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[Legion64]

Mind sex = Normal Asari

Mind Rape = Banshee

[Legion64]

jreezy wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Mind sex = Normal Asari

Mind Rape = Banshee

Yeah that works.

Speaking of which...


Imma go change my pants.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

She could have had a gradual character change, perhaps growing less naive and innocent as she went along, instead of having such an abrupt and jarring shift as she did from ME1 to ME2.

This is exactly how I feel. Whatever your opinion about her characterisation (be it that it's boring or platitudinous), she at least felt like an organic character in ME1. in ME2 and onward, she feels less like a character and more like a force of the plot, which...feels bad man.

[DeinonSlayer]

Random Jerkface wrote...

I know, Han, but it's still hilariously awkward. The whole thing just made me go DAFUQ? Especially her just being outside the door like a creepo when Shepard is supposed to be resting.

I blame that on poor direction, though.

DeinonSlayer wrote...


Yeah... that about sums it up.

Edit: They did say in ME2 that, being an Admiral's daughter, Tali received the best military training the Migrant Fleet had to offer, though, so that's an out. Still doesn't explain how Liara goes from instinctively cowering on Therum to immediately being the gun-slinging, singularity-tossing "Now it gets fun!" badass seen from that point forward.

Yeah, those are essentially my biggest gripes with her character. I like her, but I really abhor the blatant way she's shoehorned into everything without regard for her development. Not only is it patently unfair for the other characters, it doesn't do the writers' abilities justice. If you are going to construct a story based around a central personality, makes sure the events of the story conform to the personality, not the other way about. If the personality cannot conform, scrap the story or use a character that is more suited. The Lazarus Project plot is a perfect example of this. The entire concept was already patently ridiculous (resurrection from the dead, killing the protagonist and reviving her for the sole purpose of railroading), and it's not often that a story opens with a diabolus ex machina, but it makes absolutely zero sense that Liara was used. Seriously--she is told by a group of shadowy human supremacist/black-ops terrorists, who she and Shepard spent all of ME1 killing for their atrocities, that they will bring Shepard back to life, something that has never been accomplished in natural history. All they need is Shepard's body. It's not like they would do anything morally suspect with it or anything.

Makes her come off as either naive or idiotic...or unhealthily obsessed. The role would have been better suited to Miranda. It would add a more interesting dynamic to her character, and makes much more sense both logically and from a literary perspective. This would sacrifice the SB plot, but that could still be implemented.

Where did they say that about Tali? I suppose it makes sense. Still, having training is different from having field experience. And neither Tali nor Liara seem to have any problems with going from being a civilian to killing people on a regular basis.

Liara's personality is all over the place - as you said, the only real constants are an infatuation with Shepard and the Protheans. The latest theory I heard was that Liara might have... "saved a piece" of Shepard if you agree to the memory transfer at the very end, regardless of whether you're in another relationship. I commissioned a poll asking what people thought of this, and most, evidently, wouldn't put it past her to do something like that without telling Shepard.



As for Tali's training, I saw the dialogue on YouTube. If I remember correctly, Shepard reminds her of what her father gave her (her training being a part of it) after finding his body if you refrain from hugging her, which, frankly, is why many people haven't seen it. Her first instinct was to defend herself against Fist's thugs, and she had been evading Saren for a while by the time you meet up (taking a bullet in the process), so it's easier for me to buy that Tali has a bit more steel in her blood. Her leadership skills were lacking in ME2, which was understandable, and to my mind realistic.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 28 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[Aurora313]

Banshees scare the **** out of me. Right before I spam Charge-Nova-Shotgun. Sounds like a good fate for her, to me

[What a Succulent Ass]

jreezy wrote...

I always thought "mind sex" would be a more appropriate term, it is consentual.

The plot demands you do it. I felt violated, man, violated!

Me five years ago:

"Why are you doing this to me Dr T'Soni ;__;" (x3)
"What the hell, Shiala?"
"What kind of gift was tha--O LORD, RAPE."

And then I hated asari.

[Aurora313]

Random Jerkface wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I always thought "mind sex" would be a more appropriate term, it is consentual.

The plot demands you do it. I felt violated, man, violated!

Me five years ago:

"Why are you doing this to me Dr T'Soni ;__;" (x3)
"What the hell, Shiala?"
"What kind of gift was tha--O LORD, RAPE."

And then I hated asari.

Yeeeep.
Pretty much this.

[shenlonzero]

Legion64 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Mind sex = Normal Asari

Mind Rape = Banshee

Yeah that works.

Speaking of which...


Imma go change my pants.

that entire exchange was awesome. 
btw, glad liara didn't turn into a banshee....

i just hope that this doesn't sprial into any jokes about taking and arrow in the banshee...

[Legion64]

Random Jerkface wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I always thought "mind sex" would be a more appropriate term, it is consentual.

The plot demands you do it. I felt violated, man, violated!

Me five years ago:

"Why are you doing this to me Dr T'Soni ;__;" (x3)
"What the hell, Shiala?"
"What kind of gift was tha--O LORD, RAPE."

And then I hated asari.

You must be a little WEAK-Minded then.

[Sdrol117]

dedhd wrote...

Did you know that if you save Morinth instead of Samara in ME2, she becomes a banshee and you fight her? A load of crap. Why would they make something that takes so much Paragon/Renegade hurt you in ME3?

1. You sound foolish.
2. It was VERY possible to have enough paragon/renegade, that's your own damn fault.
3. It was a very cool inclusion to the game.


And Liara's plot armor through 3 games is ridiculous. She should have been killed. 

Modifié par Sdrol117, 28 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[darthnick427]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I always thought "mind sex" would be a more appropriate term, it is consentual.

The plot demands you do it. I felt violated, man, violated!

Me five years ago:

"Why are you doing this to me Dr T'Soni ;__;" (x3)
"What the hell, Shiala?"
"What kind of gift was tha--O LORD, RAPE."

And then I hated asari.

What always bugged me about the Liara mind-rape scenes was how similar they were. She had the exact same "I feel faint, I need to see the doctor" line about 3 times in the game.

Yeah that line was kind of ridiculous in ME1 maybe not the first time but 2 more times? wth...other than that I was fine with it

[What a Succulent Ass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

They should have, for the most part, stuck to one central squad throughout the series, and focused on those characters. Adding so many new faces in ME2 meant that they were inevitably going to have to sideline most of them.

I agree. This has been a problem with Mass Effect in general: aside from very few of them (notably Tali and Mordin and Legion), characters have no bearing on the plot. This worked in ME1 because of the relatively tight story, small squad, and the emphasis on the pre-defined, conventional goal, but falls flat in the second game. ME2 had little plot to speak of beyond the nebulous ambition of "stop the Collectors." We don't even know what this entails until about 3/4 through the game. The story, then, is really about the twelve squad mates, and since they really react to the overarching plot rather than shape it (even those who should have a more active role, like Miranda), what you get is essentially a bunch of disjointed vignettes. They are very good and compelling vignettes, but they are much like mismatched puzzle pieces. I don't remember who came up with the analogy (smudboy?), but it is essentially like opening up a book only to have twelve other books fall out.

Contrast Liara who drives along the series almost single-handedly, plot first, character secondary.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 28 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[Fixers0]

If she could still be romanceable

[DeinonSlayer]

Fixers0 wrote...

If she could still be romanceable

Kinky...

[What a Succulent Ass]

jreezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I always thought "mind sex" would be a more appropriate term, it is consentual.

The plot demands you do it. I felt violated, man, violated!

Me five years ago:

"Why are you doing this to me Dr T'Soni ;__;" (x3)
"What the hell, Shiala?"
"What kind of gift was tha--O LORD, RAPE."

And then I hated asari.

There there. Liara is stranded on an unknown planet. She can't hurt you anymore.

I'm actually more scared of the Consort. That was a legitimate molestation right there. First play through, I picked the renegade option, expecting money instead of the Ms Cleo rubbish she gave me.

O lawdy

[Taritu]

I think the main thing is her not fighting when you first find her, honestly. Because while she was all flustered young women with Shep in the romance, the Liara I remember, based on her battle cries in ME1 was a cold, cold killer. It is not hard to imagine the woman who uttered those battle cries becoming the Liara of ME2.

The other thing, which is obvious, is that Liara loves Shepard whether Shepard loves Liara or not. Rejecting her doesn't change her feelings.

As for plot armor, eh, whatever. There are far more egregious problems with the series, like the entire second game not mattering and making no sense (ok, I put together the best team in the galaxy, who won't help me against the Reapers.) ... kay

[Han Shot First]

Random Jerkface wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I always thought "mind sex" would be a more appropriate term, it is consentual.

The plot demands you do it. I felt violated, man, violated!

Me five years ago:

"Why are you doing this to me Dr T'Soni ;__;" (x3)
"What the hell, Shiala?"
"What kind of gift was tha--O LORD, RAPE."

And then I hated asari.

There there. Liara is stranded on an unknown planet. She can't hurt you anymore.

I'm actually more scared of the Consort. That was a legitimate molestation right there. First play through, I picked the renegade option, expecting money instead of the Ms Cleo rubbish she gave me.

O lawdy

C'mon, that was an awewsome renegade 'interrupt' and was a win all around.
 
All that was missing was Bill Shatner having a voice over for Shepard that stated, "Star Date _____. 2183. This Saren character still eludes me, but in more important news I did get to shag a hot blue alien babe. And in the end, that is all that really matters."

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Eclipse merc]

Nepp wrote...

If the only asari Ardat-Yakshi was on that one planet(which I gathered you killed them all but for one), how did banshee's end up on the asari homeworld and earth?

The reapers could've transported them after they turned.

[Deflagratio]

Not really related to Liara being a banshee, but it wasn't until my 6th or 7th Banshee Grab induced death in MP that I realized they were impaling you with their other hands. I really thought they killed you by mating. (Ex. Morinth)

I'll admit, I can think of worse ways to die than an orgasm so intense you suffer brain hemorrhages.