Much as I despise Liara and firmly believe she takes being a creepy stalker to whole new level, I don't think she mind-raped Shepard. It's like one of two times in the game you don't have to talk to her nor accept what she does (that's called 'hyperbole' for you sensitive types out there).
I wouldn't put it past the writers to come up with a game containing Liara/Shepard offspring no matter who you romanced throughout the series, though.
Did Liara rape Shepard?
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#52
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 06:57
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While Liara is not my favourite character, I think that's taking it too far. Sure, she has issues with respecting boundaries, but ask anyone who has been raped what they think... and they'll tell you rape is nothing like this.
#54
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 07:58
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ashwind wrote...
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Yes, I headcannoned that last scene with her as her telling Shepard that she 'always loved them' (Regardless of if she was your LI or not) and that she secretly impregnanted herself with Shepard's baby.
...She deserves it though, Liara's such an awesome friend in ME3.
I was thinking about the same thing. Liara has been extra sweet to Shepard in ME3 and she has been hinting her feelings to Shepard all along.
But rape Shepard and secretly have his child....
In Liara's own words: Must you all make it sound so... tawdry
That's my own issue here: I respect other players headcanons since that stuff is needed to bear the endings and such - but can't imagine something like that for my Shepard.
IF BW decides to present us one of Liara's children in ME4 that claims to be a child of "The Shepard", I might ragekill my keyboard, for more than one reason. The two most prominent reasons are:
- Shepard cheated on his/her LI without knowing it.
- Liara's character got murdered.
I wasn't the biggest fan of her in ME1 or ME2, but really liked her in ME3. Making her "stealing Shepard's essence" to get pregnant with his/her child is so incredible low and dishonoring her character, I can't imagine why her writers would even consider this idea.
That being said I need to rephrase my headcanon: Liara respects Shepard's wish to be with Ashley. She won't trick him to get pregnant with his child, no way.
#55
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 08:12
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Lolwhut?
I assumed it was something with the Asari afterlife, or their view on it or whatever.
Even if saving Shepard's genetic...whatever, is handy, I suppose, it'd be seriously creepy if Shepard turns out to live through the ending and is greeted by a "Oh, btw... I'm going to have your child." None of my Shepards are interested in having children.
Either way, if it'd turn out to be true, I would be extremly pissed off. Because I avoided Liara's romance in all games. If the next ME game would be about Liara and Shepard's child. Just. No.
I assumed it was something with the Asari afterlife, or their view on it or whatever.
Even if saving Shepard's genetic...whatever, is handy, I suppose, it'd be seriously creepy if Shepard turns out to live through the ending and is greeted by a "Oh, btw... I'm going to have your child." None of my Shepards are interested in having children.
Either way, if it'd turn out to be true, I would be extremly pissed off. Because I avoided Liara's romance in all games. If the next ME game would be about Liara and Shepard's child. Just. No.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:31
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rudenotginger wrote...
While Liara is not my favourite character, I think that's taking it too far. Sure, she has issues with respecting boundaries, but ask anyone who has been raped what they think... and they'll tell you rape is nothing like this.
-is a victim of childhood abuse and rape-
-still thought of this question/topic-
#57
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:08
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Lots of speculation for everyone!
Someone had to do it.
Someone had to do it.
#58
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:15
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one point you need to remember is that asari tend not to have children until they are like over 300 years old because they live off three stages of life which is maiden -0-320 (forgot what the middle stage is called - 320 up to 750 and matriarch till they die.
and the middle stage of life of an asari is when they settle down and have children. (and liara is nowhere near 300 years old yet)
but they can choose to progress to the next stage when they want but considering Liara constantly goes i am only 109 I doubt she considers herself ready for children yet.
I can imagine she is closer to that stage considering in ME2 and ME3 she mentions blue children if you romanced her but naturally if you did not romance her she does not mention it even though its obvious she still wants to be with you.
and the middle stage of life of an asari is when they settle down and have children. (and liara is nowhere near 300 years old yet)
but they can choose to progress to the next stage when they want but considering Liara constantly goes i am only 109 I doubt she considers herself ready for children yet.
I can imagine she is closer to that stage considering in ME2 and ME3 she mentions blue children if you romanced her but naturally if you did not romance her she does not mention it even though its obvious she still wants to be with you.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 11:54
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I can't believe people are taking this seriously...
#60
Posté 29 mars 2012 - 12:10
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I would not buy such a game, no matter how good the game play, I would just find the retconning to offensive.CptData wrote...
ashwind wrote...
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Yes, I headcannoned that last scene with her as her telling Shepard that she 'always loved them' (Regardless of if she was your LI or not) and that she secretly impregnanted herself with Shepard's baby.
...She deserves it though, Liara's such an awesome friend in ME3.
I was thinking about the same thing. Liara has been extra sweet to Shepard in ME3 and she has been hinting her feelings to Shepard all along.
But rape Shepard and secretly have his child....
In Liara's own words: Must you all make it sound so... tawdry
That's my own issue here: I respect other players headcanons since that stuff is needed to bear the endings and such - but can't imagine something like that for my Shepard.
IF BW decides to present us one of Liara's children in ME4 that claims to be a child of "The Shepard", I might ragekill my keyboard, for more than one reason. The two most prominent reasons are:
- Shepard cheated on his/her LI without knowing it.
- Liara's character got murdered.
I wasn't the biggest fan of her in ME1 or ME2, but really liked her in ME3. Making her "stealing Shepard's essence" to get pregnant with his/her child is so incredible low and dishonoring her character, I can't imagine why her writers would even consider this idea.
That being said I need to rephrase my headcanon: Liara respects Shepard's wish to be with Ashley. She won't trick him to get pregnant with his child, no way.
As for a Shep in another romance, one would hope Liara would respect a single Sheps wishes to not be with her and not father any child of hers also.
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Posté 29 mars 2012 - 12:11
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I would like to politely suggest changing the title of the thread...discussing the significance of the 'gift' scene and what Liara is/is not capable of is an interesting and worthy discussion, whether you think it has anything to do with babies or not (like, I think the idea about the asari version of the afterlife is interesting too). But I think we can all agree that what Liara did was not an act of sexual violence, and it's a little uncomfortable to have such a triggering word attached to the discussion.
In real life, stealing a man's semen for reproductive purposes isn't called rape. No reason why it should be here. Just my two cents.
In real life, stealing a man's semen for reproductive purposes isn't called rape. No reason why it should be here. Just my two cents.
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Posté 29 mars 2012 - 12:13
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After what BW has done with Liara, sadly though it seems a ridiculous thought, I just wouldn't put it past BW to try and enforce a child productive union between Shep and Liara...I do seriously think BW could try for a 'Look it's Shep and Liara's love child' in any future ME game.Obvakhi wrote...
I can't believe people are taking this seriously...
#64
Posté 29 mars 2012 - 12:17
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See OP that was my first thought too Asari do it a whole lot differently so I would imagine yes if it was like she did with shep to get his memories but no if it was done like Feros girl did she shoved her memories into shep's mind so I doubt she got anything out of it and shep just ended up really confused. In either case shep is still confused when Liara is done, I did ask her the next playthrough because I wasn't sure if I just cheated on my LI with her she said it was a gift and she was giving me her memories yet we don't see any of it which I don't like, if I saw say that moment with Benezia where she was wearing yellow and took young Liara to that temple then I could say yes she was just giving shep info not taking (sex) info from him.
I also fail to see what value this has to shep he's confused at the end of it which suggest his mind has zero clue as to what just happened to it shep gets pieces not the whole block of info so her sharing the memories with him doesn't do a whole lot for him. I suppose for her its a comfort thing she knows he at least has an imprint of her on his mind in a larger sense then before.
I also fail to see what value this has to shep he's confused at the end of it which suggest his mind has zero clue as to what just happened to it shep gets pieces not the whole block of info so her sharing the memories with him doesn't do a whole lot for him. I suppose for her its a comfort thing she knows he at least has an imprint of her on his mind in a larger sense then before.
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Posté 29 mars 2012 - 12:31
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I think rape is way too strong of a word to be used in this context. It is a violation but not rape. I would not consider it rape if a woman lied about taking birth control and her partner consented to sex, not knowing this fact. Also, if people are so upset/worried about this, then why not just reject her gift. There have been plenty of times throughout different Bioware series where I have been like "Aw crap... I didn't mean to flirt with that person" or "aw, if I chose that it meant that I can't do this" and I just go back to a previous save and change my choice. Why should this be any different if it does turn out that Liara took your genetic imprint?
I personally don't think she did with a non romanced Shepard and the only way I could see it as a possibility for a romanced one was if during the scene she mentally explained what she was doing and they understood it and maybe we as players just weren't privy to it.
I personally don't think she did with a non romanced Shepard and the only way I could see it as a possibility for a romanced one was if during the scene she mentally explained what she was doing and they understood it and maybe we as players just weren't privy to it.
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Posté 29 mars 2012 - 12:34
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Artisall wrote...
I think rape is way too strong of a word to be used
Yes.. it is. There is a severe lack of understanding or appreciation for the significance of this word and it's meaning by members of this forum... or frankly most people in general who throw it around as jargon <_<
#68
Posté 29 mars 2012 - 12:58
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I think it was more Shepard giving her a pity f*ck than anything really.
#69
Posté 29 mars 2012 - 01:41
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Yep, she mindraped you. Blue rapebabies whether you want them or not.
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Posté 29 mars 2012 - 01:53
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nice way to go being mind F***********, or R******, my dad was a krogan and I do head but walls, plus other things, who wouldn't mind F******* Femshep ___ JH
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Posté 29 mars 2012 - 01:54
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Chrillze wrote...
Liara: Don't ye worry I be a doctor! HAHAHA
Shepard: Nooooooooooo!!!
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!
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Posté 29 mars 2012 - 02:22
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Lime The Dragon wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
Liara: Don't ye worry I be a doctor! HAHAHA
Shepard: Nooooooooooo!!!
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!
Win.
#73
Posté 29 mars 2012 - 02:36
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CptData wrote...
ashwind wrote...
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Yes, I headcannoned that last scene with her as her telling Shepard that she 'always loved them' (Regardless of if she was your LI or not) and that she secretly impregnanted herself with Shepard's baby.
...She deserves it though, Liara's such an awesome friend in ME3.
I was thinking about the same thing. Liara has been extra sweet to Shepard in ME3 and she has been hinting her feelings to Shepard all along.
But rape Shepard and secretly have his child....
In Liara's own words: Must you all make it sound so... tawdry
That's my own issue here: I respect other players headcanons since that stuff is needed to bear the endings and such - but can't imagine something like that for my Shepard.
IF BW decides to present us one of Liara's children in ME4 that claims to be a child of "The Shepard", I might ragekill my keyboard, for more than one reason. The two most prominent reasons are:
- Shepard cheated on his/her LI without knowing it.
- Liara's character got murdered.
I wasn't the biggest fan of her in ME1 or ME2, but really liked her in ME3. Making her "stealing Shepard's essence" to get pregnant with his/her child is so incredible low and dishonoring her character, I can't imagine why her writers would even consider this idea.
That being said I need to rephrase my headcanon: Liara respects Shepard's wish to be with Ashley. She won't trick him to get pregnant with his child, no way.
Hence why it's headcanon, more specifically, my headcanon.
Given the factor of Liara's 'love' or 'obsession' with Shepard, and the fact Shepard could easily not survive the war with the reapers, I totally see Liara taking Shepard's 'essence' to impregnante herself.
It's not really cheating in my mind, given how Asari physiology works, it'd be more like a sperm donation or something.
Like I said, it's my headcanon.
But I do think it was intended to 'hint' that Liara's 'gift' was indeed Liara telling Shepard that she always loved them, hence explaining why we never actually SEE any memories, and the weird look on Shepard's face after the event (Also Liara's unwillingness to talk after it). I just think it'd be sweet.
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Posté 29 mars 2012 - 04:50
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Oh boy, here it is again. BW playing favorites with the Liara, and a war over what could have happened.
Quick thought for all ya, in ME2 My Shepard was an @ss hole to Miranda and I made him that way. He chose to say the most @sshole sh!t to that b!tch. But in ME3 it's being forced on me that MY Shep and Miranda are "friends" Because I say we are in all the stupid autodialogue and Cr@p.
So BW forcing a way for all Shep's to get Liara knocked up like this I don't put it past them to do something this sick.
My Shepard hated Miranda and DID NOT respect her and treated her like sh!t. In ME3 it's forced on me that they are friends.
In ME3 it's forced on FemShep's that they're cool with Jacob T. getting some chick knocked up and it's a nice idea to name the kid after Shepard. WTF?
So No I don't put it past BW to use some excuse like Liara Mind Rape Shep to have his kid.
In which case my Shepard and his lover Samara would hunt Liara down and kill her and the baby would be flushed out into Space with Normandy's Garbage as My Shep was raped to create that abomination, it's only fair he delivers Justice and Punishes the wicked Liara and her kid.
Quick thought for all ya, in ME2 My Shepard was an @ss hole to Miranda and I made him that way. He chose to say the most @sshole sh!t to that b!tch. But in ME3 it's being forced on me that MY Shep and Miranda are "friends" Because I say we are in all the stupid autodialogue and Cr@p.
So BW forcing a way for all Shep's to get Liara knocked up like this I don't put it past them to do something this sick.
My Shepard hated Miranda and DID NOT respect her and treated her like sh!t. In ME3 it's forced on me that they are friends.
In ME3 it's forced on FemShep's that they're cool with Jacob T. getting some chick knocked up and it's a nice idea to name the kid after Shepard. WTF?
So No I don't put it past BW to use some excuse like Liara Mind Rape Shep to have his kid.
In which case my Shepard and his lover Samara would hunt Liara down and kill her and the baby would be flushed out into Space with Normandy's Garbage as My Shep was raped to create that abomination, it's only fair he delivers Justice and Punishes the wicked Liara and her kid.
#75
Posté 29 mars 2012 - 04:53
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God this crap never ends.
The only way it may stand a chance of ending is if BW shows as much attention to all other LI's as they have Liara, only long after that happens and long after Liara stops getting more time than any other ME character will there be a slim chance of it stoping. If you want it to stop appeal to BW to do something about it.
