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The Indoctrination Theory Has no Logic. It Isn't real. So Stop Saying That Shepard Is Indoctrinated, Because He's Not.


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#176
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Draconis6666 wrote...

sartt wrote...

Falconee wrote...

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Are you ****ing retarded? The whole point of the final battle is a way for Reapers to deal with you via negotiation, and giving the illusion of choice in a negotiation is a perfectly valid move.


Which would mean they sold us an unfinished game without the intention to clarify the ending. Because they were pretty much suprised the community disliked it.

Bioware stated: "Clearing" and "Closure", not telling another "after-Indoc" story.

The text after the game says, no matter your choice, you defeated the reapers and became legend.

You get the "Destroy" option as your first choice. If you dont have enough EMS this is your ONLY choice.
IT states: Destroy is your way rejecting the Indoctrination.
How should that come together? If you are unprepared and your forces are weak you can always reject Indoctrination?

Wow the only person who actually understands what i've been trying to say. Yet the sheeple continue to debate the ending of the game.



Except thats not what you said, what he just said is a logical argument what you said was innane dribble that ignored all the points of the argument it was attacking and gave evidence that supported nothing and in facted used the wrong evidence out of the evidence available while attempting to argue that something else was illogical. So your either a troll or have no idea what the word logic actualy means.


He chose green...

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 27 mars 2012 - 03:54 .


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it also states that sub 4000 EMS options don't have a shepard lives options because, conventionally, he doesn't have enough troops to even consider winning this battle in any way shape or form and thus harbinger doesn't bother pulling out the stops to give him the illusion of choice. 
Again, it's all in there if you read it. I'm not saying it's good, but it's still there, and still better than the current endings.

looks like you lose again, go home.

Modifié par bigbade, 27 mars 2012 - 03:54 .


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cyric085 wrote...

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...

 
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so tired of trolls so i go with both

just that he isn't even a good troll just a stupid one


Both, spelling and grammar are on par with that of my pet dog. Rambling, incoherant post with inconsistant comma use. Or as Tracey Jordan said, "You need to study your grammar, son."

I also liked the part where he accuses others of not having a functional brain, yet this post reads like something you would find in the diary of a serial killer.

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Lochias WH wrote...

I tbink I just saw the OP claim that the IT is fake but his crazy irl conspiracy theory is true.

Mind blown.

you have high brain power unlike most others.

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I was under the impression you wernt indoctrinated fully until u made ur finally choice, but its all a indoctrination attempt. Saren had already bowed down to the will of the reapers choosing synthisis and the illusive man choosing to believe in control. Shepard believes in niether until you choose them. Therefore he would not be indoctrinated until the choice has been made.

He presents the Best option as the worst, extreme conditioning is used at this point using the red/blue renegade/paragon options, anouther supposed trick of the reapers, and tricks you into beleiving control is good by telling you the illusive man was rite, he couldnt do it but you can. bang indoctrinated. And that synthisis is good by merging all organic/synthetic life together, but this is essentially what the reapers are doing in the 1st place. Bang indoctrinated.

And then theres Destroy, the only option that gives u a breathing shepard.

I HONESTLY dont believe this was how it was ment it to end, I think alot of people have been studying it all and given a satisfying theory and conclusion that works for them.

Im just sitting on the fence and holding out till april to see what they actually say, if its not indoctrination and they clarify everything id be happy, if it is indoctrination and they clarify this id be happy. Win Win for me.

Or they do poo all in witchcase everyone losses ):

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A little bit of both I'm afraid...

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MadRabbit999 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

sartt wrote...

Falconee wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Are you ****ing retarded? The whole point of the final battle is a way for Reapers to deal with you via negotiation, and giving the illusion of choice in a negotiation is a perfectly valid move.


Which would mean they sold us an unfinished game without the intention to clarify the ending. Because they were pretty much suprised the community disliked it.

Bioware stated: "Clearing" and "Closure", not telling another "after-Indoc" story.

The text after the game says, no matter your choice, you defeated the reapers and became legend.

You get the "Destroy" option as your first choice. If you dont have enough EMS this is your ONLY choice.
IT states: Destroy is your way rejecting the Indoctrination.
How should that come together? If you are unprepared and your forces are weak you can always reject Indoctrination?

Wow the only person who actually understands what i've been trying to say. Yet the sheeple continue to debate the ending of the game.



Except thats not what you said, what he just said is a logical argument what you said was innane dribble that ignored all the points of the argument it was attacking and gave evidence that supported nothing and in facted used the wrong evidence out of the evidence available while attempting to argue that something else was illogical. So your either a troll or have no idea what the word logic actualy means.


He chose green...

i dont remember me choosing anything.

#183
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sartt wrote...

Lochias WH wrote...

I tbink I just saw the OP claim that the IT is fake but his crazy irl conspiracy theory is true.

Mind blown.

you have high brain power unlike most others.


Yeah don't think you really got what he was saying there...

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To the OP
One question for you, if not for being indoctrinated or in the process of being indocrinated how does T.I.M
have the ability to control both Shepard and Anderson? In fact Shepard even mentions (in the first paragon check) that controlling them is different than controlling the reapers.

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JEPrDEE wrote...

I was under the impression you wernt indoctrinated fully until u made ur finally choice, but its all a indoctrination attempt. Saren had already bowed down to the will of the reapers choosing synthisis and the illusive man choosing to believe in control. Shepard believes in niether until you choose them. Therefore he would not be indoctrinated until the choice has been made.

He presents the Best option as the worst, extreme conditioning is used at this point using the red/blue renegade/paragon options, anouther supposed trick of the reapers, and tricks you into beleiving control is good by telling you the illusive man was rite, he couldnt do it but you can. bang indoctrinated. And that synthisis is good by merging all organic/synthetic life together, but this is essentially what the reapers are doing in the 1st place. Bang indoctrinated.

And then theres Destroy, the only option that gives u a breathing shepard.

I HONESTLY dont believe this was how it was ment it to end, I think alot of people have been studying it all and given a satisfying theory and conclusion that works for them.

Im just sitting on the fence and holding out till april to see what they actually say, if its not indoctrination and they clarify everything id be happy, if it is indoctrination and they clarify this id be happy. Win Win for me.

Or they do poo all in witchcase everyone losses ):

read what falconee typed. Bioware than put out a unfinished game and can be sued because of that.

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JEPrDEE wrote...


And then theres Destroy, the only option that gives u a breathing shepard.



It has to be the only one by sheer logic:

Control: Child tells you, you will die...no breathing Shepard.

Synth: You are disintegrated...no breathing Shepard.

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islander91 wrote...

To the OP
One question for you, if not for being indoctrinated or in the process of being indocrinated how does T.I.M
have the ability to control both Shepard and Anderson? In fact Shepard even mentions (in the first paragon check) that controlling them is different than controlling the reapers.


Space magic.

#188
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chester013 wrote...

sartt wrote...

Lochias WH wrote...

I tbink I just saw the OP claim that the IT is fake but his crazy irl conspiracy theory is true.

Mind blown.

you have high brain power unlike most others.


Yeah don't think you really got what he was saying there...

You don't think for me. So it doesn't matter what you think.

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*applause* Appreciate the effort, sartt! I'm off to work in a few, really needed the laugh, and it's a slow day on the Demotivational Posters thread. Thanks! *heads off whistling.*

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islander91 wrote...

To the OP
One question for you, if not for being indoctrinated or in the process of being indocrinated how does T.I.M
have the ability to control both Shepard and Anderson? In fact Shepard even mentions (in the first paragon check) that controlling them is different than controlling the reapers.

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sartt wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

sartt wrote...

Falconee wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Are you ****ing retarded? The whole point of the final battle is a way for Reapers to deal with you via negotiation, and giving the illusion of choice in a negotiation is a perfectly valid move.


Which would mean they sold us an unfinished game without the intention to clarify the ending. Because they were pretty much suprised the community disliked it.

Bioware stated: "Clearing" and "Closure", not telling another "after-Indoc" story.

The text after the game says, no matter your choice, you defeated the reapers and became legend.

You get the "Destroy" option as your first choice. If you dont have enough EMS this is your ONLY choice.
IT states: Destroy is your way rejecting the Indoctrination.
How should that come together? If you are unprepared and your forces are weak you can always reject Indoctrination?

Wow the only person who actually understands what i've been trying to say. Yet the sheeple continue to debate the ending of the game.



Except thats not what you said, what he just said is a logical argument what you said was innane dribble that ignored all the points of the argument it was attacking and gave evidence that supported nothing and in facted used the wrong evidence out of the evidence available while attempting to argue that something else was illogical. So your either a troll or have no idea what the word logic actualy means.


He chose green...

i dont remember me choosing anything.


This reply has made me laugh so hard...

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Hmm, distinct lack of knowledge about topic. Caps lock rage. Must be troll

2/10, you made me think a little bit.

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sartt wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Are you ****ing retarded? The whole point of the final battle is a way for Reapers to deal with you via negotiation, and giving the illusion of choice in a negotiation is a perfectly valid move.

Did bioware at anypoint  up until now say this? NO THEY HAVEN'T YET PEOPLE CONTINUE TO THINK  Shepard is Indoctrinated at some point in this game WHEN HE ISN'T  and cannot be.


Bioware haven't said Shepard isn't being indoctrinated either. It's amazing how you manage to make a point and then invalidate it in the same sentence.

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I am KROGAN wrote...

Hmm, distinct lack of knowledge about topic. Caps lock rage. Must be troll

2/10, you made me think a little bit.

then i have succeded with you.... if only a little

#195
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RavenEyry wrote...

sartt wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Are you ****ing retarded? The whole point of the final battle is a way for Reapers to deal with you via negotiation, and giving the illusion of choice in a negotiation is a perfectly valid move.

Did bioware at anypoint  up until now say this? NO THEY HAVEN'T YET PEOPLE CONTINUE TO THINK  Shepard is Indoctrinated at some point in this game WHEN HE ISN'T  and cannot be.


Bioware haven't said Shepard isn't being indoctrinated either. It's amazing how you manage to make a point and then invalidate it in the same sentence.

Oxymoron.

#196
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MadRabbit999 wrote...

sartt wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

sartt wrote...

Falconee wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Are you ****ing retarded? The whole point of the final battle is a way for Reapers to deal with you via negotiation, and giving the illusion of choice in a negotiation is a perfectly valid move.


Which would mean they sold us an unfinished game without the intention to clarify the ending. Because they were pretty much suprised the community disliked it.

Bioware stated: "Clearing" and "Closure", not telling another "after-Indoc" story.

The text after the game says, no matter your choice, you defeated the reapers and became legend.

You get the "Destroy" option as your first choice. If you dont have enough EMS this is your ONLY choice.
IT states: Destroy is your way rejecting the Indoctrination.
How should that come together? If you are unprepared and your forces are weak you can always reject Indoctrination?

Wow the only person who actually understands what i've been trying to say. Yet the sheeple continue to debate the ending of the game.



Except thats not what you said, what he just said is a logical argument what you said was innane dribble that ignored all the points of the argument it was attacking and gave evidence that supported nothing and in facted used the wrong evidence out of the evidence available while attempting to argue that something else was illogical. So your either a troll or have no idea what the word logic actualy means.


He chose green...

i dont remember me choosing anything.


This reply has made me laugh so hard...

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sartt wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

sartt wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Are you ****ing retarded? The whole point of the final battle is a way for Reapers to deal with you via negotiation, and giving the illusion of choice in a negotiation is a perfectly valid move.

Did bioware at anypoint  up until now say this? NO THEY HAVEN'T YET PEOPLE CONTINUE TO THINK  Shepard is Indoctrinated at some point in this game WHEN HE ISN'T  and cannot be.


Bioware haven't said Shepard isn't being indoctrinated either. It's amazing how you manage to make a point and then invalidate it in the same sentence.

Oxymoron.


In what way?

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islander91 wrote...

To the OP
One question for you, if not for being indoctrinated or in the process of being indocrinated how does T.I.M
have the ability to control both Shepard and Anderson? In fact Shepard even mentions (in the first paragon check) that controlling them is different than controlling the reapers.


The writers left themselves hooks in which to expand what the hell is going on...

Miranda reiterates that the IM  didn't put a control chip in Shepard.   "Oh no, that control freak never put a control chip in you."

The IM now has "psychic like" powers.  He does seem to like Shepard on a personal level.

Very likely IM  went professor X on him in order to slow him down, convince him to give up, put him in a permanent dream.

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RavenEyry wrote...

sartt wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

sartt wrote...

Liquoid wrote...

Are you ****ing retarded? The whole point of the final battle is a way for Reapers to deal with you via negotiation, and giving the illusion of choice in a negotiation is a perfectly valid move.

Did bioware at anypoint  up until now say this? NO THEY HAVEN'T YET PEOPLE CONTINUE TO THINK  Shepard is Indoctrinated at some point in this game WHEN HE ISN'T  and cannot be.


Bioware haven't said Shepard isn't being indoctrinated either. It's amazing how you manage to make a point and then invalidate it in the same sentence.

Oxymoron.


In what way?

Because everything you typed is contradictory, to everything i'v been saying.

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MrDudley wrote...

islander91 wrote...

To the OP
One question for you, if not for being indoctrinated or in the process of being indocrinated how does T.I.M
have the ability to control both Shepard and Anderson? In fact Shepard even mentions (in the first paragon check) that controlling them is different than controlling the reapers.


The writers left themselves hooks in which to expand what the hell is going on...

Miranda reiterates that the IM  didn't put a control chip in Shepard.   "Oh no, that control freak never put a control chip in you."

The IM now has "psychic like" powers.  He does seem to like Shepard on a personal level.

Very likely IM  went professor X on him in order to slow him down, convince him to give up, put him in a permanent dream.

Possibly....