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[Sylrien]

You know, I kind of hope that there is no DA 2 because for some reason, I'm really invested in the story of my various wardens, and I'm hyped up for the expansion because it means that their story is continuing, and the overall storyline is continuing. I'd hate to have all that effort and world and whatever scrapped for another game with another storyline set up with another character who is special for whatever reason. I've kind of grown attached to the stories that have been created with my various warden characters.

Or something. Does that make sense?

Edited for clarity. >.>

Modifié par Sylrien, 13 janvier 2010 - 05:26 .

[RangerSG]

Sylrien wrote...

You know, I kind of hope that there is no DA 2 because for some reason, I'm really invested in the story of my various wardens, and I'm hyped up for the expansion because it means that their story is continuing, and the overall storyline is continuing. I'd have to have all that effort and world and whatever scrapped for another game with another storyline set up with another character who is special for whatever reason.

Or something. Does that make sense?

Umm...no, it really doesn't. I'm sorry. The sequel would be set in another place in the world. It wouldn't demean what you've done. And your PC's impact on the world would still be felt through the lore and such. Heck, just the fact the world isn't mired in a Blight tells you that your PC made a difference.

So you'd rather see the entire setting scrapped and everything you did rendered moot for another game?  Nope, I can't say I buy that.

[Sylrien]

Oh, I meant to say *I'd hate to have all that effort and world and whatever scrapped for another game with another storyline set with another character who is special for whatever reason in the same world. My fingers, they are tricky.

[Dick Delaware]

MAdman1979 wrote...

Every gameworld needs a starting place. Ferelden is a good place to start in Theadas.
Just having the other lands mentioned is like a teaser. I'm sure we'll get to the
other lands eventually. I've heard Orlais mentioned for Awakening i.e. Orlais Commander
class.

That's valid. An ersatz Britain with a lot of different touches to it draws you into a familiar world, with enough different things to keep you interested.

What I don't get is why some people are content to see a sequel that trudges through terrain that's already been covered. I'm sure that BioWare won't do something this boneheaded, but I have no idea why some people would want to do more of the same when there's a whole world out there that's barely been mentioned.

For example, the whole philosophical aspect of the Qunari intrigues the hell out of me, and I really want to get an inside view of what their society is like. I loved the conversations you have with Sten about the transient nature of happiness and how it's somewhat an illusion in Ferelden, because few people are truly happy and accepting of who they are. You get an idea of what they're like with Sten, but it's still a somewhat private thing for him, and it's not as visceral as actual experiencing their culture for yourself. They're like some sort of bizarre mash-up of Zen Buddhism, Greek Stoicism, and Ancient Sparta. More importantly, what do their women look like? Hot, bronze-skinned Amazons ftw.

[RetrOldSchool]

hero 2 wrote...

Of course there is! Dragon Age is another great Bioware game. BUT...

We all know how it's going to be. The game is released, any downloadable content is released, the game gets dusted under the rug, the DLC stops coming. Two or three years down the line we get a completely new engine and a huge new game.

I wonder if there's any point building the next game from the ground up except for an excuse to justify a higher pricetag?

Why not make the sequel to Dragon Age just a huge expansion pack for the original game? If you had to pay the same amount again, and it was just a DLC expansion (with the same size campaign as the original game, however) would this put you off buying DA2?

I think that BW will probably put out more DLC for a year or more, considering the expansion is out in march and they've stated that they'll put out more DLC after that.

In time, in 2-3 years, DA:O will be very "old" in terms of graphics, so releasing DA2 in 3 years as an expansion would probably put off a great deal of players. Also it would mean that they'd be somewhat limited comparing to making a new game.

I do hope we get more DLC after DA:O:A, but I think DA2 will be a "real" sequel.

[Tandemir]

This has me worried... I really hope the DLC sells well. According to an article approx. 15% of console users buy DLC. And VGchartz has DA:O at about 1.5 million copies sold for the two consoles. In a Bioware post they mentioned that 'some' publishers sell the original game cheap and use DLC for long term profit, and I think the poster was referring to DA:O. I have a feeling that DA:O DLC sells at a higher fraction then 15%, which doesn't include the PC sales

I've been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate and probably will continue to do so, but after the way respresentatives of Bioware has been treating people on these message boards regarding Return to Ostagar, I have no intention of ever buying any more downloadable content. If you check my posts, you'll see that I hardly ever, if at all say anything, but if my decision (and maybe the decision of others?) affects the money they'd need towards DA2 we might not see it at all.



I usually keep my mouth shut in such things but some of the Devs have a sever lack of PR skills and to me that speaks volumes about the direction Bioware is heading. You can be sure that the way they handle things from this point on will affect my purchasing decisions...

[andcus]

I would really like a Dragon Age 2. Dreaming about the day i get to see the Chantry in Val Royeaux



But the problem is that there are just to many different outcomes, like who gets to rule Ferelden, the fate of the different races etc.

[morriganfan1]

they clearly need to provide closure for the dark ritual thing. aT least as expansion pack if not a full blown sequel. Besides the ceo of bioware has pretty much already stated there will be a sequel,

[SheffSteel]

For me the model that works best is that of Rock Band.



Bear with me here.



If you buy Rock Band 1 and 2, you can download the songs from 1 and play them on 2. This adds enormously to the value of both products, encouraging sales of both. You can also download individual songs and play them with either game. If you think of adventures or campaigns as being broadly equivalent to songs, then the same thing is theoretically possible. As long as the new game can read the old content, you can add some new features, iron out some of the kinks in the original game, and rake in the money.

[J.O.G]

Making a true sequel would be complicated, unless you ignore all the things done in part 1

I'm not interested in the Expansion. DA:O, like most games I've played, ultimately was the tale of one certain character. This char thinks she's done her part, and travels the world now, accompanied by Leliana, Rabbit and Schmooples. She feels no obligation to the Grey Wardens, and unless a certain decision she made will cause new problems in the future, this is the end.

As a player I'm not interested in fighting more plague-orcs, especially not in a high level campaign, so no new character either. I hope DA 2 forgets about the darkspawn and introduces new problems for a new generation (Qunari Invasion?). The Blight v2.0 would be a waste of a nice game world and rule system.

Modifié par J.O.G, 13 janvier 2010 - 03:50 .

[Azimuth0001]

There will be a part 2 to this game, guaranteed. EA loves money, and this game is a cash cow. I don't even think BW has a say in it. They make part 2 or they become part of EA Sports. EA has no problem dissolving a DEV house and they've actually gotten quite proficient at it over the years.

Just to restate, no blockbuster game that EA has had in the last 10 years went without a squeal, and DA will not be an exception.  If BW won't (or can't) do it, then another development house owned by EA will.

Modifié par Azimuth0001, 13 janvier 2010 - 03:58 .

[EJ42]

J.O.G wrote...

Making a true sequel would be complicated, unless you ignore all the things done in part 1

I'm not interested in the Expansion. DA:O, like most games I've played, ultimately was the tale of one certain character. This char thinks she's done her part, and travels the world now, accompanied by Leliana, Rabbit and Schmooples. She feels no obligation to the Grey Wardens, and unless a certain decision she made will cause new problems in the future, this is the end.

As a player I'm not interested in fighting more plague-orcs, especially not in a high level campaign, so no new character either. I hope DA 2 forgets about the darkspawn and introduces new problems for a new generation (Qunari Invasion?). The Blight v2.0 would be a waste of a nice game world and rule system.

The problem with your take on the expansion is that, during your travels, you bump into the new horde of darkspawn.

You may not be interested in dealing with that, but your characters cannot escape it.

The expansion will directly continue the currently storyline with your existing character.  I'm sure it will work to tie up several other loose ends as well.

[EJ42]

That was strange.  I only clicked the button once...

Modifié par EJ42, 13 janvier 2010 - 07:03 .

[EJ42]

See above.

Modifié par EJ42, 13 janvier 2010 - 07:04 .

[J.O.G]

You are the Grey Warden Commander and have been entrusted with the duty of rebuilding the order of Grey Wardens and uncovering the secrets of the darkspawn and how they managed to remain.

Besides that *I* am a nerd, sitting in front of a computer, my "ultimate character" has no interest in being a Grey Warden Commander, she no longer holds them a grudge, but she did her job, she did it well, and that's it. A certain spoilerous decision gave her her freedom without the GWs loosing anything. Should there be consequences for that decision she will take care of it, as the person who would cause those consequences knows very well.

[EJ42]

J.O.G wrote...

You are the Grey Warden Commander and have been entrusted with the duty of rebuilding the order of Grey Wardens and uncovering the secrets of the darkspawn and how they managed to remain.

Besides that *I* am a nerd, sitting in front of a computer, my "ultimate character" has no interest in being a Grey Warden Commander, she no longer holds them a grudge, but she did her job, she did it well, and that's it. A certain spoilerous decision gave her her freedom without the GWs loosing anything. Should there be consequences for that decision she will take care of it, as the person who would cause those consequences knows very well.

Unfortunately, that's not what really happened.  You just dreamed all of that.  Just like dreaming that you died at the end of the game...

If you want to commit suicide, and consider it final, then you'll never be able to play another game by Bioware ever again...because your character in that universe is dead.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Tandemir wrote...

I usually keep my mouth shut in such things but some of the Devs have a sever lack of PR skills and to me that speaks volumes about the direction Bioware is heading.

That seems like good news, to me.

From the point of view of the consumer, PR is a waste of money.  PR attracts new buyers, but it has no effect at all on people who had already decided to buy the product.  So if they're not spending time and money in PR, I can only see that as a good thing.

It might not be the best business decision, but they know their business better than I do, so I can't judge that.  What I know is that PR brings me no value at all, so I'd like it to drain BioWare's resources as little as possible.

[AlmondBrown]

Take thes
Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaaland replace those hit Titles with a similair set within the "Dragon Age Realm" over whatever time line BioWare sees fit and all will be right with the world again.

Modifié par AlmondBrown, 13 janvier 2010 - 07:43 .

[J.O.G]

EJ42 wrote...
Unfortunately, that's not what really happened.  You just dreamed all of that.  Just like dreaming that you died at the end of the game...

If you want to commit suicide, and consider it final, then you'll never be able to play another game by Bioware ever again...because your character in that universe is dead.

Not sure what you're getting at, and no Spoilers here, but there is a spoilerous alternative to spoilering.

Anyway, *I* have no avatar in that world, *I* just contributed my part to an interactive story told by Bioware and *me*. The protagonist of that story left by ship two days after the endgame party.

If you make a game with various endings, catering to only one of them is a bad idea for an expansion, if that expansion intends to continue the story. I'm fine with the tale as a whole being continued with a new character, but I think I'll pass on this one, as the invasion of plague orcs is charming only for so long.

We're talking about Dragon Age 2 though, and my point stands: For all I care, let the planet be invaded by the Reapers; just don't bring forth the next Archdemon.

Modifié par J.O.G, 13 janvier 2010 - 08:02 .

[EJ42]

J.O.G wrote...

EJ42 wrote...
Unfortunately, that's not what really happened.  You just dreamed all of that.  Just like dreaming that you died at the end of the game...

If you want to commit suicide, and consider it final, then you'll never be able to play another game by Bioware ever again...because your character in that universe is dead.

Not sure what you're getting at, and no Spoilers here, but there is a spoilerous alternative to spoilering.

Anyway, *I* have no avatar in that world, *I* just contributed my part to an interactive story told by Bioware and *me*. The protagonist of that story left by ship two days after the endgame party.

If you make a game with various endings, catering to only one of them is a bad idea for an expansion, if that expansion intends to continue the story. I'm fine with the tale as a whole being continued with a new character, but I think I'll pass on this one, as the invasion of plague orcs is charming only for so long.

We're talking about Dragon Age 2 though, and my point stands: For all I care, let the planet be invaded by the Reapers; just don't bring forth the next Archdemon.

I'm pretty sure any "sequel" for Dragon Age would most likely be set in the distant future, and revolve around the next archdemon to awaken.

Still, I was just responding to your comment about the expansion.  It is based on your character being in a position to pick up, in the expansion, where you left off.

The point is that you can decide for yourself what happens to your character.  If you choose to believe that your character is permanently dead the first time he/she falls in combat, then that's your right.  In the end, though, Bioware is driving the main story.  You can choose to ignore it, though.  I'm still on the fence about the expansion, depending on how they treat a certain loose end.

[BlueEyes_Austin]

Does anyone seriously doubt that DA2 isn't already under development at Bioware???

[CID-78]

it's probably on the drawing board, i doubt it's actually developing on it. well except perhaps a few writters and concept artists. (no code in progress)

[Cr4sh Dummy]

I would love to see a sequel. The world is extensive enough to warrant a sequel and have a substantial story.