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[Aurora313]

Even if she didn't in three, in my opinion, she did repeatedly in one against my Shepard's wishes. Kind of counts as mind-rape and the headcanon concequences weren't fun for Ash (his love interest).

Modifié par Aurora313, 26 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[rfalzar]

Well the topic definitely made me laugh a little, but I really don't think what she did is any way sexual (unless maybe she was your LI?). From what I understand of Asari reproduction, they just take genetic info from their bondmate, randomize it, and combine it with theirs to create offspring. This isn't necessarily what's going on here. Nothing more than a simple sharing of memories via their ability to meld nervous systems minus the genes combining in this case, much like the shifting through memories that happens in ME1.

Some people think that it could be her saying she was going to have a kid with Shep's DNA in it, but I doubt this. Some think it happened right then and my question is why would someone as smart, logical, and analytical as Liara do that when she's about to run off into a battle with a high chance of not surviving it. If it happens later, I also highly doubt it because she wouldn't violate the trust of someone she considers as close of a friend as she considers Shepard.

My interpretation of it was that she included her relationship (whether it be friend or LI) in the time capsule with Shepard's entry. I noticed when the time capsule turned on there were a bunch of holographic dots/orbs that it created floating around the cabin, much like the glowing orbs in her memory. Simply showing that she cares for you and wanted to record it for future generations possibly

Modifié par rfalzar, 27 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

You saw the way she ran her hand across Shepard's arm.

She totally played Shepard for a fool.

[Golden Owl]

jameshawking wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

Even if Shepard doesn't romance Liara, she's quite eager to explain to him how asari reproduction works in ME1. Shepard knows enough to know that mind melding with an asari has a chance of netting him/her a baby. Rape is about forced sexual contact, not about babies. Shepard consented to the contact. And again, you seem to be operating under the assumption that Liara is dishonest and untrustworthy enough to trick her friend into getting her pregnant. Do you think it's in her character to do that?

as I said above:

You're acting as if the Shadow Broker has a clean morality.

She threatens to slay people with her mind, has no second thoughts about killing people both in person and through others, and was for a long period of time emotionally unstable <<


So, yes.  If she has what she sees as a good reason for her actions (for example; making sure Shepard's legacy lives on in case he dies) I can see her doing something like that.

Hell, this is a woman who very likely killed her own mother.

I could see her doing that actually.

[jameshawking]

edit: added a poll in the beginning

[rpgfan321]

Uh... no. I don't think so.

[Inujade]

While I think 'rape' is the wrong word to use for this situation, I do think there's a strong argument to be made for the 'Liara totally got knocked up' thing.

First of all, to the 'Liara wouldn't do that without asking' ...Liara is established as not having a very firm grasp on human boundaries. Maybe it's a cultural thing with the asari, but here are some things she does:

1) Within hours of meeting you, she Googles everything about you and gets a major crush from that information alone. Harmless? Of course. But a little inappropriate.

2) She says she finds you fascinating and that you would be an excellent object for study. She doesn't mean anything by it, but she only realizes in retrospect that this is kind of a creepy thing to say.

3) She finds your body and gives it to a terrorist organization rather than letting you go. A terrorist organization that traumatized you, if you play a Sole Survivor.

4)She keeps parts of your armour ON DISPLAY in her apartment

5)Finally, by her own admission: "EDI respects your privacy...unlike me." It's a joke, but she makes it at herself about a character flaw she recognizes.

Now, with that in mind...

The colour of the horizon in the 'gift' scene changes depending on whether you are a Paragon or Renegade. I see absolutely no reason for this distinction except that it is part of the core of who Shepard is...Liara, like all asari, does not take genetic material, but rather an 'imprint' of the father. Coincidence?

The confused look Shepard gives her at the end, even when romanced, tells me that s/he didn't find the experience particularly enlightening. More like, "OK, what did you just do?" Strange to call it a gift when they don't seem to get anything out of it. But then, children are always gifts, aren't they...

I'm not saying it happened FOR SURE, just that there's a strong possibility.

[overburning]

No... and she asked,
What Liara said, I thought it was somewhat similar to the prothean, so I'm more concerned about Javik tbh.

[CptData]

Ltes hope Liara was honest and didn't open herself for "receiving". The last thing my Shepard (in case he survives) wants to find out is that Liara got a child by that last "embrace eternity" session.

[Yuqi]

Inujade wrote...

While I think 'rape' is the wrong word to use for this situation, I do think there's a strong argument to be made for the 'Liara totally got knocked up' thing.

First of all, to the 'Liara wouldn't do that without asking' ...Liara is established as not having a very firm grasp on human boundaries. Maybe it's a cultural thing with the asari, but here are some things she does:

1) Within hours of meeting you, she Googles everything about you and gets a major crush from that information alone. Harmless? Of course. But a little inappropriate.

2) She says she finds you fascinating and that you would be an excellent object for study. She doesn't mean anything by it, but she only realizes in retrospect that this is kind of a creepy thing to say.

3) She finds your body and gives it to a terrorist organization rather than letting you go. A terrorist organization that traumatized you, if you play a Sole Survivor.

4)She keeps parts of your armour ON DISPLAY in her apartment

5)Finally, by her own admission: "EDI respects your privacy...unlike me." It's a joke, but she makes it at herself about a character flaw she recognizes.

Now, with that in mind...

The colour of the horizon in the 'gift' scene changes depending on whether you are a Paragon or Renegade. I see absolutely no reason for this distinction except that it is part of the core of who Shepard is...Liara, like all asari, does not take genetic material, but rather an 'imprint' of the father. Coincidence?

The confused look Shepard gives her at the end, even when romanced, tells me that s/he didn't find the experience particularly enlightening. More like, "OK, what did you just do?" Strange to call it a gift when they don't seem to get anything out of it. But then, children are always gifts, aren't they...

I'm not saying it happened FOR SURE, just that there's a strong possibility.

YOu bring up some very good points..

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

"Reads through topic"

Seriously?

The colour of the horizon in the 'gift' scene changes depending on
whether you are a Paragon or Renegade. I see absolutely no reason for
this distinction except that it is part of the core of who Shepard
is...Liara, like all asari, does not take genetic material, but rather
an 'imprint' of the father. Coincidence?

Is the gift not Liara's memories of Shepard? What she thinks of him? If so, it makes sense why the colour would change depending on P/R.

The confused look
Shepard gives her at the end, even when romanced, tells me that s/he
didn't find the experience particularly enlightening. More like, "OK,
what did you just do?" Strange to call it a gift when they don't seem to
get anything out of it. But then, children are always gifts, aren't
they...

Shepard looks displeased or confused? I disagree.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 28 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Renessa]

Inujade wrote...

While I think 'rape' is the wrong word to use for this situation, I do think there's a strong argument to be made for the 'Liara totally got knocked up' thing.

First of all, to the 'Liara wouldn't do that without asking' ...Liara is established as not having a very firm grasp on human boundaries. Maybe it's a cultural thing with the asari, but here are some things she does:

1) Within hours of meeting you, she Googles everything about you and gets a major crush from that information alone. Harmless? Of course. But a little inappropriate.

2) She says she finds you fascinating and that you would be an excellent object for study. She doesn't mean anything by it, but she only realizes in retrospect that this is kind of a creepy thing to say.

3) She finds your body and gives it to a terrorist organization rather than letting you go. A terrorist organization that traumatized you, if you play a Sole Survivor.

4)She keeps parts of your armour ON DISPLAY in her apartment

5)Finally, by her own admission: "EDI respects your privacy...unlike me." It's a joke, but she makes it at herself about a character flaw she recognizes.

Now, with that in mind...

The colour of the horizon in the 'gift' scene changes depending on whether you are a Paragon or Renegade. I see absolutely no reason for this distinction except that it is part of the core of who Shepard is...Liara, like all asari, does not take genetic material, but rather an 'imprint' of the father. Coincidence?

The confused look Shepard gives her at the end, even when romanced, tells me that s/he didn't find the experience particularly enlightening. More like, "OK, what did you just do?" Strange to call it a gift when they don't seem to get anything out of it. But then, children are always gifts, aren't they...

I'm not saying it happened FOR SURE, just that there's a strong possibility.

This totally.

Romanced or not, Liara is fairly obsessed with Shepard and I think she would see this as one possiblity to let her/his legacy live on.

I am not even sure, my Sheps would be so dead set against it. The primal urge to have your off-spring live on is a mighty one, especially if you are about to face almost certain death.

Also rape is not really the right word. I thought the mind-melds in ME1 on the Normandy "felt" far more intrusive and perhaps even violent. This one was more about peace and calmness, somehow.

[Irx]

I don't get that scene at all - she is supposed to show you some sacred memory of hers, but she couldn't have witnessed that in person. Or is it some "around the galaxy extratube vid" she saw the other day?

[LaurenShepard-N7]

I didn't think about until now but it does seem possible for these reasons:
*It's the end of the world, so there's an innate instinct to pass on your genetic material.
*Liara is desperate enough to give your body to terrorists to resurrect you, even if you didn't romance her, even if you were a massive dick to her, even if you left her trapped in her bubble until almost the end of ME1.
*Liara is cannon LI, that's why Bioware gave her DLC in ME2 and did such a half-assed job writing everyone else's romance in ME3.
*It's been done before with the Dark Ritual in DA:O
*Bioware likely wants a new character for a future Mass Effect sequel, people would be more receptive of someone who has a connection to Shepard, and Asari can live centuries into the future.
*Even if they didn't think of it at the time they wrote this scene, Bioware could still get the idea from the internet and make it cannon.
*It wouldn't be the first time a woman tricked a man into having her baby.

[CptData]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

I didn't think about until now but it does seem possible for these reasons:
*It's the end of the world, so there's an innate instinct to pass on your genetic material.
*Liara is desperate enough to give your body to terrorists to resurrect you, even if you didn't romance her, even if you were a massive dick to her, even if you left her trapped in her bubble until almost the end of ME1.
*Liara is cannon LI, that's why Bioware gave her DLC in ME2 and did such a half-assed job writing everyone else's romance in ME3.
*It's been done before with the Dark Ritual in DA:O
*Bioware likely wants a new character for a future Mass Effect sequel, people would be more receptive of someone who has a connection to Shepard, and Asari can live centuries into the future.
*Even if they didn't think of it at the time they wrote this scene, Bioware could still get the idea from the internet and make it cannon.
*It wouldn't be the first time a woman tricked a man into having her baby.

And the bad part is: if your Shepard isn't Liara's LI, s/he still may end with a child s/he's not even aware of.

Dunno what's worse: becoming a father (in case of Asari love the non-Asari is always the father, even if female) without knowledge or becoming a father against will.

Lets hope Liara respects Shepard's decision in case s/he doesn't want to be in a relationship with her.

[frylock23]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's been thinking this because what kind of "memory" is that exactly that Liara is showing Shepard? How did Liara ever experience that?

The only possibility I could come up with is that it's the asari experience of dying, and I only think that because of Benezia's final words "No light ... they always said ... there would be ... a light ..." But if that's what it was, why didn't Liara just say so when Shep asked her what it was? how hard is it to say "this is what we experience in our final moments"?

Now, I'm going to be really ticked off if I spent three games avoiding getting ninjamanced by Liara just to find out that she's made me her baby daddy anyhow.

[LilyasAvalon]

Yes, I headcannoned that last scene with her as her telling Shepard that she 'always loved them' (Regardless of if she was your LI or not) and that she secretly impregnanted herself with Shepard's baby.

...She deserves it though, Liara's such an awesome friend in ME3.

[ashwind]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Yes, I headcannoned that last scene with her as her telling Shepard that she 'always loved them' (Regardless of if she was your LI or not) and that she secretly impregnanted herself with Shepard's baby.

...She deserves it though, Liara's such an awesome friend in ME3.

I was thinking about the same thing. Liara has been extra sweet to Shepard in ME3 and she has been hinting her feelings to Shepard all along.

But rape Shepard and secretly have his child.... 

In Liara's own words: Must you all make it sound so... tawdry

[Hellfire257]

I am really, really curious about this. I didn't understand it at all.

[PsyrenY]

She saved my life, hell yeah I'll tap that, and my Shep is as gay as a marching band.

[Mr.House]

Liara would first never have Shepards kid without Shepards permission if you did not romance her. Second the gift scene is way different if you romanced her then if you are a friend. Third you can reject the gift.

[jlb524]

Methinks Liara's writer laughs at this thread.

[Tom Lehrer]

The thought had crossed my mind. If you have not romanced Laria she seems a little like a stalker.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 28 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[Heather Cline]

yes we laugh at this thread.