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[Honninscrave]

*some spoilers*

So for my next playthrough, I'm thinking of making a "darker" character and going Blood Mage. First time through I was a human noble warrior who made all the "good" decisions - time for the flip side of the coin.

The character concept is based off the conversations with Duncan during the Mage Origin story. If you talk to him after escorting him to his quarters, and persuade him to tell you about the conflicts between Greaigor and Irving, he mentions that the Chantry is afraid of what the mages will realise if they're allowed to unleash their full power - but that their full power will be pivotal in the struggle against the Darkspawn.

You can also discuss Blood Magic with him, and he confesses that Grey Wardens in the past have needed to resort to Blood Magic in order to defeat the Darkspawn. He is of the oppinion that apostates - even abominations - are lesser evils than a blight.

I'm wanting to make a character with the same viewpoint. Not necessarily "evil" per say, but driven to amass as much power as possible to eradicate the Darkspawn threat. And after witnessing what Jowan, a lowly apprentice could do against a group of templars with Blood Magic, my PC was even more convinced that this "heretical" path was going to be necessary to combat the Archdemon.

But I wonder, how will the various party members react to me becoming a Blood Mage? I would imagine that Wynne would freak out, and possibly Alistair as well. Leliana I'm not so sure of - she was part of the Chantry after all. The thing is, I don't actually want to party with the more "evil" NPCs like Zevran, Morrigan, Oghran, etc, because their primary motivations aren't to end the Blight. I want people as driven for my cause as I am around me - Alistair, Wynne, and Leli. Or perhaps Shale.

So, who flips out over the PC becoming a blood mage, and who's accepting of it?

Modifié par Honninscrave, 01 décembre 2009 - 11:52 .

[Ulrik the Slayer]

They don't.



I've even used Blood Sacrifice on both Alistair and Wynne on multiple occasions. No specialization, from what I can tell, make any impact whatsoever. It is a totally downer, really.

[marshalleck]

Nobody cares.

[Thomas9321]

No one cares. Not a single character. Only you will know. Use blood wound mid fight? No one bats an eyelash. Use blood sacrfice on Wynne? Not even a raised eyebrow. 'Tis quite disappointin as it really takes away from some roleplay options that may be otherwise viable.

[Honninscrave]

Surprising. But I guess that frees me up to party with whom I like while still being the power-hoarding Malificarum.

Modifié par Honninscrave, 01 décembre 2009 - 11:58 .

[Ieya]

The NPCs won't even object if they are specced into Blood Magic - even Wynne (and in the CE of the strategy guide, at least one of the designers specifically mentions that's what he likes doing)...

[SnakeStrike8]

No-one ever reacts to a specialization you take. You can turn your PC into a templar and Morrigan won't even look at you differently.

[Curlain]

Yep you can make Wynne a blood mage, and even as she will continue to talk to you about the dangers of it and possession etc, she'll be using it in fights. I had thought gaining the Blood Mage spec would have the kind of fallout as Reaver, or someone in the world would pay attention to you using it but nope.

Mabye Obi-W- sorry Duncan, told taught you the Jedi Mind trick

Modifié par Curlain, 02 décembre 2009 - 01:09 .

[Honninscrave]

What about the actual obtainment quest, though? Aka bargaining with Connor's demon rather than slaying it. Does no one find out about that?

[Curlain]

No. because your mage is the only one there (in the Fade anyhow), so only you (and the desire demon of course) know anything about your deal (you can also ask her for a few other things besides blood mage spec, inlcuding a somewhat saucy option), and she's not going to tell anyone

Modifié par Curlain, 02 décembre 2009 - 01:18 .

[Honninscrave]

(you can also ask her for a few other things besides blood mage spec, inlcuding a somewhat saucy option), and she's not going to tell anyone

Save, pick dialogue option 1, watch...

Reload. pick dialogue option 2, watch...

Reload.

[ImNotTrent]

getting the reaver spec does have some repercussions, blood mage has none though. strange.

[The Capital Gaultier]

I was hoping they'd care that I was a Blood Mage. No response.



I mean, I guess I can see why it isn't there from a development perspective, but it'd be nice to draw some sort of reaction from the Templar, the mage and the apostate.

[Rhys Cordelle]

If you're making Wynne into a bloodmage and then complaining that her acceptance of that disrupts your roleplaying experience then you're being hypocritical. If you're roleplaying then you shouldn't ever make Wynne a bloodmage.



I do agree it's disappointing that there aren't many reactions to your specialization choices, but again, I would suggest that if you're concerned about roleplay, and your character is a blood mage, that character would never perform blood magic around a templar and a senior enchanter.

[Aratham Darksight]

Interesting, the Prima guide claims that Wynne will confront you about being a blood mage before joining you for good at the end of the Broken Circle quest, potentially leading to a fight where you alienate both the mages and templars. Says so at multiple places, in fact.



I never tried this, does it actually happen, or is this something that happened in earlier preview versions and got cut in the final one? I have difficulty believing that they made it up whole cloth.

[Curlain]

I said you could make Wynne a blood mage, I never said I actually did, I was using the example to illustrate the point about lack of reaction to the blood mage spec, because obviously like you said, she as a character would never take up such a practice.

Modifié par Curlain, 02 décembre 2009 - 03:45 .

[Rhys Cordelle]

Aratham Darksight wrote...

Interesting, the Prima guide claims that Wynne will confront you about being a blood mage before joining you for good at the end of the Broken Circle quest, potentially leading to a fight where you alienate both the mages and templars. Says so at multiple places, in fact.

I never tried this, does it actually happen, or is this something that happened in earlier preview versions and got cut in the final one? I have difficulty believing that they made it up whole cloth.

Most people probably complete the broken circle quest before they learn blood magic.

[Forumtroll]

Player: These isn't the Blood Magic you are looking for.

[RPGmom28]

I am currently playing an elf blood mage/entropy mage, and no one has shown any concern. But since you brought up roleplaying, I have tried to take into consideration that my character finds Blood Magic, and the attainment of it, perfectly acceptable, and so he finds other decisions that are questionable to be good options for him. He is the only character I have had so far that has been willing to do things that are shady. As much of a goody-two-shoes as I usually am in games, I am finding it perversely entertaining to see him spurt blood to get mana and to steal health from Sten and then call him friend. Morrigan seems pleased at the character's choices.

[Niten Ryu]

I made all warriors reavers, not even Alistair reacted in any way. I was bloodmage and none said anything. I used blood magics on my group members and no reaction.

[Honninscrave]

RPGmom28 wrote...
 But since you brought up roleplaying, I have tried to take into consideration that my character finds Blood Magic, and the attainment of it, perfectly acceptable, and so he finds other decisions that are questionable to be good options for him. He is the only character I have had so far that has been willing to do things that are shady. As much of a goody-two-shoes as I usually am in games, I am finding it perversely entertaining to see him spurt blood to get mana and to steal health from Sten and then call him friend. Morrigan seems pleased at the character's choices.

See a good character concept is the only thing that can make me roleplay an "evil" character and enjoy it. Just picking all the "bad" options in dialogue because last time you picked all the good ones doesn't create much enjoyment for me - you lose immersion in the character.

Duncan's oppinions on blood magic and the way the Chantry try to keep the mages under their thumb opened my eyes to a way to play a Blood Mage Warden in an "evil" sort of way while still being able to justify it.

For instance, the merchant in Lothering that's extorting money from the townsfolk, that the chantry priest tries to get you to reason with. As my blood mage-to-be, I would side with the merchant for a reward rather than the priest for goodwill. Why? I hate the Chantry already, they're trying to repress magical talent that is needed to face the Darkspawn. And the merchant is offering me coin, whilst the priest is simply expecting me to help them out of moral obligation. That coin can be turned into better equipment that can increase my chances against the Darkspawn, etc.

Modifié par Honninscrave, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:01 .

[Rhys Cordelle]

You know what's fun? Play 'solo' and have Alistair follow you around with his AI off. Just use him as a blood tap ';..;'

[Thomas9321]

Aratham Darksight wrote...

Interesting, the Prima guide claims that Wynne will confront you about being a blood mage before joining you for good at the end of the Broken Circle quest, potentially leading to a fight where you alienate both the mages and templars. Says so at multiple places, in fact.

I never tried this, does it actually happen, or is this something that happened in earlier preview versions and got cut in the final one? I have difficulty believing that they made it up whole cloth.

I can confirm this is false. I recently did Broken Circle as a Blood Mage and Wynne didn't even notice/care.

[Auraad]

DA:O is such a great role playing game, most NPCs don't react to really important things you do!

Oh, I forgot ... ok, there is the sacred ashes ...

[DarkSpiral]

I read somewhere about the mages reacting to you practicing blood magic...but in that post I think you had to say it out loud, and if you do that in a room full of mages AND TEMPLARS, you clearly need an immediate butt-kicking.