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[The Razman]

There's been something knocking around my head for a few days, but I just found the correct YouTube video to examine the situation properly and confirm it. We've all been assuming something incorrectly. Something major.

The Mass Relays do not get destroyed in every ending. In fact, they only get destroyed in the Destroy (red) and Synthesis (green) endings.

All the endings played side by side in this video allow us to clearly see the differences between the endings. And notably, you do not see two things occuring in the blue endings which happen in the others. The Citadel does not put out its beam of energy and subsequently is not destroyed, and the Sol System Relay does not explode. It does break apart, but the shot of it exploding is absent.

The explanation? Bioware have goofed. They never intended the assumption to be that the blue ending destroyed any mass relays ... but in using the same footage for most of the scenes, they neglected to make a new one (either through oversight or just lack of time; speculation) which shows the relay firing its pulse without breaking apart afterwards. But the intention seems to be clear ... the difference between the blue endings and the others is scenes of destruction being omitted.

The relay network is intact with the Control endings.

EDIT: Some have said that the Starchild says directly that all endings destroy the relays. What he actually says is: "Releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle, but will also destroy the mass relays."

This backs up what I'm saying here precisely. The Citadel/Crucible does not release its energy in the Control ending. You very clearly see the arms of the Citadel closing, its beam is never released, and the Citadel is never destroyed.

Modifié par The Razman, 27 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[The Razman]

By the way, nobody seems interested judging by the lack of responses before this thread hit the second page ... but if Bioware confirm this with their "clarity" DLC ... there will be smugness. Just warnin' ya. ;-)

[MingWolf]

Been playing that through a few times. Interesting observation. The break apart of the mass relays still gave me the impression that they were destroyed, but after seeing another video with the "blue" ending, it does seem conspicuous that the full explosion scene is absent.

[Zalbik]

The Razman wrote...

The explanation? Bioware have goofed.

We know

[The Razman]

Zalbik wrote...

The Razman wrote...

The explanation? Bioware have goofed.

We know

The hilarity.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Dude the mass relays explode in ALL the endings. The only difference is that for some reason in the Blue color ending we don't see the shockwave, but the scene where we see the relays break apart and get destroyed is the same for everyone.

And if that doesn't do it for you, the very next scene we get to see the same galaxy map for every ending, and all the shockwaves are visible in all the endings, showing that the relays did indeed go bye bye.

Sorry, believe me countless people have looked at the endings hoping for something, ANYTHING to tell us why in the name of space magic they did the ending the way they did.

I just hope they announce the ending dlc soon...cuz people are dyin for it. And rightly so.

And whatever the reason, I assure you, they can have zero smugness. Even if it was planned from day one, because the execution was done atrociously.

[The Razman]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Dude the mass relays explode in ALL the endings. The only difference is that for some reason in the Blue color ending we don't see the shockwave, but the scene where we see the relays break apart and get destroyed is the same for everyone.

And if that doesn't do it for you, the very next scene we get to see the same galaxy map for every ending, and all the shockwaves are visible in all the endings, showing that the relays did indeed go bye bye.

No. There is no "for some reasons" in logic.

Look at what you see again. There is a reason that a shot showing the explosion of the mass relay would specifically be left out. That's not just some anomaly ... that's by design. Coupled with the fact that the Citadel also avoids destruction (very specifically ... you actually see a shot of the arms of the Citadel closing as opposed to the shot of the Citadel blowing up producing a beam) and you suddenly are left with the question ... why would Bioware specifically create this ending which omits all scenes of destruction?

Because they never intended us to assume that the relays are destroyed in all endings.

What you see on the galaxy map is waves going out. Waves do not mean explosions. There's not a single explosion in the entire blue ending. Bioware have messed up by not changing the shot of the relay emitting its beam so that there isn't a momentary view of it breaking apart ... all the other evidence points to Bioware not wanting to show destruction in that ending.

[EagleScoutDJB]

This causes the ending to make even less sense. If the relays aren't destroyed in every ending why is Joker running from the shock wave in every ending?

[Oldbones2]

"...Releasing the energy of the crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays."

The Catalyst. Speaking in regards to Shepard's choices.

Relays go boom. Case closed.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Oldbones2 wrote...

"...Releasing the energy of the crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays."

The Catalyst. Speaking in regards to Shepard's choices.

Relays go boom. Case closed.

Seriously.

And dude, there is absolutely "for some reason" in logic. Logic is precisely that, deducing answers from given facts and circumstances.

If the catalyst TELLS you they blow up no matter what you do, and you SEE the relays blow up, just because you don't see the SHOCKWAVE it doesn't mean that there is some master conspiracy.

And honestly, ok, they don't show the shockwave like in the other scenes, but we still see the relays breaking apart and like I said before, you still see the shockwave from the galaxy view in the next scene.

Sorry dude. Nice try, but there's nothing there.

[Stealth3]

WTF kind of troll are you? Clearly they get destroyed.

Proof:

1) ****ing Catalysts says so
2) Joker running from shockwave, yes waves mean explosion.
3) Clearly you can see them get blown up and oh in case I forgot...

...the ****ing starchild himself says so. If thats not proof, I don't know what is.

[Oldbones2]

I should point out that maybe the OP does have some point.

In the control ending it may be that the relays are destroyed, but they do not actually 'explode'.

So in ONE of the three endings you don't kill everyone who is in a system with a relay in it at the end.

You just strand them there forever. Which may or may not be their home. Or have anyone they loved be anywhere near them.

Or even have any food they can eat.

[Ruined Requiem]

Oldbones2 wrote...

I should point out that maybe the OP does have some point.

In the control ending it may be that the relays are destroyed, but they do not actually 'explode'.

So in ONE of the three endings you don't kill everyone who is in a system with a relay in it at the end.

You just strand them there forever. Which may or may not be their home. Or have anyone they loved be anywhere near them.

Or even have any food they can eat.

So in all actuality killing them in an instant would be a kindness.

Which would be the more palatable ending? Mass Genocide to save the Galaxy, or Slow Mass Genocide to save the Galaxy?

Hmmm...

OT - The starchild points out that saving the galaxy destroys the relays, idk how much more proof you need.

Modifié par Ruined Requiem, 27 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[Legion64]

Funny, I picked Control and my Relay shot its beam. Even if the only relay to break apart was the Sol System, wouldn't that still leave everyone trapped on Earth?

[Ruined Requiem]

Legion64 wrote...

Funny, I picked Control and my Relay shot its beam. Even if the only relay to break apart was the Sol System, wouldn't that still leave everyone trapped on Earth?

Yep, and the Quarians and Turians stuck there would likely starve right off the bat pretty much.

[Legion64]

Ruined Requiem wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Funny, I picked Control and my Relay shot its beam. Even if the only relay to break apart was the Sol System, wouldn't that still leave everyone trapped on Earth?

Yep, and the Quarians and Turians stuck there would likely starve right off the bat pretty much.

Then once all resources are gone, the Krogan go hungry and eat everyone. In the end, they're all screwed.

[Ruined Requiem]

Legion64 wrote...

Ruined Requiem wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Funny, I picked Control and my Relay shot its beam. Even if the only relay to break apart was the Sol System, wouldn't that still leave everyone trapped on Earth?

Yep, and the Quarians and Turians stuck there would likely starve right off the bat pretty much.

Then once all resources are gone, the Krogan go hungry and eat everyone. In the end, they're all screwed.

Yep, gotta say, dying in a quick flash of light seems merciful compared to that.

[AlanC9]

Oldbones2 wrote...
So in ONE of the three endings you don't kill everyone who is in a system with a relay in it at the end.

You just strand them there forever. Which may or may not be their home. Or have anyone they loved be anywhere near them.

Or even have any food they can eat.

That's a bit overstated. Starships still work just fine without mass relays. Nobody's stranded forever. Maybe they can't go home, sure. Depends on where "home" is.

As for starving, turians are the only ones in real trouble, since their amino acids are uncommon.

The quarians in Sol system are just fine. They have their liveships with them, remember? While that seemed like a daft way to organize their fleets, in this instance it'll work well.

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 mars 2012 - 03:19 .

[kbct]

Oldbones2 wrote...

"...Releasing the energy of the crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays."

The Catalyst. Speaking in regards to Shepard's choices.

Relays go boom. Case closed.

If anyone knows, it's the god-child.

[EHondaMashButton]

The Razman wrote...

There's been something knocking around my head for a few days, but I just found the correct YouTube video to examine the situation properly and confirm it. We've all been assuming something incorrectly. Something major.

The Mass Relays do not get destroyed in every ending. In fact, they only get destroyed in the Destroy (red) and Synthesis (green) endings.

All the endings played side by side in this video allow us to clearly see the differences between the endings. And notably, you do not see two things occuring in the blue endings which happen in the others. The Citadel does not put out its beam of energy and subsequently is not destroyed, and the Sol System Relay does not explode. It does break apart, but the shot of it exploding is absent.

The explanation? Bioware have goofed. They never intended the assumption to be that the blue ending destroyed any mass relays ... but in using the same footage for most of the scenes, they neglected to make a new one (either through oversight or just lack of time; speculation) which shows the relay firing its pulse without breaking apart afterwards. But the intention seems to be clear ... the difference between the blue endings and the others is scenes of destruction being omitted.

The relay network is intact with the Control endings.

Look at it again @1:29 -1:31  It breaks apart just the same as the other relays, it just cuts away earlier.

[chris fenton]

How does no one remember the God Child saying "WHEN YOU FIRE THE CRUCIBLE, DA RELAYS GONNA GO BOOM." Cause he does.
Even if you have the Synergy ending. 

[CARL_DF90]

Hmm...interesting observation. Let's see where they go with this, if anything.

[Legion64]

Truly if there was an ending where the relays aren't destroyed. I would have liked the ending a whole lot better, and Shepard's death/sacrifice wouldn't be in vain and the galaxy would be back to normal.

[EHondaMashButton]

chris fenton wrote...

How does no one remember the God Child saying "WHEN YOU FIRE THE CRUCIBLE, DA RELAYS GONNA GO BOOM." Cause he does.
Even if you have the Synergy ending. 

This.    
  @2:04 

[Heavenly_King]

The Razman wrote...

There's been something knocking around my head for a few days, but I just found the correct YouTube video to examine the situation properly and confirm it. We've all been assuming something incorrectly. Something major.

The Mass Relays do not get destroyed in every ending. In fact, they only get destroyed in the Destroy (red) and Synthesis (green) endings.

All the endings played side by side in this video allow us to clearly see the differences between the endings. And notably, you do not see two things occuring in the blue endings which happen in the others. The Citadel does not put out its beam of energy and subsequently is not destroyed, and the Sol System Relay does not explode. It does break apart, but the shot of it exploding is absent.

The explanation? Bioware have goofed. They never intended the assumption to be that the blue ending destroyed any mass relays ... but in using the same footage for most of the scenes, they neglected to make a new one (either through oversight or just lack of time; speculation) which shows the relay firing its pulse without breaking apart afterwards. But the intention seems to be clear ... the difference between the blue endings and the others is scenes of destruction being omitted.

The relay network is intact with the Control endings.

As many have said all relays explode, but in the blue one you dont see the shockwave.