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[leeboi2]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 27 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[Zabaniya]

Myrmedus wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

The Real Bowser wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

This, while not a one size fits all answer, sums up a lot.  You ever seen some of the games they play over there?

Big fan of Nintendo, their games are great.  Square Enix's older games (Chrono Trigger, FF2, FF3, etc) were also great.  I'm sure I can think up plenty more great examples if I had time.

I don't believe the sweeping generalizations in this thread are very accurate.  Yeah, Japan and America do have different tastes, and I do believe that we like ME more than they do, but some of the stuff in this thread is really over the top.

Yea, it is pretty over the top.

You know, I actually agree with these "over the top" comments though. Two reasons:

- You need to consider, guys: what we get in Europe or the US is only the most "universal" stuff that Japan makes. Some of their more "extreme" stuff doesn't make it out of the country.

- It actually seems they're getting worse when it comes to these stereotypical traits. For easy reference, look at FFVIII (not even one of my favourites) and then compare that to FFXIII in terms of the dialogue, style and visuals. XIII is so over-the-top, cheesy and anime-like compared. It honestly seems like a great deal of Japanese game developers have lost their touch in how to produce globally viable games (FromSoftware excluded!)

You realize that your last sentence can go both ways?  Like for example, Gears of War 3 was filled to the brim and over with the over-the-top, cheesy, gungho lines and character builds.  I'm reading more xenophobia and ignorance than general, accurate statements here.  But I think you get the point more than most posters in this thread.

Modifié par Zabaniya, 27 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[zarnk567]

Well, I meant over the top, with how some comments are just Xenophobic and full of generalzations. 

Modifié par zarnk567, 27 mars 2012 - 11:32 .

[Myrmedus]

Zabaniya wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

The Real Bowser wrote...

The Smitchens wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

This, while not a one size fits all answer, sums up a lot.  You ever seen some of the games they play over there?

Big fan of Nintendo, their games are great.  Square Enix's older games (Chrono Trigger, FF2, FF3, etc) were also great.  I'm sure I can think up plenty more great examples if I had time.

I don't believe the sweeping generalizations in this thread are very accurate.  Yeah, Japan and America do have different tastes, and I do believe that we like ME more than they do, but some of the stuff in this thread is really over the top.

Yea, it is pretty over the top.

You know, I actually agree with these "over the top" comments though. Two reasons:

- You need to consider, guys: what we get in Europe or the US is only the most "universal" stuff that Japan makes. Some of their more "extreme" stuff doesn't make it out of the country.

- It actually seems they're getting worse when it comes to these stereotypical traits. For easy reference, look at FFVIII (not even one of my favourites) and then compare that to FFXIII in terms of the dialogue, style and visuals. XIII is so over-the-top, cheesy and anime-like compared. It honestly seems like a great deal of Japanese game developers have lost their touch in how to produce globally viable games (FromSoftware excluded!)

You realize that your last sentence can go both ways?  Like for example, Gears of War 3 was filled to the brim and over with the over-the-top, cheesy, gungho lines and character builds.  I'm reading more xenophobia and ignorance than general, accurate statements here.  But I think you get the point more than most posters in this thread.

Not sure, can't comment because I've never (and will never) played GoW - I can just tell from the tone and design of what I've seen that it's likely macho crap.

I've also added more to the original post you quoted (did it before I saw your reply) - I suppose some of it is just disillusionment with present day Japanese games in general (I miss the old FFs).

Modifié par Myrmedus, 27 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[sanadawarrior]

GoblinSapper wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Nah, shooters are NOT popular in Japan.

Nor are our RPGs. So basically, they have got all the reasons in the world not to buy it.

Don't read too much in numbers from Japan

Hell, Skyrim got a 40/40 in THE quintissential japanese games publication, a distinction shared by only a dozen or so other games (this magazine has been running since the Famicon was the big cheese) and it still sold poorly in Japan.

Yeah it only launched at 4th(Ps3) and 9th(360) during the busy holiday season... wut?

http://www.vgchartz....ly/40888/Japan/

Modifié par sanadawarrior, 27 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[Mendelevosa]

It is interesting how Western games do not sell well in Japan, but when Japan makes games such as Mario, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, and Pokemon, those games end up being popular all throughout the world. Though the games I listed are targeted towards multiple foreign markets. I for one am a fan of some of the games Japan has to offer. I'm currently awaiting for the Zone of the Enders HD Collection coming out soon.

Modifié par Mendelevosa, 27 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[someguy1231]

zarnk567 wrote...

Well, I meant over the top, with how some comments are just Xenophobic and full of generalzations. 

When discussing the gaming tastes of an entire country, generalizations are pretty much inevitable. Looking at the most popular selling games in Japan, as well as comparing the popular games in the West with their Japanese sales, a few trends are inescapable.

Frankly, if there's anyone who is being xenophobic here, it's the hardcore Japanese gamers. As other posters here have pointed out, there are many Japanese-made games which are huge sellers in the West (Mario, Zelda, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, etc), but as far as I know, there isn't a single Western-made game that's gained anything more than a cult following in Japan. Even Skyrim, the first Western game to get a perfect score in Famitsu, has managed only a shadow of its Western sales in Japan.

[DevilBeast]

Evanz wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

I think Japan would have loved the ending.
http://tvtropes.org/...in/GainaxEnding

It is a MUST READ

to quote:

A Gainax Ending is an ending that doesn't make any sense.

This is usually a deliberate form of Mind Screw or intended as a Sequel Hook to a sequel that was never made.
For whatever reason, after watching a Gainax Ending, you won't have any idea what happened.

After rewatching it, rewatching the entire series, discussing it with other fans, looking up the meaning of the symbolism, and subjecting the entire thing to a  comprehensive literary analysis, you still might not have any idea what  happened.

If you're lucky, then there will be some kind of emotional or symbolic resolution even if it doesn't actually explain what happened to the characters, and you'll be left with the sense that the series as a  whole was more deeply thought out than it seemed before.

If you're unlucky, then you'll be left with more questions than when you started with, and the sense that the series as a whole has been voided of the meaning you once read in it.

A Gainax Ending frequently involves bizarre and nonsensical Genre Shifts, Fauxlosophic Narration, and/or Faux Symbolism, and may very well cause Ending Aversion. For an aborted Sequel Hook, you might encounter a Diabolus Ex Vacuus (where a new villain appears from nowhere, does something villainous, and then disappears again) or No Ending in the form of an ambiguous Cliff Hanger. Either way, it would have been addressed in the sequel... had there been one.

ME3´s ending in a nutshell.

[lucidfox]

And just as expected, the thread is filled with stereotypes.

Ah, BSN. You never change.

[DevilBeast]

Grimez7 wrote...

Well obviously Xbox is less popular than PS3 in Japan and more popular than PS3 in America. Xbox is made by Microsoft(AMERICA) PS3 is made by Sony(JAPAN)

Nationalism at its finest. Good thing I´m neither American or Japanese..

[FellishBeast]

Arokel wrote...

Japan has a different taste in games than the west.

Come to think of it they have a different taste in many different types of things.

Dog.

[Statulos]

Pulling a Gainax. Good to see that Japanese have their own emic version of "pulling a Lost", especially considering the uproar Evangelion generated.

I have always wondered how well Bioware sells in places like India or Pakistan. I´m mentioning these two because they are very heavily populated and belive it or not, India is one of the most ecclectic and cosmopolitan places in the world.

Narration in India is one of the best in the whole world. We are talking about the people who created Ramayana or Mahabaratha, so I wonder how ME3 has been received over there.

[Aetius5]

I've been to Japan, it's a very insular country insofar that they prefer to partake of mostly things from within the country. They prefer to take things from foreign countries and make them their own after a while.

[Statulos]

Aetius5 wrote...

I've been to Japan, it's a very insular country insofar that they prefer to partake of mostly things from within the country. They prefer to take things from foreign countries and make them their own after a while.

I guess that´s one of the reasons Japanese people outside Japan made very clear to me that they were considered weirdos at home.

But well, when you see Japanese people dancing salsa or playing flamenco (in Japan, that is), you know the myth of their chauvinism and xenophobia is simply not true.

[DemGeth]

Well.....that's better than the previous 2 ME's hehe nice to see those odd cartoons they made to advertise the game paid off

[Dridengx]

Xbox is dead in Japan. The only people who have one are members of the FGC and people who play RPGs. That's why you see very little sales. Even for the PS3, you will find a lot of big games don't sell over there. Different culture.

[Dridengx]

noobcannon wrote...


week 1 sales


pokemon -               172,963

mass effect 3 -        8,414


lol

oh yeah.. pokemon, dragon quest, final fantasy, resident evil (Biohazard), monster hunter you know it. sells like crazy

[fafnir magnus]

sold about as well as the next random JRPG to show up in the united states will here in the west. Not shocked.

Little disappointed in the stereotypical japan-bashing comments though, then I remembered I was on the internet and resisted the urge to LAWLCAT

[Chuvvy]

Me2 sold what? 5k copies in Japan?

[DemGeth]

Dridengx wrote...

noobcannon wrote...


week 1 sales


pokemon -               172,963

mass effect 3 -        8,414


lol

oh yeah.. pokemon, dragon quest, final fantasy, resident evil (Biohazard), monster hunter you know it. sells like crazy

That date sim game is a monster over their too....and a bunch of other titles you'd never recognize.  

[Chuvvy]

Dridengx wrote...

Xbox is dead in Japan. The only people who have one are members of the FGC and people who play RPGs. That's why you see very little sales. Even for the PS3, you will find a lot of big games don't sell over there. Different culture.

Japan is the closest thing we have to an alien civilization, and vice versa.

[LilyasAvalon]

I don't blame them personally. I'd MUCH rather play Harvest Moon at this point.

[KevShep]

Japan gamers are the ones that like the "art' and "music" of there games over comon sense/non-cliche style.

They perfer cliche and repeated themes throughout ALL of there entertanment. Example: almost in all Japan anime and games there is ALWAYS a love triangle RIGHT in the middle of a battle!

Japan's market is one that has stoped its evolution process by becoming alien to the rest of the world that is moving forward!

[McScroggz24]

Japan, and Asia for the matter, is a whole different culture. Everything from family values to social structure is completely different. As a consumer we must take note that our games reflect this. As someone who loves JRPGs I can confirm that virtually every game made over there isn't made to suit the western audiences (aside from altering some aspects every now and then, thanks NIS) and vice versa. That being said, it's disrespectful to be so impatient about waiting for all markets to get time to enjoy the game before requesting answers and fixes.

[Lonsecia]

I have to wonder how people can make strange generalizations about the Japanese when we're on the forums for a Western game that has one of the worst, most nonsensical endings around. There're only a few games I truly think missed the mark with their endings (note, there are games that I've played that were too rubbish to bother completing/I was too rubbish to finish), but among them are Fable 3, ME 3, Bulletstorm, Dreamfall, KOTOR II and FF IX. Only one's Japanese, and like the others, only really missteps at the last moment. At least Dreamfall's ending does fall under genuinely bitter-sweet, even if it leaves far too many plot strands unresolved. KOTOR II is just... Bleh, Bulletstorm is a 'to be continued' Fable 3 is... Horrific, and FF IX's has Necron appear for no logical reason, and almost completely destroys interest in the game.

There are other endings I've seen that are as bad, but I've been up for a long while now, and it's 6:30, so my memory is not at its best.

Anyway, in my experience of Japanese games, anime, manga and so forth, I have found that the nonsensical stuff is in the minority, as it is in most places. Sometimes there'll be an issue created due to dodgy translations (seen that happen a few times) and I know that these can lead to crapping all over the plot/making it look less intellectual/shallower/wierder than it should be.

Also: I REALLY hate fable 3's ending/s. Thank you, Peter.