Cheez's biggest, mightiest, and possibly last epic rant. Devs, my darlings, read!

#676
rivqa

Posté 01 avril 2012 - 11:46

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

I just emailed this to Bioware.

Immediately, I am filled with regret.

Why regret???

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#677
CJMissen

Posté 01 avril 2012 - 11:57

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Amen Reverend

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#678
Evenjelith

Posté 01 avril 2012 - 12:24

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Well said Cheez

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#679
Joccaren

Posté 01 avril 2012 - 01:03

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RiouHotaru wrote...

While I completely understand your "There was no chance to challenge the Reapers face to face and prove to them that they were wrong, that we were stronger than they thought, that we were worth more than they gave us credit for." part, there's one HUGE problem with this.

The game pounds it into your head over and over and OVER again:

The Reapers CANNOT in any circumstance be defeated via conventional warfare. Standard rules of engagement and strategies do NOT apply.

How do you "prove you were stronger", when the means to do that won't work?

This argument NEVER makes sense.
The Rachni were extinct. They didn't exist. Finding one was impossible.
You found a queen, and gained the location of the Mu Relay - an impossible to find Relay - and stopped a Reaper invasion - that right from the Intro you were told was impossible to stop - all through willpower and awesomeness.
You made it through the Omega IV relay - which was impossible - and defeated the collectors - a suicide mission - and killed a Reaper ON FOOT - something that can't even be comprehended how impossible that is - and made it out with your whole team intact - a F***ing Miracle.
What the SERIES pounds into your head over and over again is that the impossible can be overcome if we all work together.
It is established that the Reaper's main weapon is surprise. Burst through the Citadel and destroy galactic society in one attack. They've never had to actually fight a combined fleet of over 10,000 ships before, and considering 4 of those ships can take down one Reaper - using conventional weapons, and not Thanix class weaponry [Which the majority of ships are now equipped with] - the Reapers would need 2500 of them in that battle to even stand a chance. Even then, taking down one enemy ship only reduces the overall fleet firepower of the Galaxy by a small amount. Taking down one Reaper removes a far more significant amount of their firepower. Then their's the Crucible. Firing that could take them all out easily. What most people seem to forget is that it didn't HAVE to be a diablous ex machina. It could have actually been a superweapon that effectively wiped out the Reapers, as opposed to something that offered you three ways to kill yourself, with a different fireworks display for each.
We don't care if we need 8K EMS. We'll get it. We don't care if we need to have made every single decision in the series specifically to be able to get this ending - we'll do it. We don't care if its so hard to do that we die during it, as does the entire Normandy crew - we'll accept it. But we WILL beat the Reapers, not give in to their 'solutions'.
And hell, that would be a bittersweet ending done right: The Death of all the Normandy Crew whilst fighint the Reapers. Watching everyone you love die in the fight, whilst trying to protect the Catalyst until it fires. It would work. There would be a reasonable reason for their and your death's, there would be closure for them, it would be heartwrenching. As is, we are forced to die and send our crew to an alien planet where they will likely die by a diabolus ex machina. There is no reason Shepard needs to die in Destroy, Control or Synthesis. Those options could have easily been carried out by the Crucible itself. Instead though, it is written in the Shepard must die in all of these. There is no reason for the Realys to blow, its just there to wipe the slate clean. There is no reason for the Normandy to get stranded, its just :wizard:

. If there were legitimate reasons for all of this - Shepard died fighting, not sacrificed himself for no reason, the Relays were detonated by the fleets as a non-conventional way to kill the Reapers in each system, and the Normandy was shot down by a Reaper during a fight, or caught in a blast from one of the Relays as it stayed behind to ensure the Asteroid or W/E hit the Relay - that would be fine. We would feel hurt by the deaths of our comrades, and ourselves, not confused about it. It would be the sacrifice many talk about, but not forced. If it truly is impossible to stop the Reapers, we should at least be able to try, and get an appropriately sad an emotional ending, not these disconnected endings we have ATM.

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#680
ed87

Posté 01 avril 2012 - 01:36

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I like how i rarely need to voice my opinion about ME3 anymore as someone will always step in and say it all!

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#681
ed87

Posté 01 avril 2012 - 01:39

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Joccaren wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

While I completely understand your "There was no chance to challenge the Reapers face to face and prove to them that they were wrong, that we were stronger than they thought, that we were worth more than they gave us credit for." part, there's one HUGE problem with this.

The game pounds it into your head over and over and OVER again:

The Reapers CANNOT in any circumstance be defeated via conventional warfare. Standard rules of engagement and strategies do NOT apply.

How do you "prove you were stronger", when the means to do that won't work?
This argument NEVER makes sense.
The Rachni were extinct. They didn't exist. Finding one was impossible.
You found a queen, and gained the location of the Mu Relay - an impossible to find Relay - and stopped a Reaper invasion - that right from the Intro you were told was impossible to stop - all through willpower and awesomeness.
You made it through the Omega IV relay - which was impossible - and defeated the collectors - a suicide mission - and killed a Reaper ON FOOT - something that can't even be comprehended how impossible that is - and made it out with your whole team intact - a F***ing Miracle.
What the SERIES pounds into your head over and over again is that the impossible can be overcome if we all work together.
It is established that the Reaper's main weapon is surprise. Burst through the Citadel and destroy galactic society in one attack. They've never had to actually fight a combined fleet of over 10,000 ships before, and considering 4 of those ships can take down one Reaper - using conventional weapons, and not Thanix class weaponry [Which the majority of ships are now equipped with] - the Reapers would need 2500 of them in that battle to even stand a chance. Even then, taking down one enemy ship only reduces the overall fleet firepower of the Galaxy by a small amount. Taking down one Reaper removes a far more significant amount of their firepower. Then their's the Crucible. Firing that could take them all out easily. What most people seem to forget is that it didn't HAVE to be a diablous ex machina. It could have actually been a superweapon that effectively wiped out the Reapers, as opposed to something that offered you three ways to kill yourself, with a different fireworks display for each.
We don't care if we need 8K EMS. We'll get it. We don't care if we need to have made every single decision in the series specifically to be able to get this ending - we'll do it. We don't care if its so hard to do that we die during it, as does the entire Normandy crew - we'll accept it. But we WILL beat the Reapers, not give in to their 'solutions'.
And hell, that would be a bittersweet ending done right: The Death of all the Normandy Crew whilst fighint the Reapers. Watching everyone you love die in the fight, whilst trying to protect the Catalyst until it fires. It would work. There would be a reasonable reason for their and your death's, there would be closure for them, it would be heartwrenching. As is, we are forced to die and send our crew to an alien planet where they will likely die by a diabolus ex machina. There is no reason Shepard needs to die in Destroy, Control or Synthesis. Those options could have easily been carried out by the Crucible itself. Instead though, it is written in the Shepard must die in all of these. There is no reason for the Realys to blow, its just there to wipe the slate clean. There is no reason for the Normandy to get stranded, its just . If there were legitimate reasons for all of this - Shepard died fighting, not sacrificed himself for no reason, the Relays were detonated by the fleets as a non-conventional way to kill the Reapers in each system, and the Normandy was shot down by a Reaper during a fight, or caught in a blast from one of the Relays as it stayed behind to ensure the Asteroid or W/E hit the Relay - that would be fine. We would feel hurt by the deaths of our comrades, and ourselves, not confused about it. It would be the sacrifice many talk about, but not forced. If it truly is impossible to stop the Reapers, we should at least be able to try, and get an appropriately sad an emotional ending, not these disconnected endings we have ATM.