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[slash197]

Everyone realizes that the EULA is only required if you want to use the online services, right? That you can play the game without logging in?



There's also that "Upload Gameplay Feedback" setting in the Options menu that tells Dragon Age whether or not to send them information other than characters, screenshots, and achievements.

[Jolly Teaparty]

slash197 wrote...

That you can play the game without logging in?

Actually that's only true if you didn't activate the free DLC, try loading one of your DLC-active games whilst you're not logged in.

[Matthew Young CT]

GraniteWardrobe wrote...
Except for a few anti-social troublemakers who say things like "The Emperor Has No Clothes" and we all know what happens to them.

Nothing?

Sorry you don't like the game. Why are you posting here?

Actually that's only true if you didn't activate the free DLC, try
loading one of your DLC-active games whilst you're not logged in.

You don't have to log in to use DLC.

Modifié par Matthew Young CT, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:08 .

[Jolly Teaparty]

Matthew Young CT wrote...

You don't have to log in to use DLC.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Once you've done that you can use them while you are logged off or not even connected to the internet.

I tried to load up a game with DLC without being logged in and got an error message which I shall paraphrase since I don't have it in front of me:  "This saved game includes BioWare premium content. To load this saved
game, an owner of the following premium content must log in: The Stone Prisoner."

Modifié par Jolly Teaparty, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:14 .

[Matthew Young CT]

GraniteWardrobe wrote...

Matthew Young CT wrote...
Sorry you don't like the game. Why are you posting here?

I do like the game. I enjoy playing it. But I don't like the way EA handles the online aspects. I'm posting here to say so. Isn't that allowed? I think it is.

Of course it is. The whole "I hate DLC" thing gets old pretty fast though. I understand not liking it, I don't understand telling people how much you don't like it constantly. Not like it's forced on you.

[DragonRageGT]

flamingdts wrote...

Valaskjalf wrote...

anyone notice the DLC dagger you get after accepting the new EULA ? I bet you don't get it if you don't accept it.

Sounding very very fishy to me. 

I'm losing respect for this game. Everything is DLC.

Buy this game, you get this DLC. Sign up for this, you get this DLC. Do this, do that, you get DLC bla bla bla. This game will be so ridiculous in the near future when you can get 20 items that are significantly stronger than those you find in the game by simply signing up for tons of different things. 

I actually like that original game has the same powerful items. I just got a ring that is the same as harvest festival (DLC included item) and a dagger that is pretty much as good as The Edge... in this new run... I had them before when I had no DLC and no original game either... just a torrent! (blame it on the late release in my country!)

I actually marked the box for the feedback and stuff... I don't care that much about who knows who I am... it's not like they're planning to kidnap me or my family and ask a ransom for them. And since I eventually go up in a stage and play rock and roll with a band, have my own domain website, etc. so what? Life's too short to hide from it and go unnoticed.

If I were a badazz terrorist, pedophilist or simply that shy, I wouldn't want to be a public figure and people to know me. They want make special adds based on my profile? Cool, I ain't buying anything anyway... it costs money and sometimes I don't feel like spending in something I don't need.

[flamingdts]

Matthew Young CT wrote...

GraniteWardrobe wrote...

Matthew Young CT wrote...
Sorry you don't like the game. Why are you posting here?

I do like the game. I enjoy playing it. But I don't like the way EA handles the online aspects. I'm posting here to say so. Isn't that allowed? I think it is.

Of course it is. The whole "I hate DLC" thing gets old pretty fast though. I understand not liking it, I don't understand telling people how much you don't like it constantly. Not like it's forced on you.

I don't get the whole "telling people to ****** off because their opinion is different to yours" thing either. 

In a way, BIoware is making us buy the DLC. They have a freaking guy in the camp with a giant ! above his head which you can only get rid of if you purchase the DLC. I'm a perfectionist. I like to finish all side quests and main quests. Having a guy with a giant ! which I can't get rid is not something I'm too fond about. It's an advertisement you can't get rid off, that's quite pathetic. 

[Jolly Teaparty]

flamingdts wrote...

In a way, BIoware is making us buy the DLC. They have a freaking guy in the camp with a giant ! above his head which you can only get rid of if you purchase the DLC. I'm a perfectionist. I like to finish all side quests and main quests. Having a guy with a giant ! which I can't get rid is not something I'm too fond about. It's an advertisement you can't get rid off, that's quite pathetic. 

Whilst I agree with your original live-and-let-live sentiment, I feel compelled to point out this is like complaining that you're hungry and there's a restaurant with the audacity to put their chairs and tables in the street so they should give you food for free.

[flamingdts]

Jolly Teaparty wrote...

flamingdts wrote...

In a way, BIoware is making us buy the DLC. They have a freaking guy in the camp with a giant ! above his head which you can only get rid of if you purchase the DLC. I'm a perfectionist. I like to finish all side quests and main quests. Having a guy with a giant ! which I can't get rid is not something I'm too fond about. It's an advertisement you can't get rid off, that's quite pathetic. 

Whilst I agree with your original live-and-let-live sentiment, I feel compelled to point out this is like complaining that you're hungry and there's a restaurant with the audacity to put their chairs and tables in the street so they should give you food for free.

Actually, there is a massive difference.

A better analogy would be having paid for the food in a restaurant, and whiles you're waiting for the food, there is a guy with a promotion right next to your face. I paid for the food and the food only. I don't want some promotion, so get rid of it. The same applies to DA:O. I paid for the game, not the DLC. Get rid of these ridiculous advertisements.

When more DLCs are released, you can expect more of these advertisements in the game. I won't be surprised if they replace random encounters with a NPC promoting a DLC with a

"You have to help me, my village was attacked!"

 *Help villager (DLC only). 

Modifié par flamingdts, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:38 .

[Jolly Teaparty]

Editted due to misreading:

It's not like that though, what you're referring to is one guy sitting in camp. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. An ants nest even. I'm going to stick to my analogy and suggest you just walk around the tables.

Modifié par Jolly Teaparty, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:42 .

[Cheiron the Centaur]

Jolly Teaparty wrote...
I tried to load up a game with DLC without being logged in and got an error message which I shall paraphrase since I don't have it in front of me:  "This saved game includes BioWare premium content. To load this saved
game, an owner of the following premium content must log in: The Stone Prisoner."

Find the file AddIns.xml in your C:\\Documents and Settings\\Username\\My Documents\\BioWare\\Dragon Age\\Settings folder. Edit it, and look for entries that say RequiresAuthorization="1". Change the 1 to 0 and save.

That should stop the need for online authorisation of your saved games.

[Jolly Teaparty]

Cheiron the Centaur wrote...

Find the file AddIns.xml in your C:\\\\Documents and Settings\\\\Username\\\\My Documents\\\\BioWare\\\\Dragon Age\\\\Settings folder. Edit it, and look for entries that say RequiresAuthorization="1". Change the 1 to 0 and save.

That should stop the need for online authorisation of your saved games.

Oh cool. It's not really a problem for me at the moment but if my internet connection goes down when I want to play that'll be handy, thanks.

[Cheiron the Centaur]

flamingdts wrote...
A better analogy would be having paid for the food in a restaurant, and whiles you're waiting for the food, there is a guy with a promotion right next to your face. I paid for the food and the food only. I don't want some promotion, so get rid of it.

Or: you have paid for your food in a restaurant, and while you're waiting for your food to arrive, you notice this card standing on the table that informs you about all possible drinks and deserts that you can order, and how much they cost. Never happened to you? It's pretty common in my country, and to be honest, it doesn't really bother me. They're not forcing me to buy those deserts, are they?

[flamingdts]

Jolly Teaparty wrote...

Editted due to misreading:

It's not like that though, what you're referring to is one guy sitting in camp. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. An ants nest even. I'm going to stick to my analogy and suggest you just walk around the tables.

Your analogy implies I'm complaining about a demo, which would be a legit argument

However, the problem is I paid. 

Imagine if you paid for a movie, and whiles you're watching the movie a small commercial appears at the bottom of the theater screen. You wouldn't want that would you? You want to enjoy your game as a game, not a game with advertisements. 

Cheiron the Centaur wrote...

Or: you have paid for your food in a restaurant, and while you're waiting for your food to arrive, you notice this card standing on the table that informs you about all possible drinks and deserts that you can order, and how much they cost. Never happened to you? It's pretty common in my country, and to be honest, it doesn't really bother me. They're not forcing me to buy those deserts, are they?

Sure, that analogy works too. But hey, you can ask them to take it away can't you? 

These analogies (including mine), aren't entirely accurate. The point is I paid for the contents of the game, but they added an advertisement to the contents of my game. I'm just going to throw one more analogy out there. Imagine every two pages of your book there is an advertisement on it. I get an advertisement every time I visit my camp. 

Modifié par flamingdts, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:58 .

[Jolly Teaparty]

The guy above you said it way better than I ever could.

[InstantCoffee]

Kralon wrote...

Just thought I'd point out one reason WHY EULAs are non-binding and have absolutely no chance of enforcement in court.

In the case of PC games, and console games for that matter now, you are not allowed to see the EULA until after you buy the game, open it up, install, and then hit play. So now the game is used, and in the case of PC games, non-returnable for refund.

So this means if you decide not to accept the EULA on a PC game, you do not get the game you paid for AND you don't get a refund ( unless you were smart enough to buy it with a credit card and do a charge back ).

In any case, you cannot enforce a "contract" that requires you to purchase the item BEFORE you see the terms of the "contract". Also, pushing a "button" on a computer screen does not give the same weight of authorization/acceptance as an actual signature, since there is no way for the company to 100% say in good faith that YOU hit that "accept" button.

This. Completely true, at least in EU. I don't know about non-EU countries though.

Modifié par InstantCoffee, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:54 .

[Cheiron the Centaur]

flamingdts wrote...
I'm just going to throw one more analogy out there. Imagine every two pages of your book there is an advertisement on it. 

Have you ever read a magazine (or taken a subscription to one) ?

Modifié par Cheiron the Centaur, 02 décembre 2009 - 06:01 .

[Jolly Teaparty]

flamingdts wrote...



The point is I paid for the contents of the game, but they added an advertisement to the contents of my game. I'm just going to throw one more analogy out there. Imagine every two pages of your book there is an advertisement on it. I get an advertisement every time I visit my camp.

The reason I can't see it your way is you're trying to portrait the in-game advert as something invasive, when in fact it's one guy who you don't even have to click on. If you were forced into conversation with him every time you entered camp and had to whack escape repeatedly to get away from him then you'd have a point.

[Cheiron the Centaur]

Kralon wrote...
Just thought I'd point out one reason WHY EULAs are non-binding and have absolutely no chance of enforcement in court.

Actually, part of the issue here is the amount of information that EA is allowed to collect through this EULA. No matter if the EULA is binding in court or not, they will collect this information if you enable them to.
And I have no intention whatsoever of taking them to court because I don't want to provide them with all the info they require. I do however want to have the option to refuse them certain information, while still being able to fully access the DLC I purchased (including reinstalls/revalidations when necessary).

[mmmbeerz]

InstantCoffee wrote...

Kralon wrote...

Just thought I'd point out one reason WHY EULAs are non-binding and have absolutely no chance of enforcement in court.

In the case of PC games, and console games for that matter now, you are not allowed to see the EULA until after you buy the game, open it up, install, and then hit play. So now the game is used, and in the case of PC games, non-returnable for refund.

So this means if you decide not to accept the EULA on a PC game, you do not get the game you paid for AND you don't get a refund ( unless you were smart enough to buy it with a credit card and do a charge back ).

In any case, you cannot enforce a "contract" that requires you to purchase the item BEFORE you see the terms of the "contract". Also, pushing a "button" on a computer screen does not give the same weight of authorization/acceptance as an actual signature, since there is no way for the company to 100% say in good faith that YOU hit that "accept" button.

This. Completely true, at least in EU. I don't know about non-EU countries though.

This would NOT be the case in the United States. It's a line of reasoning pushed by computer folks that doesn't hold water when you actually look at the cases.

Furthermore, that's not at all the case with the TOS/EULA that EA imposed. In that case, it appears that it is required for 1) online stuff; 2) to download patches and DLC; and 3) to use the EA provided DLC (I just tested it, it requires you to be logged in lest you be prompted with something about premium content).  As a result, their provision of a "service" means that EACH instance of the service is a NEW offering and the subject matter of a new contract.