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[Durontan]

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

So you want to see plot holes?

Okey. So as that final conversation starts the Super wonder God child says he controls the reapers. His exact words are CONTROLS them, and now all of a sudden Shepard is given 3 choices and can't even make a case about some other 4th choice of co-existance. But fine, I can accept that they forgot to explain that the kid is only an AI and not a God-child that really controls them.

Okey, so my Shepard decides on one of the three colors... oh wait 3 totally different endings where he/she sacrifices himself/herself. In all three endings Mass relays explode. Okey, awesome! Mass relay explosion has been said throughout the series (Arrival best example) of what happens when Mass relays explode. SUPERNOVA! **** yea! Shepard just became biggest mass murderer and butcher of the galaxy, bigger then Reapers in this cycle. Fine, fine, I can accept that this is not the same explosion and it didn't go Supernova, again they forgot to explain that (hence the MEDIOCRITY of the ending).

But what I LOVED the most was seeing Normandy and Joker running through mass relay and when it crashed OH LOOK! My LI who was on a suicide run with me on Earth is all of a sudden there on the planet with Joker and EDI is hugging him... wait WHAT! Joker was with the fleet fighting the reapers! My squad was on Earth fighting to get to Citadel. Yes... hmmm... Oh to hell with it, this one I can't explain, MAJOR PLOT HOLE!

Half-sarcasm off. I am really tired of explaining people all the plot holes that endings have.

[Sirakou]

I agree with the OP.

Basically, the only arguments I see against the ending is that it is not what people wanted. It was different, and people got scared. StarChild, yeah, probably a Reaper trick, but I don't see the huge, gaping plotholes that everyone else is screaming about.

[tjc2]

K1llm1n1on wrote...

tjc2 wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

Look just because you post a "Wall of Text" doesn't mean people are going to take their time to rewrite the millions of posts showing the problems with the endings. Go through this board and each of the holes will be explained to you in hundreds of ways:mellow:

Listen, if people want to take issue with my wall of text they could be real about it and explain what they mean, not just take pot shots because they disagree with me but don't have the patience or clarity of thought to back it up.

If you don't care enough about your viewpoint to defend it, why say anything at all?

If you think everyone is wrong, why don't you go through all the explanations of the plot holes and then write another Wall of Text about how they are not plot holes. You either are trolling or are a contrarian, most likely both...

[Vromrig]

Sirakou wrote...

I agree with the OP.

Basically, the only arguments I see against the ending is that it is not what people wanted. It was different, and people got scared. StarChild, yeah, probably a Reaper trick, but I don't see the huge, gaping plotholes that everyone else is screaming about.

Clever Troll attempt.

Curious to see if people bite.

[Chernaya]

DJBare wrote...

Zhen-Lin wrote...
Hi, Omiloohiile, See the icon under the man who started this topic? He only has ME3. And he is telling us that he played through ME from the first game. How can he played through all of them if he doesn't even own ME1 and ME2? Because he is a bioware employee, he is here to making excuse for their poor ending and try to rally some support. Therefore, it is really no need for us to respond his non-sense. Keep this top cold.

Huh, lets not go with conspiracy theories please, if that were a Bioware employee he'd have been more convincing by having nearly all the reg badges, though reg for ME1 is not required, but the fact he is missing ME2 is a little telling, so I question that he has played the entire series.

I don't have 2 registered and I'veplayed the whole series. I don't think the little icons are really any kind of proof of what the OP has played, but that's just me. D:

[heathxxx]

I'm "OK" with the ending(s) to a certain degree...

...but is "OK" really good enough?

Unfortunately though, if you watched the linked video, the final "word", is pretty much what we ended up with too.

"Lots of speculation", in other words...

[K1llm1n1on]

demin8891 wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

I suggest you look in any given thread in the Story and Campaign Discussion board for your answer. The problems most people have with the ending are many in number and have been said many, many, many times before.

I am. I just beat the game and have been avoiding visiting the forums for fear of having it spoiled.

I've read through a bunch of the threads against the ending, but I'm just getting a generalized hate vibe.
I'm sure a lot of you guys have been arguing about this for some time now and don't want to go back through it again.

I'm just trying to get a sense of what people are so pissed off about, but something more than just. "it sucked. damn you, evil BioWare, for screwing us all with your half- baked overpriced filth."

[Durontan]

Vromrig wrote...

Sirakou wrote...

I agree with the OP.

Basically, the only arguments I see against the ending is that it is not what people wanted. It was different, and people got scared. StarChild, yeah, probably a Reaper trick, but I don't see the huge, gaping plotholes that everyone else is screaming about.

Clever Troll attempt.

Curious to see if people bite.

Specially as it was written just post after a short summary of SOME of the plot holes. I didn't even go into state of galaxy and vanished galaxy sword fleet.

[wantedman dan]

Two words condensed into an acronym: DLC.

Destroys your arguments about Artistic Integrity.

[DJBare]

K1llm1n1on wrote...
I'm just trying to get a sense of what people are so pissed off about, but something more than just. "it sucked. damn you, evil BioWare, for screwing us all with your half- baked overpriced filth."

Please allow me to oblige

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[Ryan546]

demin8891 wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

tjc2 wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

Look just because you post a "Wall of Text" doesn't mean people are going to take their time to rewrite the millions of posts showing the problems with the endings. Go through this board and each of the holes will be explained to you in hundreds of ways:mellow:

Listen, if people want to take issue with my wall of text they could be real about it and explain what they mean, not just take pot shots because they disagree with me but don't have the patience or clarity of thought to back it up.

If you don't care enough about your viewpoint to defend it, why say anything at all?

Because if you had taken twenty seconds to use the search feature instead of ask people to give you an answer that's right under your nose, you would understand. I'm not going to explain anything to you when much more eloquent people than I have already done so hundreds of times.

bump and OP you can't just waltz in, spit out the artistic integrity argument/ it's so deep and expect anyone here to give you the time of day.  anybody who is a regular on the forums have heard arguments just like yours and still don't find that to be proper justification

[Sirakou]

Durontan wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

So you want to see plot holes?

Okey. So as that final conversation starts the Super wonder God child says he controls the reapers. His exact words are CONTROLS them, and now all of a sudden Shepard is given 3 choices and can't even make a case about some other 4th choice of co-existance. But fine, I can accept that they forgot to explain that the kid is only an AI and not a God-child that really controls them.

Okey, so my Shepard decides on one of the three colors... oh wait 3 totally different endings where he/she sacrifices himself/herself. In all three endings Mass relays explode. Okey, awesome! Mass relay explosion has been said throughout the series (Arrival best example) of what happens when Mass relays explode. SUPERNOVA! **** yea! Shepard just became biggest mass murderer and butcher of the galaxy, bigger then Reapers in this cycle. Fine, fine, I can accept that this is not the same explosion and it didn't go Supernova, again they forgot to explain that (hence the MEDIOCRITY of the ending).

But what I LOVED the most was seeing Normandy and Joker running through mass relay and when it crashed OH LOOK! My LI who was on a suicide run with me on Earth is all of a sudden there on the planet with Joker and EDI is hugging him... wait WHAT! Joker was with the fleet fighting the reapers! My squad was on Earth fighting to get to Citadel. Yes... hmmm... Oh to hell with it, this one I can't explain, MAJOR PLOT HOLE!

Half-sarcasm off. I am really tired of explaining people all the plot holes that endings have.

StarChild/GodChild whatever was already stated in last post.
Three different endings having a very similar outcome? Because we all know that similarity and plothole are the same thing.
Normandy "running" away from blast? Minor plothole at best, nowhere near HUGE. As for crew that I supposedly took with me? Assumed they got evacuated rather than ran for the beacon.

[crimzontearz]

you OK with massive plotholes and grimdark endings and lies? we are not.

[SandSkorpion]

Zhen-Lin wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

We don't necessarily want snapshots of the team at a club. We want an ending that make sense.

Hi, Omiloohiile, See the icon under the man who started this topic? He only has ME3. And he is telling us that he played through ME from the first game. How can he played through all of them if he doesn't even own ME1 and ME2? Because he is a bioware employee, he is here to making excuse for their poor ending and try to rally some support. Therefore, it is really no need for us to respond his non-sense. Keep this top cold.

Great post OP. My experience with the game/endings were very similar to yours. Don't expect much support from these forums because they're full of people like the one I quoted in bold above.

Zhen-Lin: Good job jumping to conclusions...you fail to realize that not everyone needs to sign up and register their games TO PLAY the game. I have ME on steam, ME2 on PS3 and their not badged on my profile...SO WHAT.

You should not be taken seriously in any posts you make.

[Anaki86]

Interesting post OP. Very colorful, indeed. As everyone here is saying, you can find the plot holes all over the forum as well as the internet. However, they are more nit picks that actual plot holes. I wouldn't worry about it.

Glad you liked the game.

[K1llm1n1on]

Durontan wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

So you want to see plot holes?

Okey. So as that final conversation starts the Super wonder God child says he controls the reapers. His exact words are CONTROLS them, and now all of a sudden Shepard is given 3 choices and can't even make a case about some other 4th choice of co-existance. But fine, I can accept that they forgot to explain that the kid is only an AI and not a God-child that really controls them.

Okey, so my Shepard decides on one of the three colors... oh wait 3 totally different endings where he/she sacrifices himself/herself. In all three endings Mass relays explode. Okey, awesome! Mass relay explosion has been said throughout the series (Arrival best example) of what happens when Mass relays explode. SUPERNOVA! **** yea! Shepard just became biggest mass murderer and butcher of the galaxy, bigger then Reapers in this cycle. Fine, fine, I can accept that this is not the same explosion and it didn't go Supernova, again they forgot to explain that (hence the MEDIOCRITY of the ending).

But what I LOVED the most was seeing Normandy and Joker running through mass relay and when it crashed OH LOOK! My LI who was on a suicide run with me on Earth is all of a sudden there on the planet with Joker and EDI is hugging him... wait WHAT! Joker was with the fleet fighting the reapers! My squad was on Earth fighting to get to Citadel. Yes... hmmm... Oh to hell with it, this one I can't explain, MAJOR PLOT HOLE!

Half-sarcasm off. I am really tired of explaining people all the plot holes that endings have.

OK, I know my OP was really long, but I hit on a couple of these there.

I can understand the whole "what the hell?" reaction to the kid/entity- I thought it was weird also, but I also didn't think that whole scene was totally literal.

The other choices argument boils down to this for me: You came here to activate the Crucible, not really knowing what it was going to do. The kid/vi/entity/whatever explains it. If you're going to complete your mission, which is activating the Crucible, you have to choose.

The Mass Relay exploding thing, they show the relays getting surrounded by some kind of energy before they are destroyed. It's pretty clear that this is containing the force of their explosion to protect nearby systems.

I see the scene with the Normandy as Joker trying to outrun the green energy wave, which seems to me he saw spreading out at the battle, not knowing what is was, and was trying to get to a safe distance. They just didn't show the Normandy as it left Earth, but I do't think it was just inexplicably out in the middle of space.

[Devil Mingy]

To each his own, OP. I'm happy you like them, and I mean that. I do not agree, though. I won't state my reasons here, simply because I'm not really adding anything unique that won't be found in the other topics. My grievances are pretty common.

However, I will add one thing.

The Mass Relay exploding thing, they show the relays getting
surrounded by some kind of energy before they are destroyed. It's pretty
clear that this is containing the force of their explosion to protect
nearby systems.

It wasn't made clear enough, because I sure as hell didn't pick up on it. In fact, the colored waves seems pretty far spread to me. Given how the rest of the game (and the entire series) has never been particularly subtle with key points, and I find it hard to believe they'd start at the last 10 minutes. It's one of the reasons why I don't believe in the Indoctrination Theory and have a hard time trying to perceive the endings as abstract and figurative. At best, it clashes with the tone of everything that came before it. At worst, it muddles the story in an incoherent haze at the worst possible time.

Modifié par Devil Mingy, 27 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Sirakou wrote...

Durontan wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

So you want to see plot holes?

Okey. So as that final conversation starts the Super wonder God child says he controls the reapers. His exact words are CONTROLS them, and now all of a sudden Shepard is given 3 choices and can't even make a case about some other 4th choice of co-existance. But fine, I can accept that they forgot to explain that the kid is only an AI and not a God-child that really controls them.

Okey, so my Shepard decides on one of the three colors... oh wait 3 totally different endings where he/she sacrifices himself/herself. In all three endings Mass relays explode. Okey, awesome! Mass relay explosion has been said throughout the series (Arrival best example) of what happens when Mass relays explode. SUPERNOVA! **** yea! Shepard just became biggest mass murderer and butcher of the galaxy, bigger then Reapers in this cycle. Fine, fine, I can accept that this is not the same explosion and it didn't go Supernova, again they forgot to explain that (hence the MEDIOCRITY of the ending).

But what I LOVED the most was seeing Normandy and Joker running through mass relay and when it crashed OH LOOK! My LI who was on a suicide run with me on Earth is all of a sudden there on the planet with Joker and EDI is hugging him... wait WHAT! Joker was with the fleet fighting the reapers! My squad was on Earth fighting to get to Citadel. Yes... hmmm... Oh to hell with it, this one I can't explain, MAJOR PLOT HOLE!

Half-sarcasm off. I am really tired of explaining people all the plot holes that endings have.

Normandy "running" away from blast? Minor plothole at best, nowhere near HUGE.

It's a massive plot hole. The Normandy is in space, with Hackett on board, the fleet's command center and the most important asset in Sword Fleet. Suddenly, without any explanation, against the characters of pretty much everyone on board, and without any sort of feasible reasoning, it's fleeing the battle. 

As for crew that I supposedly took with me? Assumed they got evacuated rather than ran for the beacon.

The key word there is 'assumed'. If you have to assume somenthing, it's a plot hole, and there are A LOT of plot holes. 

They run with you. They die. WIthout explanation, they appear unharmed on the Normandy. The Normandy crashes on a planet which can't feesibly exist. 

Plot hole. 

[Pee Jae]

Here's the crucial thing. The bottom line for most anyone regardless of whether or not you liked the endings. Replay value. The endings pretty much take everything you've done in the entirety of three games and tosses it right out the window. No matter what you've done, or how you play, you get the same endings with slight variations. Shep dies, (yes, yes, brief breath cutscene) relays explode, Normandy marooned. It's so depressing, people are saying they have no will to import all of their saved games. Or they play through once and return or trade it in.

The endings suck all replay value out of the entire series. More endings, more options, yes a happy ending or 3 would greatly alleviate this problem.

[Vromrig]

Plot holes rather simple:

Inconsistent story revelation. Reaper testimony inconsistent with testimony of Star Child.

Shepard's attire inconsistent with blast. But more importantly, communication also inconsistent.

Characters state no one making it to pillar of light. Comment on your death even as you are walking.

Characters not on Normandy, on Normandy.

Anderson ahead of you, despite claiming to follow behind you.

No explanation given for Catalyst or Crucible.

[cavs25]

Someone post the youtube video "top 10 reasons why we hate the ending"


Edit: There

Modifié par cavs25, 27 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[K1llm1n1on]

tjc2 wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

tjc2 wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

Look just because you post a "Wall of Text" doesn't mean people are going to take their time to rewrite the millions of posts showing the problems with the endings. Go through this board and each of the holes will be explained to you in hundreds of ways:mellow:

Listen, if people want to take issue with my wall of text they could be real about it and explain what they mean, not just take pot shots because they disagree with me but don't have the patience or clarity of thought to back it up.

If you don't care enough about your viewpoint to defend it, why say anything at all?

If you think everyone is wrong, why don't you go through all the explanations of the plot holes and then write another Wall of Text about how they are not plot holes. You either are trolling or are a contrarian, most likely both...

I don't think everyone is wrong.
If I did, I wouldn't have bothered trying to start a conversation. I'm just saying, I heard there was a big hoopla over the ending, I just beat the game, I was cool with it, and I wanted to hear what people were so upset about. I'm not trying to deny anyone their opinions, and I'm willing to look at my own opinions and see if they are solid.

[Rob_Nix]

OP needs to learn how to read.

[AkeasharK]

DJBare wrote...

Zhen-Lin wrote...
Hi, Omiloohiile, See the icon under the man who started this topic? He only has ME3. And he is telling us that he played through ME from the first game. How can he played through all of them if he doesn't even own ME1 and ME2? Because he is a bioware employee, he is here to making excuse for their poor ending and try to rally some support. Therefore, it is really no need for us to respond his non-sense. Keep this top cold.

Huh, lets not go with conspiracy theories please, if that were a Bioware employee he'd have been more convincing by having nearly all the reg badges, though reg for ME1 is not required, but the fact he is missing ME2 is a little telling, so I question that he has played the entire series.

Nope. It just means that the registration system is broken. For example, mine is split between two BSN accounts, even tho all the game registration has been transferred to one. If you look at Akeashar, it has the ME2 badge, and AkeasharK it has the ME3 badge. And this was after I got EA to transfer everything to the one account. You can't judge ownership by the little badges people have.

Also, people seem to mean 'Bioware didn't hold my hand and show me every little detail of every little second' to mean 'Plot Hole'. By the way a lot of people here use it in relation to the endings, the fact you didn't see Ashley/Kaiden and James getting to the Normandy and flying over, is a plot hole. Or Grunt's sudden reappearance on Rannoch. "But I just saw him fall off a cliff!"

I'd hate to see what the response to Planescape: Torment's ending would be with the audience nowdays.

[K1llm1n1on]

wantedman dan wrote...

Two words condensed into an acronym: DLC.

Destroys your arguments about Artistic Integrity.

How so?