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Shock Therapy: Why Bioware's Mass Effect 3 surpasses Brilliancy--Especially the ending.


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           Sometimes it's tough being a devoted fan. We can sometimes do too much justice in defense of our most beloved franchises. As a gamer, sci-fi enthusiast, comic book writer/Illustrator and old school Hop junkie, I too catch myself in the middle of the weirdest debates trying to convince people to "Look at the big picture" and force them to be ridiculously over analytical. I’ll be the first to admit I defended films like "Star Wars: Episode 1", argued that "Spiderman: Web of Shadows" was an incredible game, and made up every excuse in the book to why “The Matrix” Evolution ended perfectly--- only to walk away feeling like I was only making excuses for material I truly felt was a little lackluster.
 

           With the Mass Effect trilogy behind us, I never felt the pressure to defend Bioware’s “narrative direction.  Mass Effect was THE franchise that I thought was so truly groundbreaking, it didn’t need any further co-signing or “convincing of awesomeness”. If you weren’t up on Mass Effect, too bad, your loss. It was the breakthrough that delivered something innovative into this generation of gaming where every gamer owned their own personal piece of Commander Shephard’s journey.  While not perfect, (but damn close in my eyes) everyone had invested so deeply into Mass Effect that everyone’s story was special and unique.
            
           In the first Mass Effect, I let Wrex live, saved the Rachni Queen, sacrificed Kaiden, (He was too needy and unstable to me) Romanced Ashley and spared the Council. In Mass Effect 2, I made Zaheed get his head out his a**, convinced  Kasumi to destroy her memory box, stopped Mordin from killing his protégé,  rewrote the heretics, romanced Miranda, made it out the Collector base with all 12 squad members alive and finally told the Illusive man to shove it while I detonated the whole joint. Those felt like they were all my decisions that reflected my persona. Hence Mass Effect 3: I dug up the Prothean Javik, freed the Rachni Queen, (again) Got punched in the grill by Jack (for breaking her heart and choosing Miranda in Mass Effect 2), even saved the cruel Ex-Cerberus employee (Project Overloard) who was running those Geth experiments on his little brother, Romanced Miranda (again) and finally, with a max of over 4000 EMS, I chose to destroy the Reapers once I got inside the arms of the Citadel. I also watched Shephard take that mysterious deep breath after all the cut scenes played out.  From beginning to end,  I found Mass Effect 3 to be an incredible journey that even surpasses Mass Effect 2 in terms of gameplay, emotion and sense of urgency.
 
             However, Mass Effect 3’s final sequence still have many  people angry, confused and perplexed---A brilliant dose of shock therapy that I didn’t even see coming but I truly, truly appreciate and embrace. This thread simply demonstrates( in my opinion) the beauty of Bioware’s narrative strategy. I don't felt they left me hanging, I just felt they actually did what few games have compelled us all to do on this kind of magnitude---and that’s to take it apart, analyze it, put it back together and try and make sense of it. I personally think the ending was brilliant and we FINALLY get to experience the final process of Shephard resisting or submitting to indoctrination during actual gameplay.  This was not the Shephard I was used to. Bloody, letharthic, confused and out of his mind. He was now  more vulunerable and  human than he'd ever been throughout the entire trilogy. To me, that's so much more symbolic than a Boss Battle or quick time event.  That's Bioware choosing not to take the easy route out, but Bioware showing the industry that their fans, us, the actual gamers, are mature, intelligent and can read between the lines.

         Whether your opinion on the ending is good, opposite or you completely did not like it, one thing’s for sure: We’re all still thinking and talking about it---and that’s exactly what Bioware intended for us to do while they cook up something even bigger within the months ahead.  Please feel free to share to this thread by leaving your comments. As always be vocal but respectful; and tell us what your interpretation of Mass Effect 3’s final moments mean to you.
 
Peace
 

Modifié par Tony Grant, 30 mars 2012 - 04:49 .


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Word

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So they intended for me to be so pissed over a $80 product so much that I am still foaming over it almost 4 weeks later???

Yeah, really brilliant!

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http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

A good review as to *why* we feel the ending was too jarring

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This belongs in the Story and Campaign Discussion forums.

Smells like a PR/marketing/damage control post, since over 90% of the fans (almost 70k votes) have an issue with the ending:  http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

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translationninja wrote...

So they intended for me to be so pissed over a $80 product so much that I am still foaming over it almost 4 weeks later???

Yeah, really brilliant!




To be fair, (and I aint got nothin' to gain from Bioware) let me just ask a question:  What do you think the solution will be to end the trilogy "the right way?"  You guys are the majority right now. The people who liked the ending (myself included) are the minority. This means whatever Bioware already had in the works, they know they have to step their game up to please everybody. So the balls in your court...right?

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Sakaja wrote...

This belongs in the Story and Campaign Discussion forums.

Smells like a PR/marketing/damage control post, since over 90% of the fans (almost 70k votes) have an issue with the ending:  http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/



Wow, P.R. ??  lol, thanks for the compliment, homey. But nah, I'm just a fan. What...You think I haven't seen the polls? I was on attack mode just like you and everybody else---until I finished the game and actually tried to process it.  That doesnt make me any smarter than you or any other person that played it...I just got a different take on the outcome than you did. lol...damage control....

Modifié par Tony Grant, 27 mars 2012 - 03:44 .


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I have to agree with Tony epic story.

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I love how half the threads about the endings being great are in fact about how the Indoctrination theory that is purely fan cannon is great.

It says something about you ending when the people who like it, like it because they think it's fake.

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If the ending(s) had the air of being planned and part of the natural conclusion to the trilogy then there would be less irritation and anger from consumers. But that is not the case. Ignoring for a moment the other numerous elements that suggested ME3 is an unfinished product with insufficient QA carried out on it pre-launch, the endings are too messy, too brief and too out of keeping with the rest of the narrative to be anything other than a crudely tacked on attempt to cheaply conclude the title and series and keep within the publisher's deadline. It is the equivalent of reading the Lord of The Rings series and having Tolkien finish the various plot threads that have stretched and evolved over 3 books by summing it all up in a single page. There is no sense that the ME3 conclusions were planned and all evidence points to a decision to 'fudge it' just to ensure the product wasn't delayed going to market.

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Avissel wrote...

I love how half the threads about the endings being great are in fact about how the Indoctrination theory that is purely fan cannon is great.

It says something about you ending when the people who like it, like it because they think it's fake.


+1.

Though saying that, I personally think its amusing that another common theme amongst the 'ending is great' threads are that its great because we're still talking about them.

I mean, I'm not going to invoke Godwin's Law or anything, but since when have things that still get talked about been automatically considered 'awesome'? :blink:

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Yeah, too bad though that Indoctrination Theory is just a fan-created interpretation and the developers intended the events of the ending to be taken at face value.

Even if it they did intend it though, is replacing your actual ending with a dream sequence, and then NOT following it up with the actual events of the ending, really such a great thing?

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Tony Grant wrote...

*snip*

We’re all still thinking and talking about it---and that’s exactly what Bioware intended for us to do ...


LMAO

There's a clear difference. You could compare ME3 with a (Bioware) girlfriend, for example. When all your friends talk about how good-looking, funny, elegant etc your girlfriend is you'll feel good. But when everyone keeps talking about her ugly face, fat ass, terrible manners and so on you're likely feel pretty bad.

Just saying.

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JaegerBane wrote...
I mean, I'm not going to invoke Godwin's Law or anything, but since when have things that still get talked about been automatically considered 'awesome'? :blink:


It's also the same logic that had people saying Inception was the best movie ever.

"It's confuseing...so it must be good."

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Ryuukishi wrote...

Yeah, too bad though that Indoctrination Theory is just a fan-created interpretation and the developers intended the events of the ending to be taken at face value.

 
True. It's remind me the tasks we have at school: "the curtains were blue - what the author wanted to say by this?".
What they are blue, nothing more, nothin less.

Sheppard did his job, save the humanity. In the proccess he may died. Too bad, but get over it and move one.
This is not a fairy tail after all where happy end is the only accepted.

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mra4nii wrote...
This is not a fairy tail after all where happy end is the only accepted.


No, it isn't... but then again it isn't some surrealist oddball story either, that didn't stop its endings being weird.

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Tony Grant wrote...



         Whether your opinion on the ending is neutral, opposite or downright angry, one thing’s for sure: We’re all still thinking and talking about it---and that’s exactly what Bioware intended for us to do while they cook up something even bigger within the months ahead.  Please feel free to share to this thread by leaving your comments. As always be vocal but respectful; and tell us what your interpretation of Mass Effect 3’s final moments mean to you.
 
Peace
 


I see you're of the opinion that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Richard Nixon and Alan Turing would like to disagree with you.

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And you're in the wrong forum, IMHO.

Edit: ninja'd :ph34r:

Sakaja wrote...

This belongs in the Story and Campaign Discussion forums.


social.bioware.com/forum/1/category/355/index

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 27 mars 2012 - 09:31 .


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Somebody missed Metal Gear Solid 2. Which was brilliance in storytelling and avant-garde game design.

You've hit the big time when people actually do graduate-level research on your video game.

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 I think you convince yourself that the ending of mass effect is about indoctrination, so you can say it's brilliant.

Anyway, I don't think it was indoctrination, "that" would be over analyzing things. And I still love the ending.

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It's definitely kudos to bioware that people care enough about their franchise to make this much noise about it, just a shame its not for the right reasons.

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Uriko128 wrote...

 I think you convince yourself that the ending of mass effect is about indoctrination, so you can say it's brilliant.

Anyway, I don't think it was indoctrination, "that" would be over analyzing things. And I still love the ending.



Yeah, I can definately see your point. I see alot of people calling it a "fan created analysis".
I don't even know for sure if it is, or isn't because it has'nt been confirmed by Bioware themselves. Whoever came up with that theory for the ending, and especially whoever put those video's together on youtube make it look convincing. Theres so many arguments why it would make sense, and I even saw some counter arguments why it doesn't make sense. I know this though: I'm like you--I freakin' loved the ending and wont change my opinion on that. Guess we'll have to find out some time in April what's next.

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SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

Tony Grant wrote...



         Whether your opinion on the ending is neutral, opposite or downright angry, one thing’s for sure: We’re all still thinking and talking about it---and that’s exactly what Bioware intended for us to do while they cook up something even bigger within the months ahead.  Please feel free to share to this thread by leaving your comments. As always be vocal but respectful; and tell us what your interpretation of Mass Effect 3’s final moments mean to you.
 
Peace
 


I see you're of the opinion that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Richard Nixon and Alan Turing would like to disagree with you.


You just proved my point exactly. You're here, on this thread...still...talking about...it.
Bad publicity? Who co-signed for that? That's your opinion, though, which is cool.
Check out the key words below from my quote you may have missed: 

"Whether your opinion on the ending is neutral, opposite or downright angry, one thing’s for sure: We’re all still thinking and talking about it.

Nixon and Turning are both dead.I don't think they'd get the chance to disagree with me, son.

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Liraelx wrote...

It's definitely kudos to bioware that people care enough about their franchise to make this much noise about it, just a shame its not for the right reasons.



Word.

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So.. how many people would have bought the game if they told you before hand that the reapers win no matter what?