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[Grumpy-Mcfart]

Chaota Vos wrote...

I haven't seen any demands for the whole thing to be scrapped.

I stand by my opinion that 90% of the game is great, with only the ending and several other factors like the journal bringing it down.

this.

[CrazyRah]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

To be fair, this wasn't even close to the quality ME1 or ME2 was.

A lot of the hate is justified, then again a lot of it isn't.

This. ME3 is good but compared to ME1 and ME2 it's lackluster :/

[Inxentas]

Speculations on the "why" aside, I agree with the OP and I am not really enjoying ME3 as I did the previous games. I had imports ready for every class, but I'm bored with the game halfway through my third playthrough. I was able to replay ME1 & ME2 6 times easily, but after doing my second ME3 run it starts to feel like a chore. Could BW have done better despite us being a hardass crowd to please? I think they could, but not under EA's banner and not within the timeframe they have been given.

The main problems with the game (for me at least) are the horrible ending(s), the static pace, and the fact that replaying the game offers slight changes only. Also, aside from the Geth Consensus (which is even unfailable AFAIK) there was little out of the standard template of go there > shoot stuff > go back.

[Esternogligen]

The longer the fans stew in their feelings of disappointment, betrayal and hatred without BioWare saying anything definitive, the worse it's gonna get.

The endings not only destroyed ME3 and any replay value, it also undermined the entire trilogy.
From what I've seen in the past week, Mass Effect as a whole is already beyond saving.
Marred beyond repair for any epilogue or DLC.

[Kondorr]

There is stuff clearly wrong with the core game... like quest log not updating properly, bugged missions (Kasumi), really bad animations...

but these things do not nullify the re-playability of this AND the previous games... the Ending does that... with a little help of the face-import-bug...

I don't care about this weeks malcontent... I hold the line with last weeks ending-malcontent

[JPR1964]

Kondorr wrote...

There is stuff clearly wrong with the core game... like quest log not updating properly, bugged missions (Kasumi), really bad animations...

but these things do not nullify the re-playability of this AND the previous games... the Ending does that... with a little help of the face-import-bug...

I don't care about this weeks malcontent... I hold the line with last weeks ending-malcontent

Pretty much my opinion...

Ending killed the replay value and all the defaults than can have been overlooked easily with great endings are just now more apparent...

For me BW just shoot themselves in the foot.

JPR out!

[Catroi]

I have always said that the game was only a TPS with a bit of dialogs, the only thing that saved it was the story wich is destroyed by the ending

[Militarized]

A lot of ME3 is done well... it is not a perfect game though and the endings ruin it, opening it up to more criticism. It ripped us out of the story and made us reevaluate the whole thing.

That wouldn't have happened if the ending was even halfway decent I think.

[Phobius9]

The game has been out less than a month in some countries. I wouldn't expect Bioware to officially say anything about anything until either PAX or at some point next month (which is when I believe they've said they will shed some light on the situation). Hoping for anything before that is, in my opinion, getting your hopes up for nothing. I'm sure they're as frustrated at the situation as we are, but don't forget - there are probably legal or PR reasons for not responding that we're not privy to. I don't see Bioware as a company that just 'ignores' it's fans - indeed evidence suggests otherwise.

[Unlimited69x]

ME3 had a lot riding on it. I had high expectations. It was still a good ME game, but didn't feel like a finished ME product.

[ticklefist]

If ME3 had a standard ME1, ME2 type ending, I'd say it was a good game but my least favorite of the three. Now if it had an amazing ending it could have topped both. It has neither and has disappointed me thoroughly.

[Aslanasadi]

I hate the similar bitter and weird endings, nothing will ever change that.
But besides that I really enjoyed the game. Sure it has some flaws and not all is perfect, but it was a great experience for me.
So I can't say I hate the whole game, because I don't. I only hate the last 10/15 minutes of it

[Klijpope]

Folk are talking themselves into hating the game as a form of groupthink. Predictable.

[Zaalbar]

As far as I'm concerned, only the ending is bad and should be gutted.
The rest of the game is great but the end just makes ME3 feel unfinished and underdeveloped.
Its a shame because it effectively destroys the entire ME franchise for me, I'm at least put off buying any future DLC unless its related to fixing the ending. Any other DlC not related to the ending will just seem pointless at this point.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

It's because the whole hatred concerning the ending has worn off and people are able to focus/realize that the rest of the game has faults too.

[Hudathan]

askanec wrote...

I recall ME2 had lots of people hating as well. Hating on the planet scanning, hating on the lack-of-RPG-elements, hating on the lack-of-inventory, hating on the lack-of-Mako, hating on the comparatively weaker storyline, hating on the why-did-they-copy-Gears-of-War. There's no end to it.

ME3 could be the best game in the world, and people will still find something to cry about.

[Element Zero]

The game really did have issues. As people finally manage to complete at least a second playthrough, these issues become more obvious. The games is fun, but not outstanding, even excluding the endings.

Plus, the longer Bioware lets this situation dangle unresolved, things will get uglier. I'm impressed that things have stayed as positive as they are. We'll see what happens if April supplies the "wrong answer".

[Inxentas]

Phobius9 wrote...

The game has been out less than a month in some countries. I wouldn't expect Bioware to officially say anything about anything until either PAX or at some point next month (which is when I believe they've said they will shed some light on the situation). Hoping for anything before that is, in my opinion, getting your hopes up for nothing. I'm sure they're as frustrated at the situation as we are, but don't forget - there are probably legal or PR reasons for not responding that we're not privy to. I don't see Bioware as a company that just 'ignores' it's fans - indeed evidence suggests otherwise.

While this is understandable from a business standpoint, that's too late. Next month I will be playing the next shoot-the-aliens videogame because this one is boring me. Next month I will have forgotten about ME3, because this isn't 1999 anymore. This is the age of utilizing nasty business tricks to sell (parts of) video games, the age where you can't buy a second hand game without being locked out of content, the age of pre-order bonusses, empty promises and flat out lies.

What I am saying is, it's up to them to make a move, and they better be quick about it, for their own sake. I can only speak for myself off course, but I am losing interest. Fast. Acting quicker on the current customer dissatisfaction might save them some fans. Legal issues are not OUR issues. If they have some monkey with a tie above them that keeps them from doing their work, then that is their problem. I do not wish to take business or art into consideration at all: I am a consumer that knows jack **** about business or art, nor do I care. I just want to play good games.

1) I bought something, even payed extra money for extra content.
2) I'm not happy with it, so the developers lose credit with me.
3) I will not buy the next BioWare game for the release price.

It is up to them to make this right, if they want to, when they want to, but it is up to me to decide if I want to to through with this as a loyal consumer. And currently I am not. Five years ago I absolutely had to have the latest BioWare RPG. Right now I couldn't care less what BioWare is going to do in the future. It's probably nothing I'm willing to purchase anyway. Sorry for sounding so negative, but that's what exposure to the endings will do with a person.

[Seival]

xsdob wrote...

Are we moving from hating the endings to hating the whole game already?

Not yet... It depends on how BioWare will resolve the situation.

[Baine10]

Let's say that to endings botch was a drop of a liquid that expands infinitely upon contact with a surface, and your surface is Mass Effect 3. The drop hit the surface on 6th~7th MARCH.

It is now the 28th. People get angry and some of their anger never stops, it just keeps growing and infecting others.

[Phobius9]

Double post ahoy

Modifié par Phobius9, 28 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[Phobius9]

Inxentas wrote...

Phobius9 wrote...

The game has been out less than a month in some countries. I wouldn't expect Bioware to officially say anything about anything until either PAX or at some point next month (which is when I believe they've said they will shed some light on the situation). Hoping for anything before that is, in my opinion, getting your hopes up for nothing. I'm sure they're as frustrated at the situation as we are, but don't forget - there are probably legal or PR reasons for not responding that we're not privy to. I don't see Bioware as a company that just 'ignores' it's fans - indeed evidence suggests otherwise.

While this is understandable from a business standpoint, that's too late. Next month I will be playing the next shoot-the-aliens videogame because this one is boring me. Next month I will have forgotten about ME3, because this isn't 1999 anymore. This is the age of utilizing nasty business tricks to sell (parts of) video games, the age where you can't buy a second hand game without being locked out of content, the age of pre-order bonusses, empty promises and flat out lies.

What I am saying is, it's up to them to make a move, and they better be quick about it, for their own sake. I can only speak for myself off course, but I am losing interest. Fast. Acting quicker on the current customer dissatisfaction might save them some fans. Legal issues are not OUR issues. If they have some monkey with a tie above them that keeps them from doing their work, then that is their problem. I do not wish to take business or art into consideration at all: I am a consumer that knows jack **** about business or art, nor do I care. I just want to play good games.

1) I bought something, even payed extra money for extra content.
2) I'm not happy with it, so the developers lose credit with me.
3) I will not buy the next BioWare game for the release price.

It is up to them to make this right, if they want to, when they want to, but it is up to me to decide if I want to to through with this as a loyal consumer. And currently I am not. Five years ago I absolutely had to have the latest BioWare RPG. Right now I couldn't care less what BioWare is going to do in the future. It's probably nothing I'm willing to purchase anyway. Sorry for sounding so negative, but that's what exposure to the endings will do with a person.

But can you honestly say that, should Bioware release 'ending DLC' and it's so amazing that everyone raves about it, that you won't download it? If you do, dosn't that render the period you spent ignoring the game/playing something else mute? And surely the next Bioware game, Mass Effect or otherwise, is years off anyway? In that time people will have played other games and moved on anyway, but that dosn't effect the sales of the new title when it comes out.

I'm not sure I'm doing a good job of explaining myself here. I'm not having a go at you, I can sympathise with your feelings, really I can - it's not my intention to dismiss them as irrevlevant either. All I'm trying (failing?) to say is that, time tends to mellow people's opinions. I can imagine that a lot of people saying "I'll never buy another Bioware game again!" could be putting their cash down when the next title drops in a few years time, or when the next bit of DLC for ME3 comes out (assuming it's any good).

Blerg, that dosn't really say what I wanted it to say. Sorry. I think I'm running out of coffee my end...

Modifié par Phobius9, 28 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[Rudy Lis]

Acidrain92 wrote...

first of all, god dammit! I keep mixing up Paladin and Palaven xD christ. I need to stop playing Realm of the Mad God.

The only Realms I know of were Forgotten Realms (also Lord of the realms). So I'm familiar with Paladins, yes.  Even played some. It's quite funny "hey, you LE guy, you must play paladin!" How the hell is that?

Acidrain92 wrote...

and yeah. To each his own. I really loved the game for what it was and can set aside a majority of its "faults" because I really appreciate the story, the conversations, the relationships, the gameplay, and the differences between everybody's playthroughs...all up to the ending anyway.

Exactly. And because I appreciate story, conversations, quests, relationships and gameplay, I cannot enjoy ME3. I tried to play completely different character (pro-cerberus, total paragon, renegade who yet save everyone he can), results are basically the same. What, 10 points for brains versus heart and "that's why I destroy/gave base to you"? Srsly? Oh, yes, David Archer unlocks the door with "lots of guns" (one mattock). That's deserve rewriting Metallica's "Nothing (else) matters", really.

Acidrain92 wrote...

but yeah, I can be easily influenced, so as soon as this Mass Effect 3 hate really starts getting out of control, I am OUT of here. I dont mind talking about the ending controversy, but I wont stick around if it means my opinion of the majority of the game is going to be changed.

Why change your opinion based on words of others? You liked game, good for you, you can enjoy it more and more. I don't. Nothing (except Enhanced Edition, which is doesn't make it, since bEAware are not CDPR) will change that.

Inxentas wrote...

Also, aside from the Geth Consensus (which is even unfailable AFAIK) there was little out of the standard template of go there > shoot stuff > go back.

C'mon, it's still same go there>shoot stuff>get back. Only there are fewer things, they bigger and static. And you have infinite ammo. Concept later used in Javik's gun. Which still absorbs every ****ing thermal clip around!