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[KazenoKoe]

Adding +1 to the count.Preach it brother!

[EagleScoutDJB]

AlanC9 wrote...

As usual, a Cheez post is well worth reading.

One thing I disagree with here is about the Relays. I think the ME universe is a lot more interesting with them blown up. After that, if you want to get from Earth to Thessia and see how they're doing, you've got to work for it. Explore star systems. Find places to discharge your drive charge.

Academic unless there's a sequel, of course.

Yes work for it and travel for 22 years if I remember correctly.  With out the Relays the only way you can make a sequel is if it jumps far enough ahead in time that we could build our own Releys.

[Welsh Inferno]

Fantastic post(as usual) Cheez. I could not agree more. To let this series die like this would be an absolute travesty. I, like you have probably spent way too much of my time over the past 2 years experiencing/nerding it up in this universe. Loved. Every. Second. Of. It. Until that...

I hope those at BioWare give this a read.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 27 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[Random Geth]

Cheez has done a great job saying what all of us who dislike the ending are thinking. We hate it because we KNOW you're better than this. We KNOW you're more talented, more intelligent, and more creative than this; the rest of the game proves that.

[Bekkael]

KazenoKoe wrote...

Adding +1 to the count.Preach it brother sister!

Fixed that for you. Cheez is a she.

[CaptainOrgia]

Beautifully written. A+

[AdmiralCheez]

AlanC9 wrote...

As usual, a Cheez post is well worth reading.

Thanks!

One thing I disagree with here is about the Relays. I think the ME universe is a lot more interesting with them blown up. After that, if you want to get from Earth to Thessia and see how they're doing, you've got to work for it. Explore star systems. Find places to discharge your drive charge.

Yeah, it's interesting, but it kind of nullifies the whole "unite the galaxy and reclaim the homeworlds" thing ME3 has going.

Plus, you know, Arrival.  Supernovas bad.  Gamma rays bad.  Radioactive bombardment bad.

Now, if the Relays COULD blow up if you didn't have enough "Crucible" assets?  That'd be cool, and it would have made things interesting if at some point in time you had to choose between beefing up the Crucible or beefing up the "Sword."

Academic unless there's a sequel, of course.

Trust me, this cash cow will be milked 'til she's good and dead, then they'll divvy her up into hamburger meat and cheap leather.

Oh!  And you know what I forgot to mention?  The foreshadowing in ME1/2/3 that went ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE.  It's like Armistan Banes is back, but with an army.

[Azorgamer]

Bioware, please read what the OP said and take that to heart. The OP said exactly what I feel and a lot of people feel the same way. I know that maybe you want to think we are all whiny jerks but we just want ME3, no, not just ME3 - the whole ME series to have the end it deserves and it deserves an epic and awesome ending.

When the OP says, "But ME3’s ending… Well, it sucks. I know there was a purpose behind it, but your big artistic plan, whatever it was, either was too poorly executed or too ill-suited for your franchise that it just didn’t work. I’m sorry. I’m sure the concept was wonderful, groundbreaking even, but it just didn’t come across that way. Whatever intentions you may have had are now irrelevant. The ending is sloppy, cheap, and a violation of everything Mass Effect stands for."

Believe me, I honestly believe you thought this ending was the epic ending that the ME series deserves, but it's not, and I wish I could say it is but I'm sorry it just is not the ending this series deserves.

And that's why I hope you can look at this and say, "You know, the fans are right." Because I know what you want to say is, "You're wrong, you don't know what you are talking about - this is the perfect epic ending and you just don't understand it." But that's the problem, as amazing as the ME universe is with all it's history and mythology - we - the fans, have always understood it. You made a mythology which was both amazingly detailed but also easy to understand. The ending, is strangely simple and not easy to understand at all.

Shepard's belief in this murderous Starchild, the Normandy crash, and the future of all the races. All this is left in confusion and that's not the ending. If this was the second game in the series or even the first - it makes sense to leave us with tons of questions to be answered but not at the end of a trilogy. The end gives us closure, and understanding. Even if there is an ME4 - Shepard's story is done, we still deserve closure and understanding.

So, in closing, please read the OP's amazing "rant" and see it for what it is - the truth. Not whining, not complaining, and not confusion - the OP is speaking the truth and if you listen and give us a real ending to this story you will see that Mass Effect will go down as one of the greatest trilogies of all time...otherwise, I honestly worry that it will be remembered as the trilogy with the ending that left the majority of it's players in utter confusion and disappointment. The OP, doesn't want that, I don't want that and none of your fans want that - we all want it to go down as one of the greatest trilogies in gaming history - so please believe us and give us and yourselves the ending ME deserves.

[HeliusCarthaxis]

 Agreed. Well put, admiral! *salutes*

[AdmiralCheez]

CaptainOrgia wrote...

Beautifully written. A+

Nah, I could revise it in places.  Gets a little choppy towards the end.

But hell, sleep-deprived internet rant.  Screw it.

[alx119]

Heh OP... It's interesting because that's pretty much my whole experience with Mass Effect. I started with 1, before even knowing there was a two, and hell I have no shame in admitting I PIRATED the first game because, well, I did not know anything about it. Nobody talked me about it, I just saw it one day and I thought hey why not, looks good and sounds good. When I tried it, the first thing I did was uninstall it, and buy it on Steam (it was very affordable, and even if it wasn't I would have anyways.), and that has only happened only with another game, Fallout 3. Literally fell in love with it and had to buy it inmediately. So after finally getting my copy of it, I had to finish it and boy, I fell for the world hard. My friends didn't even know where the heck I was because I took like three days playing SOLELY the game. Fun times. And then when I finished ME2, oh boy, another three days of pure gaming. And then ME3 came, and god another three days haha... Except... with a last sour note, that well, went the same road as yours as I see.

Bit of depressing, but yeah, we need to keep the hopes up!

[Random Geth]

And just a short addendum: Please, please, PLEASE do not interpret this as "See, they want a happy ending" somehow. We're fine with bittersweet, we're fine with gut-wrenching mixed with successful (one character in particular embodies that in ME3). We just want an ending that is coherent and doesn't feel like a betrayal of everything in the series until that point.

[davidshooter]

AdmiralCheez wrote... It's like Armistan Banes is back, but with an army.

Good one,

[lazuli]

Agreed, Cheez. My affection for the Mass Effect universe was dealt a heavy blow by that ending. Just... ouch.

[Arch1eviathan]

This thread inspires me.

[EagleScoutDJB]

Random Geth wrote...

And just a short addendum: Please, please, PLEASE do not interpret this as "See, they want a happy ending" somehow. We're fine with bittersweet, we're fine with gut-wrenching mixed with successful (one character in particular embodies that in ME3). We just want an ending that is coherent and doesn't feel like a betrayal of everything in the series until that point.

I do want at least one happy ending, I also want it to be damn hard to get.  I want it to factor in every major choice you've made since the first game, get one or two wrong and you don't have the assets you need to save the day.  No happy ending in a series about doing the impossible would feel like a betrayal to me.

[therussianviking]

Cheez, this post made you the Destiny Ascension of the retake ME3 movement. Elegant, yet vastly powerful, you symbolize everything we fight for. Well done.

[daftPirate]

Well said Cheez. I'd go Corsair for that.

[Alien1099]

Dev response to this thread - "Some spam removed."

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I just skimmed through it looking for their response. Kind of as much of a let down as the endings were.

[Ruthac_Arus]

I heartily agree with the good Admiral's epic rant. I put a lot of myself into Mass Effect. A *lot* of myself. And up until the last 5-10 minutes, it was totally worth it. Completely and utterly. Followed by...hollowness. It's a very sad state of things to end the trilogy this way.

squee913 wrote...

I just beat ME3 last night. Let's put it this way:

My Let's Play will end before the last 10 minutes. I hope one day you will fix this and I can finish the LP. But I refuse to end my Shep and Combat drone jack in this way.

Please fix this.

Hey, it's Squee! I love your Mass Effect Let's Plays! Glad to hear you're holding off on uploading the "finale" until such a as time this debacle is sufficiently dealt with. Shepard, Tali, Jack, your shiny new turret, and (the strangely absent) Chiktikka don't deserve a sendoff like that.

[Darth_Ravor]

squee913 wrote...

You have no idea how sad it is that I feel the same way. I have as much love for Mass Effect as anyone. I have Let's Played 1 and 2 more than once (one of them was more work then you could imagine since I had different guests from all over the globe calling the shots every 2 hours just to see how it all turned out) I anaylized every part of the story as I carefully explained how... Mistaken Smudboy was. It was all worth it because of the love I had for the game, and more importantly, because the story was good enough to defend.

I just beat ME3 last night. Let's put it this way:

My Let's Play will end before the last 10 minutes. I hope one day you will fix this and I can finish the LP. But I refuse to end my Shep and Combat drone jack in this way.

Oh and remember the Mass Effect LP I have spent so much time and effort getting all the different guest to add their part to Shepard? You made it all but worthless. All that will matter is what the last guest thinks is their favorite color. Please fix this.

wow squee, you're the biggest, most mass effect fan I've ever met on the internet or in person. To hear you say this....Bioware done goofed.

[Welsh Inferno]

Alien1099 wrote...

Dev response to this thread - "Some spam removed."

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I just skimmed through it looking for their response. Kind of as much of a let down as the endings were.

Its really unlikely a dev will respond to this imo. I just hope that a few of them read it. 

[Golden Owl]

Thank you Cheez...as usual you have so eloquently stated what so many of us are feeling....SUPPORT CHEEZ!!!

[slimgrin]

Cheeze, that sucked....just kidding. Had to throw that in with everyone being all smarmy.

I more or less feel the same way, but one thing really struck through the game as a whole: Bioware is very overrated in the writing department, and I felt as the game drew to a close that I've outgrown the series. By that I mean their attempts at drama, the way they handle c&c, the types of characters they like to write. Just not my thing anymore.

Modifié par slimgrin, 27 mars 2012 - 12:56 .