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[pokemaughan]

Er, wrong universe

[CJohnJones]

Would hate that with a passion.

[Creature 1]

CJohnJones wrote...

Would hate that with a passion.

Quoted for truth. 

[Dex1701]

Also, they're not from Baldur's Gate...they were in Baldur's Gate, but they're from Forgotten Realms, which is D&D and owned by Wizards of the Coast. It would be out of place, not to mention illegal.

[MerinTB]

Dex1701 wrote...

Also, they're not from Baldur's Gate...they were in Baldur's Gate, but they're from Forgotten Realms, which is D&D and owned by Wizards of the Coast. It would be out of place, not to mention illegal.

Not to nitpick, as I'm sure you didn't mean to imply otherwise but ...

Baldur's Gate took place in the Forgotten Realms as Amn, the city of Baldur's Gate, the Sword Coast, etc., are from the Forgotten Realms.

DAO, however, is not D&D in any way, shape, or form - it's an original property.

And before we hear about how "elves, dwarves, etc" are not "original" - neither are vampires, but Anne Rice ain't suing Joss Whedon who ain't Charlene Harris who ain't suing Stepanie Meyer - all of whom aren't being sued by Bram Stoker's estate.

yes, fantasy staples - as are terrorists in action films and initial antagonistic relations in romantic comedies.

[Trigonous]

Drizzt should never have existed. Dark Elves are Chaotic Evil. Always. This is why I never allow one of my players to play as a Drow. They just always channel Drizzt, and it's not fun.

[Rythuria]

Could pull a Gaxkang maybe, Elprest the Tevinter Magister? Though I'm sure Wizards of the Coast would get uppity if there were too many.

[Thelgow]

Id like another good d&d setting game. Nice established rulesets. Then again 4th edition is a damn mmo with dice...

[aberdash]

Trigonous wrote...

Dark Elves are Chaotic Evil. Always.

Thats like saying a paladin will never under any circumstance commit an evil act because they are a paladin.

[MerinTB]

Thelgow wrote...

Id like another good d&d setting game. Nice established rulesets. Then again 4th edition is a damn mmo with dice...

Man, I disagree with part of your sentiment -

I'd love a D&D CRPG using the current world and rules of 4th ED.  I know there are many 3.5 fans who hate the change, but there were tons of 2nd ED fans who hated 3.5 and the whole Magic the Gathering CCGing of D&D, too.

Heck, I remember a stink amongst gamers about 2nd Edition versus 1st. *shrug*

But, yes, I'm very eager to see someone use the 4th ED rules for a new D&D CRPG.  If you like 3.5, you've got the NWN games.

[EzraMichael]

Trigonous wrote...

Drizzt should never have existed. Dark Elves are Chaotic Evil. Always. This is why I never allow one of my players to play as a Drow. They just always channel Drizzt, and it's not fun.

Dude, thats like saying all irish are baby making wife beating drunk catholics...not fair. Assuming a persons ethics and morals due to heritage, thought we were past all that....anyway i gotta get to the pub guys see ya later! If I dont leave now me pregnant wife is gonna wake up and want me to go to church and she already looks like hell with one black eye..

[Dalyaria]

Trigonous wrote...

Drizzt should never have existed. Dark Elves are Chaotic Evil. Always. This is why I never allow one of my players to play as a Drow. They just always channel Drizzt, and it's not fun.

Why don't you allow them to play as evil dark elves? Or would they channel Drizzt anyways? 

...I agree with you, to an extent. Matriarch Malice should have decimated Drizzt in combat, sacrificed his soul to Lolth and thrown his still-living husk of a body to the driders. The story of him managing to beat all those people in Underdark was just utterly unrealistic and a slap in the face of all evil priestesses

[Sloth Of Doom]

This rarely happens, but I'm going to disagree with Merin on this one. 4th edition is a terrible ruleset for an RPG. It is more like a miniatures battle game than any sort of roe-playing game. Hell, your characters have no skills EXCEPT combat skills. In many ways it is D&D coming full circle, it started because players wanted to give their wargame minis some personality, grew to encompass some really fantastic settings and character development, and now is turning back int a wargame. This new 'generic unnamed 4e world with 1 dimensional unkillabe people' is, in my opinion, boring as hell.



So..now that I am totally offtopic just let me say that Drizzt is a terrible, terrible character and every time a book about him comes out it is worse than the last. 1000 Orcs kept making me fall asleep. Elminster is an ok character idea, the problem is that Ed Greenwood is NOT a good author. He is a great world architect and has some fantastic ideas, but his novel writing is terribly sub-par. I have played D&D for over 2 decades and ove it to death, but that doesn't mean I want to see these crap characters in a ame that has nothing to do with them.

[F-C]

Trigonous wrote...

Drizzt should never have existed. Dark Elves are Chaotic Evil. Always. This is why I never allow one of my players to play as a Drow. They just always channel Drizzt, and it's not fun.

you obviously didnt read the books. i read them when i was a kid and i thought they were quite good at the time, and it explains his story from childhood onward. if you had read them you would understand.

[F-C]

Dalyaria wrote...
 a slap in the face of all evil priestesses

[DaeFaron]

Trigonous wrote...

Drizzt should never have existed. Dark Elves are Chaotic Evil. Always. This is why I never allow one of my players to play as a Drow. They just always channel Drizzt, and it's not fun.

Just like you cannot be a lawful good tiefling hmm?

I have never read or touched the rulebooks since the extent of my D&D is neverwinter nights, but I hate people that follow the rules so blindly to ban characters with unique backgrounds.

[Dalyaria]

F-C wrote...

Dalyaria wrote...
 a slap in the face of all evil priestesses

Aaahahahahahahaaa!!

[Slyxen]

MerinTB wrote...

I'd love a D&D CRPG using the current world and rules of 4th ED. 

But, yes, I'm very eager to see someone use the 4th ED rules for a new D&D CRPG.  If you like 3.5, you've got the NWN games.

Me too. I think the 4th edition rules will translate very well into a CRPG.

[MerinTB]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

This rarely happens, but I'm going to disagree with Merin on this one. 4th edition is a terrible ruleset for an RPG. It is more like a miniatures battle game than any sort of roe-playing game. Hell, your characters have no skills EXCEPT combat skills. In many ways it is D&D coming full circle, it started because players wanted to give their wargame minis some personality, grew to encompass some really fantastic settings and character development, and now is turning back int a wargame. This new 'generic unnamed 4e world with 1 dimensional unkillabe people' is, in my opinion, boring as hell.

So..now that I am totally offtopic just let me say that Drizzt is a terrible, terrible character and every time a book about him comes out it is worse than the last. 1000 Orcs kept making me fall asleep. Elminster is an ok character idea, the problem is that Ed Greenwood is NOT a good author. He is a great world architect and has some fantastic ideas, but his novel writing is terribly sub-par. I have played D&D for over 2 decades and ove it to death, but that doesn't mean I want to see these crap characters in a ame that has nothing to do with them.

4th ED not only gave us Skill Challenges (which creates a nice mechanic for using non-combat skills as well as a method for granting XP for using skills where most RPGs onlygive XP for combat) but limited the ridiculous number of cross-class creation that makes no story nor character sense but looks good via numbers on paper.

I'm sorry you don't like it, Sloth, but it brought me back to D&D after it was CCG'd initially by WotC.  I'd rather have it MMO'd than CCG'd.

It is no more combat or mini oriented than D&D ever was - the rules are just CLEARER now so how much the game is focused on mini combat is blatant instead of buried under poor writing and design.

Seriously, you can easily role-play 4th ED.  Have you checked out any of the Powers supplements, or the DMG2, for how much advice and focus there IS on non-combat character building, history, backgrounds, etc?

EDIT - and while we do agree on Greenwood (Spellfire was a hard read and I never looked for another novel by Ed afterwards), I really enjoyed Salvatore's series.  Sure, it dragged in the middle, but for me the last trilogy was pretty good. *shrug*  But that's from a guy who was told he only reads "trash" fantasy since he couldn't "appreciate" LotR.

And I don't.  To me Tolkien is nearly unreadable.

Don't like Jordan either.  And I wanted to like Shannara but couldn't, sorry Brooks. :/

Feist was ok.

Modifié par MerinTB, 02 décembre 2009 - 04:57 .

[DaeFaron]

Never read the forgotten realms books.



I personally like LOTR and Shannara, especially how he's taking it right now

[Loetek]

You all = a bunch of Re Re



Drizzt was a highly detailed character. To say he sucks or is terrible is like saying the sky smells purple. If Drizzt sucks in anyway shape or form its because R A Salvatore is a horrible writer. And if you say he is a horrible writer then I would like to see you do better.



To the person saying "All cars HAVE to have four wheels. So its stupid if it doesn't" Your a moron.



And to the person saying that for someone to overcome overwhelming odds is impossible... you obviously are not military or prior military.

[Sloth Of Doom]

I think skill challenges are freaking stupid. Rolling the dice 20 tims to see if i can impress someone is silly, the older systems where you had actual skills and personality were better, IMHO.



4e is -totally- mini oriented. You can't play a class like a warlord without a proper batte map 1st and 2nd edition (and to a lesser extent third) were easily playable without any character representation at all.



Anyways, I don;t want to turn a DA forum into a giant D&D debate, so let me conclude with this:



Jordan is a hack. That whole damned series is the same 2 chapters told over and over.

Spellfire was one of the most painful books I have ever read. It is also the best Greenwood book I have ever read.......do the math



LotR is easily Toklien's most readable piece, the Hobbit is incredibly dull and the Silmarillion is worse than reading the bible.

[Taleroth]

Pratchett is god.

[addiction21]

Loetek wrote...

You all = a bunch of Re Re

Drizzt was a highly detailed character. To say he sucks or is terrible is like saying the sky smells purple. If Drizzt sucks in anyway shape or form its because R A Salvatore is a horrible writer. And if you say he is a horrible writer then I would like to see you do better.

To the person saying "All cars HAVE to have four wheels. So its stupid if it doesn't" Your a moron.

And to the person saying that for someone to overcome overwhelming odds is impossible... you obviously are not military or prior military.

Translation:  "OMG you insulted my fantasy HERO!!! YOUR ALL STUPID AND DUMB DUMBS. Boooooooo you!!! Your morons"