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[Geneaux486]

t_skwerl wrote...

Rather than go around in circles, I'll just link this too:

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

While biased, thereby making my point for me, it nevertheless is a good read and hits the major points we're all trying to make.

So you're linking me to something else, expecting me to read and respond to it, effectively doing more work than you're doing and citing something you can't be bothered to site yourself.  Use your words dude, not your links.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 27 mars 2012 - 02:24 .

[SpideyKnight]

K1llm1n1on wrote...

tjc2 wrote...

K1llm1n1on wrote...

demin8891 wrote...

Summary for those who don't want to read this massive wall of text: Artistic integrity.

I'm glad you liked it, OP. I really am. I'm just incapable of accepting mediocrity and plot holes the size of the Collector Base.

What specifically are your referring to when you say mediocrity? What plot holes do you see?

Look just because you post a "Wall of Text" doesn't mean people are going to take their time to rewrite the millions of posts showing the problems with the endings. Go through this board and each of the holes will be explained to you in hundreds of ways:mellow:

Listen, if people want to take issue with my wall of text they could be real about it and explain what they mean, not just take pot shots because they disagree with me but don't have the patience or clarity of thought to back it up.

If you don't care enough about your viewpoint to defend it, why say anything at all?

They may not defend their viewpoint, but I shall defend mine.  I've typed this out a million times though so, first watch Angry Joe do it for me:

 

Then read:

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/ 


Questions?

Modifié par SpideyKnight, 27 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[Lookout1390]

Geneaux486 wrote...

"There's my point. Bioware didn't explain that. Everything said in this
forum post is SPECULATION made by the fans. If Bioware meant it that
way, they would have said something, or had an epologue, or a Codex
entry that you could read. Everything said thus far ISN'T PROVEN. That's
my personal problem with it. Bioware just left us in the dark, and this
was to be the CONCLUSION of the series? I want a conclusion that, well,
actually concludes the story."

Ironically saying that because Bioware didn't outright state it, it isn't true, is speculation in and of itself. The arguments I make are backed up with in-game evidence. *Some* of it is speculation, some is simple observation. Additionally- why am I even bothering, you're just going to write this off as speculation as well. Ah well, nothing wrong with occasional acts of futility.

Plot-Holes

[Cheviot]

James9749 wrote...

Cheviot wrote...

James9749 wrote...

Cheviot wrote...

James9749 wrote...

Sirakou wrote...

I still cannot wrap my head around everyone saying the relay should have supernova'd. Yes, that happens when you smash an asteroid into it. But when a signal gets sent out from the Citadel, same "unknown" type of technology, its not going to react the same way.

If you smash a battery with a hammer, its going to be bad and messy. Dispose of battery properly, much more contained reaction. Why can't the same thing happen here?

Then why did the Normandy crash if it was a more contained explosion? In either case, whether you believe the Relay's go supernova and destroy a system, and hence would make the Normandy crash or desintigrate from the explosion and wipe out all galactic life that lived near the explosion, or if you believed it was more contained, and wouldn't destroy galactic civilization, then why would the Normandy crash if it was this "contained" explosion?
I'll continue my point of view in a latter post. I just wanted to reply to this guy.

Because it wasn't the explosion that damaged the Normandy, it was the collapse of the mass effect corridor it was in.

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
First page and already you got called a Bioware employee by the retake movement.

Has anyone called you a troll yet OP? I just skipped to the end after I saw that Bioware Employee thing.

No one's called the OP a troll, but I think someone who agreed with him was accused of being one, on page 2.

There is still the Blue explosion, which doesn't fit within this logic. You don't see the Citadel or the relay fire a beam, and it only takes control of the Reapers. I played the "control" ending, and the relays weren't shown being destroyed, yet they used the same Galactic explosions as Destroy and Synthesis, which wouldn't make sense. Even if it did make sense, the relays would still be intact, and the Normandy wouldn't be chased by the collapse of the Mass effect corridor because.... The relays are still intact.

You're right there is no beam (the blue shockwave reaches the relay instead), but the relay does still blow up (though not as violently as in other endings), and there are still beams passed between relays.  This may be because this is the only ending in which the Citadel  sticks around, so it can continue to broadcast the order, negating the need for the beam from Crucible to the first relay.

There's my point. Bioware didn't explain that. Everything said in this forum post is SPECULATION made by the fans. If Bioware meant it that way, they would have said something, or had an epologue, or a Codex entry that you could read. Everything said thus far ISN'T PROVEN. That's my personal problem with it. Bioware just left us in the dark, and this was to be the CONCLUSION of the series? I want a conclusion that, well, actually concludes the story.

At it's heart, the ending is very, very definite on what happens: Shepard succeeds at defeating the Reapers, but at the cost of his own life.  The series has a clear conclusion in that respect. 

As I've hope I've shown, the evidence is there to explore the events around the ending too. 

[Jackal7713]

Great you liked it op. A lot of people didn't.

[K1llm1n1on]

Some here are saying that the ending is bad because it requires speculation to reconcile the events logically. Outcomes are pretty commonly not disambiguated in books and movies. We're not as used to that in the gamer world, but it's a thing, not a sign of a crappy ending. You can like it or not, but it's not unheard of for an ending to leave you with questions, sometimes more than you had going in.

[Pee Jae]

Geneaux486 wrote...

t_skwerl wrote...

Rather than go around in circles, I'll just link this too:

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

While biased, thereby making my point for me, it nevertheless is a good read and hits the major points we're all trying to make.

So you're linking me to something else, expecting me to read and respond to it, effectively doing more work than you're doing and citing something you can't be bothered to site yourself.  Use your words dude, not your links.

My words would essentially boil down to the same as yours. "I'm right, you're wrong. Ad infinitum, ad nasuseum." Aka we can agree that we disagree.

[James9749]

I still say, even though people have plenty of good and solid viewpoints, opinions, and hard facts to back it, I just want the OP to watch this video, and tell me to my face, that this is the 16 endings we were promised.

[SpideyKnight]

Cheviot wrote...

At it's heart, the ending is very, very definite on what happens: Shepard succeeds at defeating the Reapers, but at the cost of his own life.  The series has a clear conclusion in that respect. 

As I've hope I've shown, the evidence is there to explore the events around the ending too. 

That didn't happen in my game.  My Shepard is alive.  Well according to this file that's called "Shep-alive."  Clear conclusions, eh?

Modifié par SpideyKnight, 27 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[James9749]

SpideyKnight wrote...

Cheviot wrote...

At it's heart, the ending is very, very definite on what happens: Shepard succeeds at defeating the Reapers, but at the cost of his own life.  The series has a clear conclusion in that respect. 

As I've hope I've shown, the evidence is there to explore the events around the ending too. 

That didn't happen in my game.  My Shepard is alive.  Well according the this file that's called "Shep-alive."  Clear conclusions, eh?

Toche, my dear fellow, toche.

[Geneaux486]

t_skwerl wrote...

My words would essentially boil down to the same as yours. "I'm right, you're wrong. Ad infinitum, ad nasuseum." Aka we can agree that we disagree.

I can't know that I'm right because I wasn't on the developement team.  I am, however, confident in my arguments and the in-game evidence I back them up with.  But yes, if you want to simply agree to disagree, that's what we'll do.

[James9749]

Geneaux486 wrote...

t_skwerl wrote...

My words would essentially boil down to the same as yours. "I'm right, you're wrong. Ad infinitum, ad nasuseum." Aka we can agree that we disagree.

I can't know that I'm right because I wasn't on the developement team.  I am, however, confident in my arguments and the in-game evidence I back them up with.  But yes, if you want to simply agree to disagree, that's what we'll do.

Take this to a private message war. I want to get to the OP, but I can't through all of this hate-trash from both of you.

Sorry, didn't mean to sound harsh, but seriously, if you can only agree to dissagree, don't clog up the forums doing it.

Modifié par James9749, 27 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[Geneaux486]

James9749 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

t_skwerl wrote...

My words would essentially boil down to the same as yours. "I'm right, you're wrong. Ad infinitum, ad nasuseum." Aka we can agree that we disagree.

I can't know that I'm right because I wasn't on the developement team.  I am, however, confident in my arguments and the in-game evidence I back them up with.  But yes, if you want to simply agree to disagree, that's what we'll do.

Take this to a private message war. I want to get to the OP, but I can't through all of this hate-trash from both of you.

You're telling us to discuss the ending in a private message because you want to talk to the OP personally on a public forum.  What?

Modifié par Geneaux486, 27 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[cutegigi]

K1llm1n1on wrote...

The "That is what they promised" part I take issue with. Game devs are famous for over-promising on upcoming projects- Todd Howard, Peter Molyneaux, Muzyka, etc. Do you believe politicians' promises? They'll say anything to get you to support them.

Well, ME3 is a product that consumer need to buy.
What was advertised better be same with the final product.
Wouldnt you be angry when you buy one bucket of ice cream on the basis of promised content writen on the label/advertisement but the product inside the bucket is not what they promised? 

as for politician, they all can go to hell for all I care. I dont want to say the same to Bioware...

[James9749]

Geneaux486 wrote...

James9749 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

t_skwerl wrote...

My words would essentially boil down to the same as yours. "I'm right, you're wrong. Ad infinitum, ad nasuseum." Aka we can agree that we disagree.

I can't know that I'm right because I wasn't on the developement team.  I am, however, confident in my arguments and the in-game evidence I back them up with.  But yes, if you want to simply agree to disagree, that's what we'll do.

Take this to a private message war. I want to get to the OP, but I can't through all of this hate-trash from both of you.

So discuss the ending in a private message because you want to talk to the OP personally on a public forum.  What?

There you go again. Off topic. I want the OP to watch this video (because I can't show him the video otherwise) and then I want him to answer this question. Why did I hate the endings? Watch the video and see why.

[Pee Jae]

OP expressed his opinion publically. We are likewise expressing our opinions publically. Agreeing and disagreeing is pretty much the point. I see no hate here.

[Geneaux486]

t_skwerl wrote...

OP expressed his opinion publically. We are likewise expressing our opinions publically. Agreeing and disagreeing is pretty much the point. I see no hate here.

If anything we're now on a united front against the guy who wants us to stop talking so the thread can be about him.

[James9749]

I disliked the ending because it killed the replay value. Pure and simple.
Look at these radically different endings based on your choices.
This is all of them, I checked.

[James9749]

This is all the endings, subtracting the exiting scene after the Normandy crashed and Joker and the crew exit. when the crew exit in Blue and Red endings, it is the same. With green, it is slightly different.

Modifié par James9749, 27 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[Larryboy_Dragon]

Nice read OP.
Glad you enjoyed it.

[Larryboy_Dragon]

Pro-tip: Leave this forum for now.Many here seem to think that they are in some kind of real war, and anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy.

[James9749]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

Pro-tip: Leave this forum for now.Many here seem to think that they are in some kind of real war, and anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy.

Thanks for the heads up. 

[SouzaNZ]

"Lucas attempts to explain his newly minted bowel movement as bold! And extreme! Stylistic!" - Plinkett's 70 minute video review of The Phantom Menace. Part 7

Hiding under the banner of artistic integrity doesn't magically make your art any better. Terrible artists with integrity will produce terrible art.

[James9749]

t_skwerl wrote...

OP expressed his opinion publically. We are likewise expressing our opinions publically. Agreeing and disagreeing is pretty much the point. I see no hate here.

Also, great move with stealing my post. Glad you had something to steal from someone.

[SandSkorpion]

K1llm1n1on wrote...

SandSkorpion wrote...


No where near as Dramatic as the majority of posters here are being over the ending of a video game. Can't say that the artistic direction the developers steered the game towards invoked negative emotions...because it has been well been established on THESE forums that this game is not art and that artistic integrity does not apply.

I bet all of you 100 credits that if the endings where just how you imagined them...you'd all be singing praises on how artistic and moving this game was. You all are so upset with the ending that you are nitpicking every detail of the game..pointing out every inconsistency and making a fuss about it. It's ridiculous. There was a post earlier today about someone who fell into depression because of the ending. Other's post that video gaming has been ruined for them. Now THAT's dramatic.

I agree with the bulk of your post except the bit about games not being art (obviously you know this from my OP).
But I think that's why people are freaking out about the ending- they don't want it to be art, they just want a clean, rational, satisfying conclusion.
I'm in the arts and I am actually really happe that they made an ambiguous, complicated ending, and I'm really enamored of the idea of this dark age that some people call what will follow.
I've been noticing this popping up more in games lately, where the creators of the game are trying to elevate the genre and the players are flipping gigantic ****s over it.
I'm also with you that people are really overdoing it in their posts, but when doesn't something get ridiculous on forums?

Videogames are 100% art. I was using the false argument that was being splashed all over the forums when people mentioned the author's right to create his own work. Some say it isn't art..yet they are moved enough by it to express their like/dislike..pretty ironic.

I'm off to better things for the night. Once again, great post and have fun with those telling you how to feel about the game.

Modifié par SandSkorpion, 27 mars 2012 - 02:43 .