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[purplesunset]

Seifz wrote...

Matthew Young CT wrote...

He'd probably freak if he found out how much information his browser gives every website he visits

Do you people really browse without Firefox + AdBlock + NoScript + cookies off by default?  Wow!

That's the browser equivalent of a tin foil hat.

(I'm glad to see you can make fun of yourself. The people here who accuse you of being paranoid are the ones that companies love the most.)

[Matthew Young CT]

I only block offensive ads (especially ones that make sound, grrrr). I like free websites

[Harbringerr]

Are you using the Windows operating system to post in this forum? Is so, you agreed to the mother of all EULAs. I think if you extend your paranoia and reject all of the EULAs you come across (with or without reading them), you'll soon find that you're sitting in a dark room with a candle. As long as the candle company doesn't have an EULA.

[SheffSteel]

purplesunset wrote...
EA says,  "Don't bother reading the wall of text, just click yes! You know you want to! We've got cookies inside !"

Unfortunately, those are our cookies.

[purplesunset]

Harbringerr wrote...

Are you using the Windows operating system to post in this forum? Is so, you agreed to the mother of all EULAs. I think if you extend your paranoia and reject all of the EULAs you come across (with or without reading them), you'll soon find that you're sitting in a dark room with a candle. As long as the candle company doesn't have an EULA.

Moving cars can hurt you when they make contact. Someone is reluctant to step into a street with moving cars.

According to your logic above, you would go up to the person and tell them:

"Quit your paranoia. If you extend your paranoia about moving cars, and reject crossing every street  with moving cars that you come across, then you will soon find you're sitting in the grass at the side of the road with a walking stick in your hand. As long as the walking stick doesn't contain a toy car hidden in a secret compartment.


Therefore, sir, get over your paranoia and step out into the street with moving cars. Right now."

(Harbinger, I'm partly jesting with this post, and mean you no ill will. It's just that this kind of argument is a very common logical fallacy."

[Harbringerr]

GraniteWardrobe wrote...

Harbringerr wrote...

Are you using the Windows operating system to post in this forum? Is so, you agreed to the mother of all EULAs. I think if you extend your paranoia and reject all of the EULAs you come across (with or without reading them), you'll soon find that you're sitting in a dark room with a candle. As long as the candle company doesn't have an EULA.

No, I'm using Linux.

Then my comment is directed at everyone but you.

And if you got Dragon Age working on Linux without a Windows OS in sight, then I salute you sir! 

Modifié par Harbringerr, 02 décembre 2009 - 03:50 .

[Sylixe]

Seifz wrote...

Sylixe wrote...

mmmbeerz wrote...

I don't tend to be in the habit of accepting unilateral changes to contracts. I'm also the guy that calls my credit card company to reject changes to terms too.

Let me know how that's coming along since basically they are the mafia and can change anything they want anytime they want and you have little recourse.  It's not like you can just not pay them back and everything will be alright.

No, but you can refuse the new terms and continue to use your card until its expiration date under the old terms, at which point your account is closed from further purchases and closed completely once you have paid your debt.  I did that just last week when my fixed 8.9% APR jumped up to a 19.9% variable APR even though I was in good standing and hadn't made any late payments, gone over the credit limit, etc.  Fortunately, my card is valid until 8/12, so I'll have the new consumer protection laws that go into effect this winter when I shop for a new card.

As far as I'm concerned, the original poster accepted the EULA when he purchased the game.  As long as he doesn't download any updates, he should be allowed to continue playing the game with the same rights and features under those terms, nevermind what EA/BioWare do to the EULA.  Period.

Yeah, but you are stuck at that new higher interest rate.  It isn't retrocative when the laws that they put in place go into effect.  I had the same situation with what they said wa sa locked in low rate years ago but they basically just tore up that agreement and wrote out a new one, which BTW is legal in their industry.  The sad fact is that those laws ended up punishing those of us that paid our bills and did the right thing.  Now we all get lumped into the barrel with the losers that spent beyond their menas or did it on purpose onyl to declare bankruptcy for the 5th or 6th time.

[mrofni]

Harbringerr wrote...

GraniteWardrobe wrote...

Harbringerr wrote...

Are you using the Windows operating system to post in this forum? Is so, you agreed to the mother of all EULAs. I think if you extend your paranoia and reject all of the EULAs you come across (with or without reading them), you'll soon find that you're sitting in a dark room with a candle. As long as the candle company doesn't have an EULA.

No, I'm using Linux.

Then my comment are directed at everyone but you.

And if you got Dragon Age working on Linux without a Windows OS in sight, then I salute you sir! 

And he would deserve that salute.

[SheffSteel]

GraniteWardrobe wrote...

Can I copy your sig, please? I do like it. Pretty please?

bwahahaha

My sig is now officially open source. Go for it.

[Harbringerr]

purplesunset wrote...

Harbringerr wrote...

Are you using the Windows operating system to post in this forum? Is so, you agreed to the mother of all EULAs. I think if you extend your paranoia and reject all of the EULAs you come across (with or without reading them), you'll soon find that you're sitting in a dark room with a candle. As long as the candle company doesn't have an EULA.

Moving cars can hurt you when they make contact. Someone is reluctant to step into a street with moving cars.

According to your logic above, you would go up to the person and tell them:

"Quit your paranoia. If you extend your paranoia about moving cars, and reject crossing every street  with moving cars that you come across, then you will soon find you're sitting in the grass at the side of the road with a walking stick in your hand. As long as the walking stick doesn't contain a toy car hidden in a secret compartment.


Therefore, sir, get over your paranoia and step out into the street with moving cars. Right now."

(Harbinger, I'm partly jesting with this post, and mean you no ill will. It's just that this kind of argument is a very common logical fallacy."

But if anyone refuses to cross streets because of their perception of the danger of cars, then they will forever remain on that grass.  What seems to have happened is that people say, "Yes, I understand that cars can hurt me, and this particular car may indeed hit me, whether or not it's planning on it, and whether or not I've chosen to look both ways to gain some knowledge of whether the car is planning to hit me."  We choose to get over all of that and get out onto the street.   As you can see, I'm pro-street crossing. 

You take my right to cross streets out of my cold, mangled car crash corpse. 

[DarthKaldriss]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Well, there is that one line about EA claiming your immortal soul for all of eternity or something like that.

          Well that will be another claim on my soul then.

[Eshme]

Wait what? They are collecting on what i have and use on my computer? How is this in any way required to using DAO?

And why do they do this ,after i have got the DLC?

[purplesunset]

Harbringerr wrote...

But if anyone refuses to cross streets because of their perception of the danger of cars, then they will forever remain on that grass.  What seems to have happened is that people say, "Yes, I understand that cars can hurt me, and this particular car may indeed hit me, whether or not it's planning on it, and whether or not I've chosen to look both ways to gain some knowledge of whether the car is planning to hit me."  We choose to get over all of that and get out onto the street.   As you can see, I'm pro-street crossing. 

You take my right to cross streets out of my cold, mangled car crash corpse. 

But if anyone refuses to sign EULA's because of their perception of the nefarious intentions of software companies, then they will forever remain in that dark room. What seems to have happened is that people say, "Yes, I understand that EULA's can hurt my rights, and this particular EULA may indeed have some shady implications, whether or not EA is planning on it, and whether or not I've chosen to scrutinize the text of the EULA to gain some knowledge of whether EA has mal intent."  We choose to get over all of that, and sign the EULA. As you can see, I'm pro-EULA signing.

You take my right to sign EULA's out of my cold, mangled covered in bureacratic red tape corpse:whistle:

[Harbringerr]

purplesunset wrote...

Harbringerr wrote...

But if anyone refuses to cross streets because of their perception of the danger of cars, then they will forever remain on that grass.  What seems to have happened is that people say, "Yes, I understand that cars can hurt me, and this particular car may indeed hit me, whether or not it's planning on it, and whether or not I've chosen to look both ways to gain some knowledge of whether the car is planning to hit me."  We choose to get over all of that and get out onto the street.   As you can see, I'm pro-street crossing. 

You take my right to cross streets out of my cold, mangled car crash corpse. 

But if anyone refuses to sign EULA's because of their perception of the nefarious intentions of software companies, then they will forever remain in that dark room. What seems to have happened is that people say, "Yes, I understand that EULA's can hurt my rights, and this particular EULA may indeed have some shady implications, whether or not EA is planning on it, and whether or not I've chosen to scrutinize the text of the EULA to gain some knowledge of whether EA has mal intent."  We choose to get over all of that, and sign the EULA. As you can see, I'm pro-EULA signing.

You take my right to sign EULA's out of my cold, mangled covered in bureacratic red tape corpse:whistle:

I agree with you 100% percent.  That's exactly how I would have said it.

Unfortunately, by 'finding and replacing' my post you have violated my End User Reader Agreement, which you explicity agreed to by reading it.  You'll be hearing from my lawyer shortly.

[Matthew Young CT]

Eshme wrote...

Wait what? They are collecting on what i have and use on my computer?

Apparently, I couldn't be arsed to read the thing though.

How is this in any way required to using DAO?

It isn't.

And why do they do this ,after i have got the DLC?

It's valuable information.

Many games do this, FYI.

[DragonRageGT]

Moreover, at least in my country, any good lawyer can beat any contract's clause that goes against the Carta Magna of the country and/or it may be considered a leonine clause!

[Valaskjalf]

anyone notice the DLC dagger you get after accepting the new EULA ? I bet you don't get it if you don't accept it.

[flamingdts]

Valaskjalf wrote...

anyone notice the DLC dagger you get after accepting the new EULA ? I bet you don't get it if you don't accept it.

Sounding very very fishy to me. 

I'm losing respect for this game. Everything is DLC.

Buy this game, you get this DLC. Sign up for this, you get this DLC. Do this, do that, you get DLC bla bla bla. This game will be so ridiculous in the near future when you can get 20 items that are significantly stronger than those you find in the game by simply signing up for tons of different things. 

[Rwraith]

Anybody else find it interesting that nobody from Bioware has responded to this thread? I doubt if they will at all.

[Matthew Young CT]

Why would they? It's EA's EULA.