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[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Zoomed in on both those pics with my iPad and the eyes are astonishingly similar, if the op doesn't cave on the eyes show the op a close up of each eye, same eyes.

[Cazlee]

Unschuld wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

Does someone have a non-CGI closeup of TIM's eyes in ME3?

Why? Are you going to argue that because the pattern isn't as sharp as the pattern of TIM's eyes that it must be a false presumption? By the way, there's this amazing thing called google...

I did that already... the reason I posted the picture of my Shepard's eyes is because I still don't see a perfect match, or even a close match to TIM's machine eyes. 

I just wanted a non-CGI ME3 TIM on this thread for comparison.

[noobcannon]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Zoomed in on both those pics with my iPad and the eyes are astonishingly similar, if the op doesn't cave on the eyes show the op a close up of each eye, same eyes.

you might say the OP is.....

.....puts on sunglasses......

.....grasping at emergency induction ports....


....YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH.....

[DevilBeast]

Cheezer wrote...

Not saying this disproves your disprovement of the indoctrination theory, but you kinda have to understand what you're going up against here:
Prothean VI's weren't perfect, they can't accurately detect indoctrination or indoctrination wouldn't be an issue.
Second: The indoctrination theororists believe that the final scenes up in the citadel aren't really happening, so shepard opening the arms has nothing to do with him being indoctrinated or not, as it is all in his mind, like inception.

Just understand what you're trying to disprove before launching...

And who says the Prothean VI didn´t actually sense indoctrination on Shepard?? Remember how it, when Shep tries to question it, eludes the question and finally says "indoctrinated individual present" (can´t remember the exact wording) and then Kau Leng shows up. Of course it would be logical to assume that it refers to Leng but what if it also meant Shepard??

Alot of speculation.

[Cazlee]

KaeserZen wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

Does someone have a non-CGI closeup of TIM's eyes in ME3?
His eyes are clearly unnatural, I'm sorry but Shep's eyes still look natural, aside from the brightness.

You can still see that this is the same eyes. Aside again from a slightly different blue hue


If after these images you won't acknowledge that these are indeed the same eyes, regardless of their origin, then you are simply trying to dodge the topic.

Thank you for posting a comparison pic from in game.  I'm being honest when I say that without the double Iris ring or the perfect globes, they are not the same eyes. I'm not being stubborn here, I'm just as confused as you guys seeing the same eyes as you probably are about me not seeing it. The reason I posted the picture in the first place is because I don't see it...

Modifié par Cazlee, 27 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Wow okay, I guess someone needs to post a close up of the eyes for you then, I would but I am not able to do that on my iPad.

Just wow how you can't see those are the same eyes...

The two orbs are as clear as day.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 27 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[skiadopsendow]

They have the same pattern, lol

[noobcannon]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Wow okay, I guess someone needs to post a close up of the eyes for you then, I would but I am not able to do that on my iPad.

Just wow how you can't see those are the same eyes...

The two orbs are as clear as day.

[DevilBeast]

Cazlee wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

Does someone have a non-CGI closeup of TIM's eyes in ME3?
His eyes are clearly unnatural, I'm sorry but Shep's eyes still look natural, aside from the brightness.

You can still see that this is the same eyes. Aside again from a slightly different blue hue


If after these images you won't acknowledge that these are indeed the same eyes, regardless of their origin, then you are simply trying to dodge the topic.

Thank you for posting a comparison pic from in game.  I'm being honest when I say that without the double Iris ring or the perfect globes, they are not the same eyes. I'm not being stubborn here, I'm just as confused as you guys seeing the same eyes as you probably are about me not seeing it. The reason I posted the picture in the first place is because I don't see it...

You can´t?? Well, would it help if you also looked at a picture of Saren´s eyes?? They are even more similar to Shep´s.

[Cazlee]

I'm going to play the green ending and take some pictures of her eyes.

[DraCZeQQ]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Ofc Indoc. theory is false ... every single point can be explained ... there is no evidence, just a lot of speculation that has been twisted to fit its needs ...

I would love to see all the evidence of the indoc theory be disproved, go ahead, give it a shot.

There is no evidence ... why do you people still use this word ...

EDIT: not to mention that IT is more of a religious cult, so please tell me how do you disprove someones religious believes? I'm pretty sure there is a ton of "evidence" supporting existence of a god(s) for these people

Each and every point of IT can be written of as: Rule of Cool, Bad Writting, Reuse of models, Rushed ending (each one of these is almost licenced trademark of Bioware under EA)

Modifié par DraCZeQQ, 27 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[Dusty Arne]

Cazlee wrote...

IT theory leaves no way to disprove it because "it was all a dream." How can you disprove a dream?

Here are reasons for believing that Shepard is not indoctrinated:

-The proof that the 'starchild' is telling the truth is that all of the ending choices do exactly what starchild says they will.
-The proof that Shepard is not indoctrinated is that the prothean AI does not detect indoctrination in her, and because she is able to open the citadel, the necessary and final step in order to activate the crucible. That is the ultimate test  that TIM fails. (neutral option - TIM literally cannot complete the final step, and this is how he realises he is indoctrinated.)
-Whenever Shepard is being controlled there are wavy lines in her vision. The wavy lines are gone completely when TIM dies.
-If Shepard were truly indoctrinated, she would not be able to destroy the reapers (in the same way TIM could not interact with the citadel control panel). Because the red (destroy) option exists is again proof that she is not indoctrinated.


If the blue and green endings are paths to indoctrination, there would be evidence for it in the two end scenes.

Af course its false..

[Dusty Arne]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Zoomed in on both those pics with my iPad and the eyes are astonishingly similar, if the op doesn't cave on the eyes show the op a close up of each eye, same eyes.

BW just used the same textures, no indoc theory, no mysteries, just a design..

Everybody should stop thinking the impossible whenever they see something..

[DraCZeQQ]

SwobyJ wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Ofc Indoc. theory is false ... every single point can be explained ... there is no evidence, just a lot of speculation that has been twisted to fit its needs ...

I would love to see all the evidence of the indoc theory be disproved, go ahead, give it a shot.

There is no evidence ... why do you people still use this word ...

There is a TON of evidence. But it can be all circumstantial, etc. There is no PROOF, until Bioware states something, and/or there is a major leak confirming things. Otherwise, we're stuck with inconclusive EVIDENCE.

Well there is a WORD OF GOD at the end of the game, cleary stating this was the real thing (also asking you to buy more DLC) ... but hey, lets ignore it ...

[MadRabbit999]

How lovely another ones of the "nay sayers" that speak out of their butt because they are too lazy spending a few hours reading all the proofs out there and watching the videos... what a lovely contribute you have done to these boards.... if you cannot be bothered reading others, why should others bother reading you?

And by the way, I do not support it or dismiss it, but at least I read and question both points of view AFTER documenting myself.

[BigNastE]

Cazlee wrote...

IT theory leaves no way to disprove it because "it was all a dream." How can you disprove a dream?

Here are reasons for believing that Shepard is not indoctrinated:

-The proof that the 'starchild' is telling the truth is that all of the ending choices do exactly what starchild says they will.
-The proof that Shepard is not indoctrinated is that the prothean AI does not detect indoctrination in her, and because she is able to open the citadel, the necessary and final step in order to activate the crucible. That is the ultimate test  that TIM fails. (neutral option - TIM literally cannot complete the final step, and this is how he realises he is indoctrinated.)
-Whenever Shepard is being controlled there are wavy lines in her vision. The wavy lines are gone completely when TIM dies.
-If Shepard were truly indoctrinated, she would not be able to destroy the reapers (in the same way TIM could not interact with the citadel control panel). Because the red (destroy) option exists is again proof that she is not indoctrinated.


If the blue and green endings are paths to indoctrination, there would be evidence for it in the two end scenes.

You are false

[BigNastE]

The Indoctrination Theory is the only way I'm going. Ton of evidence for it.

[Lancane]

For those saying that the indoctrination theory has no basis, then I'll point to something that has been stated by Bioware regarding a game, a very particular game that has to do with Mass Effect 3, that would be Mass Effect: Infiltrator. According to the games description, and I quote - "Randall begins the game hunting down a turian for Cerberus. During this mission it is revealed that he has been extensively modified with implants and that he has taken to them much faster than most Cerberus Operatives. He is not aware that the implants were supposed to have indoctrinated him (it becomes clear as events transpire that they have failed)."

The main protagonist is suppose to be indoctrinated, how does that effect Shepard...according to the description of Randall Enzo, 'Randall wears Cerberus armor and bears the markings of Cerberus implants on his face not unlike those of Commander Shepard following the Lazarus Project, albeit blue instead of red.'

Modifié par Lancane, 27 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[Blackguard82]

I am guessing nobody noticed that the starchild is the kid that shepard fails to save and sees in his dreams?

[Icinix]

Bah! Your False Theory is Indoctrinated!