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[Reptilian Rob]

I don't think you know what OP is until you've used the Soldier with just a Revenant.

[slramsey86]

Dealman wrote...

Why's everyone saying it's balanced because it's a Co-Op game? Even though it's a god damn Cooperative Game, things can still be over- and underpowered.

A good Vanguard will ALWAYS have the best score on Silver, no matter what. They're just way too powerful. An Infiltrator can use Cloak quite often, yes. But can't regenerate Shield while doing so.

Vanguard can teleport to an enemy, and away from enemies(If there's another enemy in the distant.), thus out of harm. Vanguard can regenerate shield instantaneously, the charge has a way too fast cooldown. Vanguard deals INSANE area of effect damage, Infiltrator does not.

Stop defending the Vanguard, it's overpowered and that's a fact. Anyone denying it is most liB)kely because you know how overpowered it is, and you use it for that very reason.

And as Kronner mentioned, there's a glitch with the Nova that renders you immune for a very short duration. Therefore the Vanguard is broken and overpowered.

Infiltrator is very good at taking out heavier and slower targets, and still good at taking out the easier ones. However, the Vanguard can take both out with lightning speed while regenerating the barrier constantly, the Infiltrator have to change position and hide to regenerate.

Vanguard takes very little skill to play as opposed by Infiltrator.

[DeathScepter]

Bull ****ing ****. Vanguards are not overpowered. you don't know how to play the other classes.

[slramsey86]

U mad? I'm always the top scorer with Vanguard on multiplayer. U don't know what you're talking about.

[ashwind]

DeathScepter wrote...

Bull ****ing ****. Vanguards are not overpowered. you don't know how to play the other classes.

QFT

As for ppl asying infiltrator requiring the most "skill", infiltrators dont have to use a sniper riffle all the time you know... They can like use other weapons and they dont have to hide under a desk and take cheap shots all the time as well.

Cloak defines the Infiltrator class not the Sniper Riffle otherwise they would have name the class "Sniper"

[Nooneyouknow13]

I honestly found Nova horribly underwhelming. Charge->Nova took much longer to clear a room than just sweeping it with a particle rifle and rank 6 incendiary, even if it wasn't as "safe". Nova simply does not do enough health damage on insanity, especially with the amount of force it has, if you don't corner opponents at least.

[LessPall]

It's interesting reading how other players use the classes. I just finished my Insanity run with my original, 2009-vintage renegade vanguard FemShep.

Much like ME2, the bulk of my power usage was pull, shockwave, and slam as a bonus power. In ME3, EDI and Liara were always at my side, when possible. Very handy all-around team. I only used nova to get out of trouble when swarmed or cornered, and there were no enemies in my LOS to charge to safety. I probably used it a maximum of 8 times. Charge was used mostly as a defensive manoeuvre, for getting out of trouble.

Weapons-wise, I always carried the Hornet, Wraith, and Paladin. I rarely used the shotty, 90% of the time it was the Paladin with Cryo rounds and the Hornet with Incendiary.

[meyerkev]

LessPall wrote...

It's interesting reading how other players use the classes. I just finished my Insanity run with my original, 2009-vintage renegade vanguard FemShep.

Much like ME2, the bulk of my power usage was pull, shockwave, and slam as a bonus power. In ME3, EDI and Liara were always at my side, when possible. Very handy all-around team. I only used nova to get out of trouble when swarmed or cornered, and there were no enemies in my LOS to charge to safety. I probably used it a maximum of 8 times. Charge was used mostly as a defensive manoeuvre, for getting out of trouble.

Weapons-wise, I always carried the Hornet, Wraith, and Paladin. I rarely used the shotty, 90% of the time it was the Paladin with Cryo rounds and the Hornet with Incendiary.

I think that part of it is that 

1) A lot of people probably started playing Vanguard in ME2, so instead of learning the ME1 playstyle (Adept with Shotgun), they learned the ME2 playstyle (CHARGESHOTGUNMELEESHOTGUNDEATHCHARGEMEDIGELCHARGE).  This wasn't helped by:
2) ME2 Shockwave sucked, and you couldn't evolve pull AND Charge fully without losing Squad cryo and your maxed out bonus power.  So either you played a non-Charge Vanguard or a really BAD Charge Vanguard and so everyone went: 
3) If you're not going to Charge, why not play an Adept or a Sentinel?  Because they're just better at being a non-Charge Vanguard than a Vanguard is, especially when you didn't have any long-range guns for the first half of the game (in ME2).  

So now most people think "Vanguard == Insane Frontal Assault class".  And to be fair, the ~2 second cooldown times in ME3 make it exactly that.  

And put me down for Banshees as most annoying.  Unless Charge bugged out, nothing else was even coming close to killing me except for the occasional Brute tag team.  Best way to deal with them is to bring Kaiden and Liara, and just keep using Reave and Warp to set up Explosions.  

[LessPall]

Those are good points. I could have changed classes, yeah, but my Vanguard was my 2nd ever Shepard, and I didn't want to change it.  I do have Adept and Sentinel Sheps ready for import that I haven't done yet.
I did switch up my playstyle a bit from ME2, which was more aggressive, playing it safe where applicable.  Typically I'd stay mid-range and fight until the herd was thinned just enough to be safe, then I'd charge in and clean up, Rambo-style, firing shockwaves while blasting things with my shotgun. I found with the third game that I could stay back farther and cooperate better with the squaddies, due to the other biotic powers having more oomph than before.  Charge was used offensively on occasion, but far, far less than before.  Seems counter-intuitive, but it worked for me.  

Funny you mention upgrading cryo ammo... I never fully evolved that one in the 2nd game.  I preferred incendiary over cryo for some reason.  Possibly had something to do with the sound of flaming Vorcha.

Hahaha.... ah, Banshees, gotta love those.  My tactics with those and Brutes were similar.  EDI and Liara were ordered to Incinerate/Warp or Overload/Warp, plus blast away with their Scorpions to whittle them down while I alternated between arms fire and shockwave (on exposed armour).  That method took down Brutes fairly quickly,Banshees, a bit longer.  Charge>Shotgun was sometimes employed against these foes, depending on enemy numbers.  

[meyerkev]

LessPall wrote...

Funny you mention upgrading cryo ammo... I never fully evolved that one in the 2nd game.  I preferred incendiary over cryo for some reason.  Possibly had something to do with the sound of flaming Vorcha.

The secret was Inferno plus Squad Cryo.  Inferno would let you rush forwards for massive damage and panic, while your squadmates froze everyone else.  Of course, it meant dumping 10 points into a power that you would otherwise never, ever use, but it worked (And as mentioned earlier, since you couldn't max out Pull with those same 10 points, and Shockwave was terrible, a lot of people spent their last 10 points that way).  

[ashwind]

My Vanguard focus on weapon damage.

All my shotguns uses the shredder mod, for accurate shotguns, I use barrel, not accurate ones, I use smart choke. Add incendiary ammo to that and Brutes will die before they can get close enough to do anything.

Can take down all 3 Brutes in Sanctuary before the Banshee shows up and no charge is needed.

The scimitar is especially sweet, when the 1st Brute dies, the ones next to him is usually at 50% health thanks to the explosive burst. 8 pallets, each with a chance to explode for 100 damage, 8 shots = 64 pallets, average of 3200 splash damage XD

[Stardusk]

Kronner is the solution.

[Stardusk]

godlike13 wrote...

Just because u don't like something doesn't mean its overpowered. A good whatever can have the best score on Silver, just like a bad whatever can have the worst score on Silver. Thank u captain obvious. Just because a Vanguard has a higher score then u, don't make it overpowered.

Vanguard can teleport to an enemy, and away from enemies (If there's another enemy in the distant), and thus out of harm. Just like an Infiltrator can cloak to an enemy, and away from enemies, and thus out of harm. While throwing sticky grenades, which does INSANE area of effect damage. Is this broken, no. Thats the way its suppose to play.

Stop trying to claim the Vanguard is broken and needs a nerf just because u don't like it. U don't have to play the class if u don't want to, nor do u have to use Nova if u do play the class.

If they didn't want people doing charge -> Nova -> charge or charge -> Nova Nova -> charge, they wouldn't have put it in the game. 

Vanguard is broken in Vanilla Insanity. There is NO challenge so that is broken and quite frankly just because BW did something does not mean it is good. Weapon balance is in Vanilla a total mess. Cloak needs a CD penalty as well. There needs to be a balance between power and weapon usage because right now spamming powers is the 'best' thing to do. Not good.

[Shared]

Yeh Vanguard is powerfull, last time i played through i only used nova on the packs of guys. And i didnt use a gunn at all (insanity), and built for all out melee. "Charge, melee, charge, melee, charge, melee" With the build for melee u kill stuff really quick.

But dont get me started on the adept, bringin only biotics with you. Now thats riddiculous. Get low cooldown, and go all out biotic combo. You do more damage as that then as a vanguard....

Modifié par Shared, 02 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Maybe because i have done speed runs in me2 with insane vanguard
But it seems really good
broken? Well nova is unnecessary.

[andy6915]

I predicted this would happen even before the game came out.

http://social.biowar...index/9290983/1

Read that, and see how I called it early. It's only 3 pages, it won't take long.

[miltos33]

All classes are powerful in ME3, especially the biotic, it's just that vanguard looks more badass.

[D.I.Y_Death]

Vanguard would be broken if it wasn't for the mass bugs which limit the Vanguards functionality.

[lazuli]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

Vanguard would be broken if it wasn't for the mass bugs which limit the Vanguards functionality.

Please elaborate.  Are you experiencing Charge bugs?  I think in my 1.5 Vanguard playthroughs my Charge has bugged out about 3 or 4 times.  All in all, not bad considering how it unreliable it could be in ME2.

[DeathScepter]

ashwind wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Bull ****ing ****. Vanguards are not overpowered. you don't know how to play the other classes.

QFT

As for ppl asying infiltrator requiring the most "skill", infiltrators dont have to use a sniper riffle all the time you know... They can like use other weapons and they dont have to hide under a desk and take cheap shots all the time as well.

Cloak defines the Infiltrator class not the Sniper Riffle otherwise they would have name the class "Sniper"

And I played with Infiltrators players that are superb with that class on mulitplayer. With or WithOut  Cloak, Infiltrator is an dangerous class.

My philosophy is that Understanding your weapons is quite important and understanding the passives of the class to use weapons, melee and abilities is important.



 

[MarkVsColin]

multiplayer human vanguards are way overpowered spam Biotic Charge and Nova over and over and over and over you get the picture

[Torrible]

Never cared much for the Charge-Nova combo. I'm more of a Charge --> shoot --> charge vanguard.

I love the Vanguard simply for the ability to recharge shields. Geth Shotgun + a ton of weapon damage upgrades (Hahne-Kedar, Assault mastery, Teammate squad bonus, Shotgun damage mod, warp ammo) = Killing a brute with around 6 shotgun clips on Insanity

Modifié par Torrible, 02 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[Unfair_Banana]

Vanguards were pretty sweet in ME2...Adding Nova, however, was a pretty crappy decision though. Especially when it comes to multiplayer. I can't stand people who charge in on whatever I'm shooting at, then Nova the thing. TWICE. Really gets on my nerves.