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[Mr. C]

Tony Grant wrote...
         Whether your opinion on the ending is neutral, opposite or downright angry, one thing’s for sure: We’re all still thinking and talking about it---and that’s exactly what Bioware intended for us to do
 

Exactly. 

[mybudgee]

Ha! ME3 has a fat ass...

Modifié par mybudgee, 29 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[TeamLexana]

NReed106 wrote...

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

A good review as to *why* we feel the ending was too jarring

That was a good read, great find, thanks. Did that same guy make a youtube vid? I saw one just last night that seemed very familar to that post. Too lazy to look it up atm to see if his name is on it atm, lol.

[bleetman]

Tony Grant wrote...
Whether your opinion on the ending is neutral, opposite or downright angry, one thing’s for sure: We’re all still thinking and talking about it---and that’s exactly what Bioware intended for us to do while they cook up something even bigger within the months ahead. 
 

Y'know, I just can't subscribe to this notion that all publicity is good publicity. Yes, I'm still thinking about it, and still talking about it. I'll also be doing the former when Whatever They Make Next appears. It's entirely likely to influence how much enthusiasm I'm prepared to feel about it, and whether I'm interested in actually buying it. I don't imagine I'm alone in that.

If this was their intention all along, I'd say it's backfiring.

Modifié par bleetman, 29 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[january42]

[quote]bleetman wrote...

Whether your opinion on the ending is neutral, opposite or downright angry, one thing’s for sure: We’re all still thinking and talking about it---and that’s exactly what Bioware intended for us to do while they cook up something even bigger within the months ahead. 
 [/quote]
Y'know, I just can't subscribe to this notion that all publicity is good publicity. Yes, I'm still thinking about it, and still talking about it. I'll also be doing the former when Whatever They Make Next appears. It's entirely likely to influence how much enthusiasm I'm prepared to feel about it, and whether I'm interested in actually buying it. I don't imagine I'm alone in that.

If this was their intention all along, I'd say it's backfiring.
[/quote]

Well, I know people who have decided to put off getting it till:

1)They see if the ending ever appears
2)the price drops.

I'm sure the sheer reaction(it you research the game at all, it's kinda hard to miss) has probably scared off some people.  Hard to say how much. Probably wouldn't be able to compare till about a year out.

[All-a-Mort]

I would hardly call this good publicity. Granted we are still talking about ME3, but then we on the BSN are the hardcore Bioware and ME fans, so we would have been talking about it anyway. Bioware and EAs problem isn't merely that the hardcore fans are irate and dissatisfied with the ending (though since we represent the more brand loyal consumers that buy all the DLC it potentially impacts their future sales of DLC content) it's that the debate has reached media outlets on the web via online magazines, gaming blogs and the campaign(s) for a better ending. If the complaints and discussion was limited to BSN's virtual walls then Bioware and EA could exercise some control over the discourse and via engaging with fans and briefing them on future plans could help deal with the reputation damage, but with the criticism having leaked into more mainstream and visible channels, they are now fighting to regain control of discussion about the game, hence comments appearing by Dr Ray etc.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

Tony Grant wrote...

All-a-Mort wrote...

If the ending(s) had the air of being planned and part of the natural conclusion to the trilogy then there would be less irritation and anger from consumers. But that is not the case. Ignoring for a moment the other numerous elements that suggested ME3 is an unfinished product with insufficient QA carried out on it pre-launch, the endings are too messy, too brief and too out of keeping with the rest of the narrative to be anything other than a crudely tacked on attempt to cheaply conclude the title and series and keep within the publisher's deadline. It is the equivalent of reading the Lord of The Rings series and having Tolkien finish the various plot threads that have stretched and evolved over 3 books by summing it all up in a single page. There is no sense that the ME3 conclusions were planned and all evidence points to a decision to 'fudge it' just to ensure the product wasn't delayed going to market.

I think you got a point. You see, the public's anger came out before I even had a chance to finish my playthrough so my expectations were already low. I kept hearing all this junk about "ghost boy" and  Red, Blue,Green explosions. I was getting so angry I had to shut it out and just get through the game to see for myself. When I got to the end, I said "THIS WAS IT?? THIS WAS ALL THE HYPE??" And I still ended up being surprised and blown away. Straight up, I tried to prepare to hate it, but my reaciton was the opposite and I'm runnin' wit' that.  But I still think Bioware could have possibly ran out of time to expand on the ending and close MAJOR gaps due to time constraints. I didn't care about none of that though because I was satisifed, but I understood why nearly 100,000 people were so mad. 

Here's how this could end up being a win for everybody: Whether you call yourself  a gamer or not--your still a consumer. You keep EA and Bioware in business. Bioware may have to answer to EA, but at the end of the day, they both must answer to you.  Moving forward, I don't think other publishers out there will risk day one DLC, or rush products just to meet the "fiscal year" deadlines. (Notice how Capcom  was so proud to boast their DLC for RE: ORC coming in April would be free right?) 

So whatever's comin' in the next few months may be 10 times better then what Bioware was already developing because of the outcry. Next question is, would it be free?
I trust Bioware's gonna blow people away with what's next--- But I REALLY hope the mega-corp publilshers learn somthing from this too. Even us gamers refuse to be nickele'd and dime'd to death.

You basically summed up my thoughts on this, even with the being ready to hate the end, because some of us do not rush to complete a game withing days of its release, my end time was 48 hours and 37 mins and I enjoyed all of it.

Now it's just time to wait and see.

[Tony Grant]

[quote]january42 wrote...

[quote]bleetman wrote...

Whether your opinion on the ending is neutral, opposite or downright angry, one thing’s for sure: We’re all still thinking and talking about it---and that’s exactly what Bioware intended for us to do while they cook up something even bigger within the months ahead. 
 [/quote]
Y'know, I just can't subscribe to this notion that all publicity is good publicity. Yes, I'm still thinking about it, and still talking about it. I'll also be doing the former when Whatever They Make Next appears. It's entirely likely to influence how much enthusiasm I'm prepared to feel about it, and whether I'm interested in actually buying it. I don't imagine I'm alone in that.

If this was their intention all along, I'd say it's backfiring.
[/quote]

Well, I know people who have decided to put off getting it till:

1)They see if the ending ever appears
2)the price drops.

I'm sure the sheer reaction(it you research the game at all, it's kinda hard to miss) has probably scared off some people.  Hard to say how much. Probably wouldn't be able to compare till about a year out.

[/quote]

[Tony Grant]

@ January42, Hey man, you make a really good point. Can't
disagree with you there. I remember Casey Hudsen saying something like, "If they knew what we were planning, they wouldn't be so angry" So who knows maybe this will play out differently a year from now just like you said. But for now, its definitly backfiring. Peace

[Tony Grant]

All-a-Mort wrote...

I would hardly call this good publicity. Granted we are still talking about ME3, but then we on the BSN are the hardcore Bioware and ME fans, so we would have been talking about it anyway. Bioware and EAs problem isn't merely that the hardcore fans are irate and dissatisfied with the ending (though since we represent the more brand loyal consumers that buy all the DLC it potentially impacts their future sales of DLC content) it's that the debate has reached media outlets on the web via online magazines, gaming blogs and the campaign(s) for a better ending. If the complaints and discussion was limited to BSN's virtual walls then Bioware and EA could exercise some control over the discourse and via engaging with fans and briefing them on future plans could help deal with the reputation damage, but with the criticism having leaked into more mainstream and visible channels, they are now fighting to regain control of discussion about the game, hence comments appearing by Dr Ray etc.

[Tony Grant]

yup! good point

Modifié par Tony Grant, 30 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[Vilegrim]

Tony Grant wrote...

translationninja wrote...

So they intended for me to be so pissed over a $80 product so much that I am still foaming over it almost 4 weeks later???

Yeah, really brilliant!

To be fair, (and I aint got nothin' to gain from Bioware) let me just ask a question:  What do you think the solution will be to end the trilogy "the right way?"  You guys are the majority right now. The people who liked the ending (myself included) are the minority. This means whatever Bioware already had in the works, they know they have to step their game up to please everybody. So the balls in your court...right?

if redoing it entirely, to have actual multiple options is out of the question.  Then hmm.. Letting us defy the genocide baby would be an excellent start, he is flat out wrong, an immoral monster far worse than any criminal in human history, and we should be able to tell him that, tell him to shove his sick and twisted intolerant ideology up his nether regions and that we have the right to make our own fate, the option to say:

 You say Synthetics will slaughter organics?  We stand together, on this day, opposing you! 

You say all that is left to us is war and slaughter? We stand this day, in the sure and certain hope that it is OUR future, for US to decide, not you! 

You have no right to offer me these choices, and I have no right to make them, the troops out there, be they turian, human, krogan, Batarian, Asari, quarian or Geth, be they a great power or desperate refugees have come together, on this day, to fight for there own future, for the right to make there own fate.

[Tony Grant]

@ Vilegrim... That makes sense and I like how you wrote it. I loved the ending --point blank...But I sure wouldn't mind if they used a little bit of what you just wrote in their final script.

[Cadence of the Planes]

I liked the ending, and I'm not Bioware PR - get over it

[Tony Grant]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

I liked the ending, and I'm not Bioware PR - get over it

Yes sir--agreed!

[Tony Grant]

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Tony Grant wrote...

All-a-Mort wrote...

If the ending(s) had the air of being planned and part of the natural conclusion to the trilogy then there would be less irritation and anger from consumers. But that is not the case. Ignoring for a moment the other numerous elements that suggested ME3 is an unfinished product with insufficient QA carried out on it pre-launch, the endings are too messy, too brief and too out of keeping with the rest of the narrative to be anything other than a crudely tacked on attempt to cheaply conclude the title and series and keep within the publisher's deadline. It is the equivalent of reading the Lord of The Rings series and having Tolkien finish the various plot threads that have stretched and evolved over 3 books by summing it all up in a single page. There is no sense that the ME3 conclusions were planned and all evidence points to a decision to 'fudge it' just to ensure the product wasn't delayed going to market.

I think you got a point. You see, the public's anger came out before I even had a chance to finish my playthrough so my expectations were already low. I kept hearing all this junk about "ghost boy" and  Red, Blue,Green explosions. I was getting so angry I had to shut it out and just get through the game to see for myself. When I got to the end, I said "THIS WAS IT?? THIS WAS ALL THE HYPE??" And I still ended up being surprised and blown away. Straight up, I tried to prepare to hate it, but my reaciton was the opposite and I'm runnin' wit' that.  But I still think Bioware could have possibly ran out of time to expand on the ending and close MAJOR gaps due to time constraints. I didn't care about none of that though because I was satisifed, but I understood why nearly 100,000 people were so mad. 

Here's how this could end up being a win for everybody: Whether you call yourself  a gamer or not--your still a consumer. You keep EA and Bioware in business. Bioware may have to answer to EA, but at the end of the day, they both must answer to you.  Moving forward, I don't think other publishers out there will risk day one DLC, or rush products just to meet the "fiscal year" deadlines. (Notice how Capcom  was so proud to boast their DLC for RE: ORC coming in April would be free right?) 

So whatever's comin' in the next few months may be 10 times better then what Bioware was already developing because of the outcry. Next question is, would it be free?
I trust Bioware's gonna blow people away with what's next--- But I REALLY hope the mega-corp publilshers learn somthing from this too. Even us gamers refuse to be nickele'd and dime'd to death.

You basically summed up my thoughts on this, even with the being ready to hate the end, because some of us do not rush to complete a game withing days of its release, my end time was 48 hours and 37 mins and I enjoyed all of it.

Now it's just time to wait and see.

I know man! Sorry for the book, I got carried away while typing, lol.. but Yes sir, I totally agree with ya. We'll just have to wait it out.