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[syllogi]

DoctorEss wrote...

syllogi wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Explain why my wife hates Carth, and hates Kaidan.  I'll be waiting.  

See the rest of my posts in this thread.  For the record, I don't care for Carth Onasi, but it has nothing to do with his voice.

She specifically hates the voice.  Whenever I'm (re)playing ME1, she's continually asking if I've gotten to the point where he gets killed off yet.  She can't stand listening to him speak.  Same as me.

But I'm sure you think I'm just "threatened" by a "handsome male", right?

I have no idea why you or your wife don't like his voice, since I do enjoy his voice, despite the fact that I originally identified it with Carth Onasi, whom I didn't like in KotOR.  It didn't make me want to kill him off, however, and once I got to know the character, I got over it.

Again (and I'm probably going to stop posting in this thread, since I'm just repeating myself endlessly to people who are only reading my first post), everyone's tastes are different.  But the OP states that Kaidan's voice is objectively terrible, and based on the fact that many people do like him (not you or your wife, granted), it's simply not true.  Based on my experience on this forum and others, I have found that many people hate male human "leading male" characters who aren't edgy and have a hook, like tattoos and big muscles and big scars.  To each their own, but I can point to the many fans of Kaidan and Alistair and prove that not everyone feels the same way.

[DoctorEss]

yoshibb wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

syllogi wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Explain why my wife hates Carth, and hates Kaidan.  I'll be waiting.  

See the rest of my posts in this thread.  For the record, I don't care for Carth Onasi, but it has nothing to do with his voice.

She specifically hates the voice.  Whenever I'm (re)playing ME1, she's continually asking if I've gotten to the point where he gets killed off yet.  She can't stand listening to him speak.  Same as me.

But I'm sure you think I'm just "threatened" by a "handsome male", right?

That just means she doesn't like the voice, not that he's a bad actor. And how do you guys react in real life if you don't like someone's voice, do you want to kill them too? 

No, it means both.  His delivery is flat, he doesn't seem to put a lot of effort into it, and we both find his performance lacking.  All that BEFORE how his voice actually sounds.  Which just makes it so much worse.

Hurr durr at your second bit.  No, because when he dies in the game it means we're not forced to listen to him anymore.  In real life, you can walk away from people.  In ME, you can't, so you have to settle for telling him to go DIAF for the good of the team.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Personally I like his voice. It has a weird flow to it.

[AtreiyaN7]

ReallyRue wrote...

Considering Kaidan has always seemed like a more subdued and mellow character than some of the others, it makes sense that his voice fits the character. So I consider his voice to be well acted.

Pretty much that. He's calm and fairly quiet for the most part. The fact that he challenges Shepard over his/her Cerberus association is not whining, nor is it whining if he questions a situation. He's an officer too. Also, if you choose to dig around in conversations and decide to ask him about his personal life and/or his history, isn't that kind of on you for asking for his thoughts? 

[weltraumhamster89]

chris fenton wrote...

I liked Carth, so I like him.

This. And I seriously love the VA - I like how his voice always sounds as if it would break soon, he does a real good job with emotional scenes. And he can be manly as well

[Sal86]

On the subject of Kaiden being threatening to straight brosheps, I'd have to say that he isn't because only Liara of the female characters available to broshep could be interested in him, and she seems only to have eyes for Shep. Also:
Tali  Garrus
Kaidan alive =/= Ashley alive
Miranda doesn't know who he is
Jack doesn't know who he is

[kakomu]

yoshibb wrote...
And I'm curious, Kaidan mentioned his headaches once, now how many times did Wrex mention the genophage? How many times did he complain about turians and salarians? Did he not spend the whole first game moping about how his people were dying and yet at the time he was doing nothing but complaining about it. He actually pulls a gun on you at one point. But everyone loved Wrex in the first game because he wasn't human. Cause it's difficult to compare and measure yourself to a talking dinosaur.

People liked Wrex because he was bad ass. It's true that he complained, but he complained with anger and conviction. Kaidan lacked such conviction. His attitude was wishy-washy, which is why he came off as really whiny.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Also, if you choose to dig around in
conversations and decide to ask him about his personal life and/or his
history, isn't that kind of on you for asking for his thoughts? 

The game encourages you to talk with your squadmates. So, that's what I did. However, on my first play through, I stopped talking with him quite soon and never bothered to talk to him in any subsequent playthrough.

Modifié par kakomu, 27 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[slyborg]

jreezy wrote...

kakomu wrote...

jreezy wrote...

kakomu wrote...

I talked to him twice in ME 1, before I got sick of his whining.

What whining?

I think the gist of his whing is along the lines of: "I have a headache", "School Sucked", "Dumb Turians", etc.

Oh that's whining? I'd hate to know what you think actual whining sounds like.

This.

Whining about a headache: "Sheeeeepard! I don't want to go to Virmire. I have a head ache, I am just going to sleep in my bunk. Don't make me go down there."

Not whining about a headache: "My L2 implants sometimes give me migraines."

Whining about school: "Moooooooooooom! I don't want to go to school. My teachers are mean to me and the kidsitting in front of me farts, a looooooot!"

Not whining about school: "I accidently killed my teacher at BaaT because he pushed me too far."

I don't recall Kaidan ever saying anything about Turians being dumb.

[kakomu]

slyborg wrote...
I don't recall Kaidan ever saying anything about Turians being dumb.

Forgive the paraphrase, I didn't feel I need to spoonfeed. He complained about the Turian instructor at Jump Zero .

[DashRunner92]

yoshibb wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

Male shep, Garrus, Wrex, Joker, Mordin, Sten, Fenris, Alistar, Varric, Sebastian are all generally liked? All in all, it's completely subjective.

mShep is a player character. I know, shocking info. Garrus, Wrex, Mordin, Varric, Sten all ain't attractive human male leads. Joker ain't a lead, he's a comic relief for most of the trilogy. Alistair and Sebastian are the most liked out of all attractive male leads in BW games, but they STILL get quite a bit of crap from guys. So no, let's not pretend.

Again, completely subjective. Just because you don't think Garrus, Wrex, Mordin, Varric, Sten aren't attractive, doesn't mean other people don't. Especially Garrus, Wrex, and Sten. Go look up rule 34, it's fine, I can wait. Joker is defintely a lead character, seeing how he's essential to the plot, the only other character we've ever played as other than Shepard, and has more dialogue that the majority of characters, especially seeing how he is one of the few characters in all three games. Sandal from DA is an example of a character mainly for comic relief. Joker may be used to lighten the mood, but he's got plenty of problems of his own. Ya know, seeing how he pretty much has glass bones. That's pretty depressing, so comedy is a good defense. Mshep is the playable character, which means he's the one you're going to be looking at and listening to the most. Shocking, I know, right? 

Did you miss the word human? Members of different species do not apply.

And I'm curious, Kaidan mentioned his headaches once, now how many times did Wrex mention the genophage? How many times did he complain about turians and salarians? Did he not spend the whole first game moping about how his people were dying and yet at the time he was doing nothing but complaining about it. He actually pulls a gun on you at one point. But everyone loved Wrex in the first game because he wasn't human. Cause it's difficult to compare and measure yourself to a talking dinosaur.

And no, you can't use MaleShep. MaleShep is your character. He is an offshoot of yourself. He is whatever you want him to be. He has no specific character, only a voice and the goal of killing the reapers. 

And why can't aliens apply. Saying you don't like the way they look is not an excuse? You're suppose to still get emotionally invested. There are plenty of woman who swoon over Garrus. Are you implying someone can't feel "threatened" because their not human? In that context, we shouldn't feel threatened by any human character seeing how they are fictional. 

Did you put Wrex and moping in the same sentence? More like pissed off. Your points aren't exactly making any sense. No one is connecting Kaidan's whining to the single subject of headaches? Plus I think being infected by a virus that doesn't even sterilize, but makes women give birth to still-borns. Still-borns, as in, the actual baby is in your hands, but it's dead, is a pretty big deal. And by your logic, you can call Shepard a whiner because he/she has been trying to tell everyone about the Reapers for three games. Also you might want to replay ME1, because 9/10 times the genophage is mentioned in ME1 is because it was an investigative dialogue option. Wrex doesn't just accept defeat, he rallys his people and spits in the face of death. That's why people like him, he's a bad-ass. Nothing to do with measuring yourself up to him. 

This whole "threatening" discussion is silly. It's completely baseless. People love the characters of Nathan Drake, John Marston, Ezio Auditorie. And please, just try to say "Oh that's because you play as him." There are numerous hated playable characters/

[yoshibb]

DoctorEss wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

syllogi wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Explain why my wife hates Carth, and hates Kaidan.  I'll be waiting.  

See the rest of my posts in this thread.  For the record, I don't care for Carth Onasi, but it has nothing to do with his voice.

She specifically hates the voice.  Whenever I'm (re)playing ME1, she's continually asking if I've gotten to the point where he gets killed off yet.  She can't stand listening to him speak.  Same as me.

But I'm sure you think I'm just "threatened" by a "handsome male", right?

That just means she doesn't like the voice, not that he's a bad actor. And how do you guys react in real life if you don't like someone's voice, do you want to kill them too? 

No, it means both.  His delivery is flat, he doesn't seem to put a lot of effort into it, and we both find his performance lacking.  All that BEFORE how his voice actually sounds.  Which just makes it so much worse.

Hurr durr at your second bit.  No, because when he dies in the game it means we're not forced to listen to him anymore.  In real life, you can walk away from people.  In ME, you can't, so you have to settle for telling him to go DIAF for the good of the team.

Obviously it's not flat if it appeals to a lot of people and Bioware considers him a great enough actor to ask him to voice two lead male LI in their games. It just doesn't appeal to you.

And you can't always walk away. What about if they are coworkers or your boss? What if it's a person your friend likes to hang out with? What if it's a relative? I'm sure you'd end up hearing them eventually like the ten minutes of dialogue Kaidan has to have in the game if you simply ignore him. I just don't think I'd hate a person solely for the way their voice to the point where I'm happy to see them DIAF. 

[shep214]

im replaying mass effect from the 1st game and i made a fem shep and am gonan choose kaiden since ive always picked ash, and so far he really does seem like a boring character compared to ash. and hes always the first to go down in battle.

[Zanallen]

Kaiden Onasi Sbarge just angers me whenever I hear his voice. Carth ruined Raphael Sbarge for me. Forever.

[Star fury]

Kaidan Alenko = Carth Onasi. Sbarge is a joykiller. I thought why I'm so frustrated with Kaidan when I saw who voiced him. Only Allers is worse, but she wasn't voiced by professional actress.

[xefiroEA]

I didn't have a very strong opinion of Kaidan in ME1. He was just sort of there, and I just didn't bring him along for missions. I had an infiltrator, used Tali for infinite shields and tech and Liara for infinite barrier and biotics. He had no personal mission either, unlike the aliens, so other than visiting and learning about his childhood we didn't share much. He was fine.

On ME2, I was elated to meet him again. I was all "Hey cool, I'm getting the gang back together! It'll be like I never died!" and then he rags on me for dying. Not cool. I'm sorry my death inconvenienced you, Kaidan.

On ME3 I got pissed at him. I'm trying to save the galaxy, and he is still going on about Cerberus, even after I screwed TIM's plans, blew up the Collector Base, and spend all of my time in Mars shooting Cerberus people up and recovering the only bit of information that gives us a shot at all. And when Cerberus attacks the Citadel, with goons all over the place shooting the place up, he still won't trust me! The freaking Asari Councilor has to step up and realize that not trusting Shepard after all this time is stupid.

He put Udina ahead of me. That's insulting on a very deep level.

So I was always too mad at Kaidan to care if his voice was decent or not. He grated on my nerves not because of how he spoke, but what he said.

Modifié par xefiroEA, 27 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Nykara]

Xzira wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

At least he isn't Ashley.

This. Seriously. 

I'm a Kaidan fan, but only after ME2 and a replay of ME. I love the VA! I think I especially love it after he recorded himself reading the email you get after Horizon. It was fantastic. Just fantastic. I think he does a great job, and I didn't find him as lifeless, or Kaidan as lifeless either. But! I guess it's all in your perspective. 

All of this!

I totally love Kaidan's character and the voice acting that goes with it!

He is supposed to be the well-rounded character that has had a tuff life but worked through his issues. He isn't supposed to be as Dramatic as the Korgan or the Turians. He is a well balanced dedicated alliance soldier and perfectly suited to my Shepard. I can see them going off working tandum on Spectre missions together and kicking some ass!

[Vaktathi]

ImmovableMover wrote...

Kaiden is a tortured introvert (Literally and figuratively) and his voice adequately demonstrates this. I am never surprised to hear that people found him boring, but then again I'm never surprised that "America's next top model" is consistently renewed for another season. For the same reason, I might add.

Ashley was an extrovert and frankly I found her ****ing annoying as all her opinions, which were loud and simple, were stupid. Xenophobia, Nationalism, Self-righteous (and more)...I couldn't sentence her to death quick enough.

She died the way she lived - In the loudest most dramatic way possible.

But yeah, Kaiden was a bit monotone, his voice was more "Real" (People simply aren't melodramatic, and neither is he), so it was all the more poignant when some unhinged emotion or pain slipped through the cracks in his self-imposed prison.

Pretty much my opinion. Never liked Ash, came off as a nationalistic drone who never really thought for herself and simply *reacted*.

That said, her voice actor did a decent job, can't complain about the skill of the VA, only the writing/nature of the character.

Kaiden came off as a bit too touchy-feely/mopey, but I can deal with that more than Ash's personality.

[Nykara]

xefiroEA wrote...

I didn't have a very strong opinion of Kaidan in ME1. He was just sort of there, and I just didn't bring him along for missions. I had an infiltrator, used Tali for infinite shields and tech and Liara for infinite barrier and biotics. He had no personal mission either, unlike the aliens, so other than visiting and learning about his childhood we didn't share much. He was fine.

On ME2, I was elated to meet him again. I was all "Hey cool, I'm getting the gang back together! It'll be like I never died!" and then he rags on me for dying. Not cool. I'm sorry my death inconvenienced you, Kaidan.

On ME3 I got pissed at him. I'm trying to save the galaxy, and he is still going on about Cerberus, even after I screwed TIM's plans, blew up the Collector Base, and spend all of my time in Mars shooting Cerberus people up and recovering the only bit of information that gives us a shot at all. And when Cerberus attacks the Citadel, with goons all over the place shooting the place up, he still won't trust me! The freaking Asari Councilor has to step up and realize that not trusting Shepard after all this time is stupid.

So I was always too mad at Kaidan to care if his voice was decent or not. He grated on my nerves not because of how he spoke, but what he said.

Wow, it happened a bit differently in my game. Unless you mean the Asari counselor who just stepped over to the console. Otherwise Kaidan lowed his weapon and simply said I hope I don't regret this.

I always thought that the distrust was very well placed. Shepard *was* dead then all of a sudden walking around again. No telling what kind of chips cerberus put in there ready to flick a switch at any time - and it wouldnt be the first time cerberus killed their own people that could have been a deception. The whole thing in my opinion was well played and well voice acted. If everyone just trusted Shep without question I would have been a little dissapointed. I gained a LOT more faith in Kaidan's character after he held a gun to my Shepard ready to shoot her if Cerberus had flicked a switch in her head to get her to kill the council, yep, that takes guts.

Modifié par Nykara, 27 mars 2012 - 09:03 .

[Jonas TM]

I really can't comment. I have taken Ashley in all but one of my 5 playthroughs. And the one was my ME2 no import playthrough so I didn't have a choice. I actually went back with Gibbed after the opening scene in ME3 and changed it to Ashley because it reminded me how much Kaiden annoyed me in ME1.  I'm not a fan of Ashley, but I will take her over Kaiden without question.

Modifié par Jonas TM, 27 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Siansonea]

So, troll thread, huh?

[kakomu]

slyborg wrote...
Whining about a headache: "Sheeeeepard! I don't want to go to Virmire. I have a head ache, I am just going to sleep in my bunk. Don't make me go down there."

Not whining about a headache: "My L2 implants sometimes give me migraines."

Whining about school: "Moooooooooooom! I don't want to go to school. My teachers are mean to me and the kidsitting in front of me farts, a looooooot!"

Not whining about school: "I accidently killed my teacher at BaaT because he pushed me too far."

Maybe it's just me, but whining isn't just relegated to 6 year old kids.

However, the problem with Kaidan in comparison to the rest of the cast, is that Kaidan lets slip very little information about himself save for his L2 implant and school. Every other character (especially Tali) is willing to flesh out their character through exposition.

Kaidan, on the other hand, seems to reserve his exposition for nothing more than complaining about school and complaining about L2 implants (and the stigma attached to it). He doesn't even talk about killing the Turian instructor the first time around, so you just hear about him complaining about crap in his past that seems to have no bearing on the present or future (beyond his headaches). This is completely different from Wrex who may complain about something in the past, but relates it to how the Krogan are acting now (and to a small extent, what he wants to do about it) or Ashley that describes how her Grandfather's actions affect her and her family to that day.

Maybe Kaidan reveals more about himself soon thereafter, but he wasn't immediately forthcoming and I wasn't going to suffer his whining any further to find out.

In real life, if confronted with someone who just complained about stuff way in the past (or their headaches), I would consider that whining.

Modifié par kakomu, 27 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[Sal86]

Nykara wrote...

xefiroEA wrote...

I didn't have a very strong opinion of Kaidan in ME1. He was just sort of there, and I just didn't bring him along for missions. I had an infiltrator, used Tali for infinite shields and tech and Liara for infinite barrier and biotics. He had no personal mission either, unlike the aliens, so other than visiting and learning about his childhood we didn't share much. He was fine.

On ME2, I was elated to meet him again. I was all "Hey cool, I'm getting the gang back together! It'll be like I never died!" and then he rags on me for dying. Not cool. I'm sorry my death inconvenienced you, Kaidan.

On ME3 I got pissed at him. I'm trying to save the galaxy, and he is still going on about Cerberus, even after I screwed TIM's plans, blew up the Collector Base, and spend all of my time in Mars shooting Cerberus people up and recovering the only bit of information that gives us a shot at all. And when Cerberus attacks the Citadel, with goons all over the place shooting the place up, he still won't trust me! The freaking Asari Councilor has to step up and realize that not trusting Shepard after all this time is stupid.

So I was always too mad at Kaidan to care if his voice was decent or not. He grated on my nerves not because of how he spoke, but what he said.

Wow, it happened a bit differently in my game. Unless you mean the Asari counselor who just stepped over to the console. Otherwise Kaidan lowed his weapon and simply said I hope I don't regret this.

I always thought that the distrust was very well placed. Shepard *was* dead then all of a sudden walking around again. No telling what kind of chips cerberus put in there ready to flick a switch at any time - and it wouldnt be the first time cerberus killed their own people that could have been a deception. The whole thing in my opinion was well played and well voice acted. If everyone just trusted Shep without question I would have been a little dissapointed. I gained a LOT more faith in Kaidan's character after he held a gun to my Shepard ready to shoot her if Cerberus had flicked a switch in her head to get her to kill the council, yep, that takes guts.

Yup, this.

I remember my reaction reading the faux-leak for the DLC in which Shep's body is posessed by the catalyst and thinking that sounded pretty horrible. Cerberus could have done something similar to her. Besides, he's thoroughly over it after the Udina scuffle.

[Aisynia]

Tietj wrote...

Really? I think Sbarge does a great job. Actually, Kaidan is my favorite character in the series mostly because of his voice.

Same. Haters gonna hate. They're just mad their voices aren't that sexy.

[DoctorEss]

yoshibb wrote...

Obviously it's not flat if it appeals to a lot of people and Bioware considers him a great enough actor to ask him to voice two lead male LI in their games. It just doesn't appeal to you.

And you can't always walk away. What about if they are coworkers or your boss? What if it's a person your friend likes to hang out with? What if it's a relative? I'm sure you'd end up hearing them eventually like the ten minutes of dialogue Kaidan has to have in the game if you simply ignore him. I just don't think I'd hate a person solely for the way their voice to the point where I'm happy to see them DIAF. 

Totally, because people who can't act have never been in a video game before, at all, let alone as an LI.  *cough* Chobot *cough*.


Again, your argument is flawed because IT IS A GAME.  He is not a real person, and I detest him, therefore it's totally fine for me to be pleased when he's gone from my ship, stinking up the place with his bad acting.

Also, example:  There are people who think Dennis Hopper was a good actor.  Hopper ranged from lightly nibbling the scenery to straight out chomping it like a madman.  He wasn't a good actor.  Did I like his acting?  Yes.  Doesn't mean he was good at it.