, then so is joker staring at some moons smiling because the war is over.  You see what i'm trying to say here about precedent?

Timberley wrote...

To consider an earlier post you made, why do you say the species weren't ready for galactic civilisation?  What, to you, would constitute being ready?

I have no idea what would constitute being ready for galactic inter-species mingling.  There are no examples to pull from.  Just look at earth.  Multiculturalism is something that barely even works!  In some places, it doesn't work at all!  Just look at Israel and Palistine.  Would love to see what Commander Shepard would do about that one! 

I know they are not ready because the game has shown me so.  We're given countless examples of which some i listed.  Altering the genetic code of an entire race, for example, is some pretty crazy ****.  And ultimately it only happened because of the relays ability to link species together that otherwise may have never even met each other.  At least not for a much, much longer time... when perhaps evolutionary maturity would have reached a point that we probably cannot even conceptualize yet.

[Council]

Hold the line!

[xcomcmdr]

Well said.

[BentOrgy]

You've been nothing but a treasure (And measure of sanity.) to these boards ever since you got here, Cheez, and this is a perfect example of why.

While I found ME3's narrative to be incredibly bland, shallow, and streamlined, its always nice to see that someone loved the series for the same reasons I did; I easily could have written those first paragraphs myself.