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[Tazzmission]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Japan is a completely different culture.

The way they think is alien to us.

and yet there opinions do in fact matter

[vigna]

metal Gear Solid and Grandia came from Japan...all is right with the world... Also the only VG soundtrack I enjoyed more than Bioware's stuff......

Modifié par vigna, 27 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Quietness]

That thing is ok but its not to live and die by for sales totals. Also if memory serves it does not account for Digital Distribution.

[someguy1231]

The previous ME games didn't do well in Japan either. Frankly, Western games in general don't do well there. They get cult followings at best, similar to what some Japanese games get among Western gamers (Earthbound, for example). We shouldn't try and use these statistics to support our views, because Japan wouldn't have taken a liking to this game anyway.

As for whether they would've liked the ending better, I doubt it. The original Evangelion ending was about as loathed among fans as ME3's ending is around here.

[WhiteVV1ings]

Not surprising that ME3 did not sale big in Japan.

[refuse81]

They should've had Kai Leng as poster boy in Japan. Profit.

[zarnk567]

someguy1231 wrote...

The previous ME games didn't do well in Japan either. Frankly, Western games in general don't do well there. They get cult followings at best, similar to what some Japanese games get among Western gamers (Earthbound, for example). We shouldn't try and use these statistics to support our views, because Japan wouldn't have taken a liking to this game anyway.

As for whether they would've liked the ending better, I doubt it. The original Evangelion ending was about as loathed among fans as ME3's ending is around here.

Yea, The Evangelion original ending was not well recieved in Japan...... The creator got so many death threats, he changed the ending with a movie. To be fair from what i saw of it, it was just that bad.

Modifié par zarnk567, 27 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[DomiroXZ]

'Beware the nonconformist'.

[liggy002]

If you are a Final Fantasy Fan, XIII-2 is a great game. I have yet to finish it but that demonstrates a company that listens to their fanbase. They made the game more open ended with an element of time travel. It is a massive improvement over Final Fantasy XIII, which did have a decent story but was very linear. I'm hoping that Bioware does the same and takes their fan feedback into account.

Square Enix is taking the DLC route as well.  For the first time ever, they are making DLC part of a Final Fantasy game.  I hate to say it, but the DLC madness is something that is spreading across the whole of the game industry.  At least the corporate game industry.

Modifié par liggy002, 27 mars 2012 - 10:17 .

[The Real Bowser]

The Smitchens wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

This, while not a one size fits all answer, sums up a lot.  You ever seen some of the games they play over there?

Big fan of Nintendo, their games are great.  Square Enix's older games (Chrono Trigger, FF2, FF3, etc) were also great.  I'm sure I can think up plenty more great examples if I had time.

I don't believe the sweeping generalizations in this thread are very accurate.  Yeah, Japan and America do have different tastes, and I do believe that we like ME more than they do, but some of the stuff in this thread is really over the top.

[vaylander]

To each their own, personally I haven't played any jrpgs outside of Parasite Eve I and II, and the Resident Evil titles which I know aren't rpgs.

[Nastrod]

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

Hell ya they do. This was the 7th best selling game 2 weeks ago in Japan -If I Were in a Sealed Room With a Girl, I'd Probably XXX (D3 Publisher) {2012.03.15} (¥6.090) - 18.291 / NEW

No lie

Here is how ME3 did for the same week -[b]Mass Effect 3 (Electronic Arts) {2012.03.15} (¥7.665) - 8.142 / NEW

Modifié par Nastrod, 27 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Iwillbeback]

What? Japan and Asia doesn't buy all that many western games.
How didn't you know this?

[CyanidPontifex]

Since when has Japan cared about either shooters or western RPGs?

[Aerevane]

Oh please, we all know that for BioWare the community encompasses only those out of the United States. When did BioWare ever care for Europeans? Exactly... not once.

[someguy1231]

Nastrod wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

Hell ya they do. This was the 7th best selling game 2 weeks ago in Japan -If I Were in a Sealed Room With a Girl, I'd Probably XXX (D3 Publisher) {2012.03.15} (¥6.090) - 18.291 / NEW

No lie

Here is how ME3 did for the same week -[b]Mass Effect 3 (Electronic Arts) {2012.03.15} (¥7.665) - 8.142 / NEW

I remember when Portal 2 was released in Japan, it was also a commercial bomb. But guess what game was the top selling in the week it was released? A PSP game that involves stripping girls to see if they're vampires or not. <_< That was the moment I completely lost all remaining respect for Japanese gamers.

[Grimez7]

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

anime, sushi, tekken, must i go on?

[Grimez7]

Well obviously Xbox is less popular than PS3 in Japan and more popular than PS3 in America. Xbox is made by Microsoft(AMERICA) PS3 is made by Sony(JAPAN)

Modifié par Grimez7, 27 mars 2012 - 10:56 .

[Elvwood]

They were too busy killing Dolphins to play the game

[CYRAX470]

Japan has spoken!

[bossk-office]

zarnk567 wrote...
Huh ... makes you wonder if they bash on us too in their threads about us ...

I don’t think they care enough to discuss us at all. But if they did, they would bash us even more.

[zarnk567]

The Real Bowser wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

This, while not a one size fits all answer, sums up a lot.  You ever seen some of the games they play over there?

Big fan of Nintendo, their games are great.  Square Enix's older games (Chrono Trigger, FF2, FF3, etc) were also great.  I'm sure I can think up plenty more great examples if I had time.

I don't believe the sweeping generalizations in this thread are very accurate.  Yeah, Japan and America do have different tastes, and I do believe that we like ME more than they do, but some of the stuff in this thread is really over the top.

Yea, it is pretty over the top.

Modifié par zarnk567, 27 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[Myrmedus]

liggy002 wrote...

If you are a Final Fantasy Fan, XIII-2 is a great game. I have yet to finish it but that demonstrates a company that listens to their fanbase. They made the game more open ended with an element of time travel. It is a massive improvement over Final Fantasy XIII, which did have a decent story but was very linear. I'm hoping that Bioware does the same and takes their fan feedback into account.

Square Enix is taking the DLC route as well.  For the first time ever, they are making DLC part of a Final Fantasy game.  I hate to say it, but the DLC madness is something that is spreading across the whole of the game industry.  At least the corporate game industry.

Eh?

I thought XIII-2 was utter crap and worse than the first. Sure, it fixed one problem raised: linear "corridor" gameplay but the character roster is smaller, the characters are even weaker (didn't think that was possible), and story is weaker, the gameplay is more or less the same.

What in the jesus?

Honestly, I don't think FF will ever get back its magic. I just replay IV to X these days.

[zarnk567]

Myrmedus wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

If you are a Final Fantasy Fan, XIII-2 is a great game. I have yet to finish it but that demonstrates a company that listens to their fanbase. They made the game more open ended with an element of time travel. It is a massive improvement over Final Fantasy XIII, which did have a decent story but was very linear. I'm hoping that Bioware does the same and takes their fan feedback into account.

Square Enix is taking the DLC route as well.  For the first time ever, they are making DLC part of a Final Fantasy game.  I hate to say it, but the DLC madness is something that is spreading across the whole of the game industry.  At least the corporate game industry.

Eh?

I thought XIII-2 was utter crap and worse than the first. Sure, it fixed one problem raised: linear "corridor" gameplay but the character roster is smaller, the characters are even weaker (didn't think that was possible), and story is weaker, the gameplay is more or less the same.

What in the jesus?

Honestly, I don't think FF will ever get back its magic. I just replay IV to X these days.

I agree, Final Fantasy 13-2 is a blight on the RPG genre as a whole.

[Myrmedus]

zarnk567 wrote...

The Real Bowser wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

This, while not a one size fits all answer, sums up a lot.  You ever seen some of the games they play over there?

Big fan of Nintendo, their games are great.  Square Enix's older games (Chrono Trigger, FF2, FF3, etc) were also great.  I'm sure I can think up plenty more great examples if I had time.

I don't believe the sweeping generalizations in this thread are very accurate.  Yeah, Japan and America do have different tastes, and I do believe that we like ME more than they do, but some of the stuff in this thread is really over the top.

Yea, it is pretty over the top.

You know, I actually agree with these "over the top" comments though. Two reasons:

- You need to consider, guys: what we get in Europe or the US is only the most "universal" stuff that Japan makes. Some of their more "extreme" stuff doesn't make it out of the country.

- It actually seems they're getting worse when it comes to these stereotypical traits. For easy reference, look at FFVIII (not even one of my favourites) and then compare that to FFXIII in terms of the dialogue, style and visuals. XIII is so over-the-top, cheesy and anime-like compared. It honestly seems like a great deal of Japanese game developers have lost their touch in how to produce globally viable games (FromSoftware excluded!)

In fact, even with FFX which was quite recent, I felt that while Tidus was annoyingly voiced and some of the dialogue could be "Krgh" (Tidus and Yuna: "Ha ha ha ha ha" anyone?), generally it was quite mature and well done. The world was colourful but I don't recall any overtly Japanese stereotypical elements in it...in fact they created an entirely new religion and culture for the in-game world that, visually, was like a cross-over of Buddhism and Catholicism.

XII was also a weird contradiction in of itself: some of the dialogue was VERY mature and deep, either on philosophical and political levels: none of this anime-esque bullcrap but proper characters. But then...you had Penelo. And then...you had Vaan. And then...you had Fran's character design (playboy bunny? Seriously?)

In fact, XII tells the whole tale: originally Penelo and Vaan weren't meant to be in it but directors insisted more child-like characters were added to allow the title 'synergy' with a younger audience.

And it's been going downhill ever since....

Modifié par Myrmedus, 27 mars 2012 - 11:23 .