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[Fl1xx]

He VA'd Carth O'Nasi.

He's an amazing actor.

[ref]

People are entitlted to thier opinion, I personally like Kaidan and Raphael's voice work, but I totally understand that some won't.

For instance, I'm sure people will call me crazy for not being in love with either Tali or Garrus's character.

Modifié par Refara, 27 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[yoshibb]

DashRunner92 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

Male shep, Garrus, Wrex, Joker, Mordin, Sten, Fenris, Alistar, Varric, Sebastian are all generally liked? All in all, it's completely subjective.

mShep is a player character. I know, shocking info. Garrus, Wrex, Mordin, Varric, Sten all ain't attractive human male leads. Joker ain't a lead, he's a comic relief for most of the trilogy. Alistair and Sebastian are the most liked out of all attractive male leads in BW games, but they STILL get quite a bit of crap from guys. So no, let's not pretend.

Again, completely subjective. Just because you don't think Garrus, Wrex, Mordin, Varric, Sten aren't attractive, doesn't mean other people don't. Especially Garrus, Wrex, and Sten. Go look up rule 34, it's fine, I can wait. Joker is defintely a lead character, seeing how he's essential to the plot, the only other character we've ever played as other than Shepard, and has more dialogue that the majority of characters, especially seeing how he is one of the few characters in all three games. Sandal from DA is an example of a character mainly for comic relief. Joker may be used to lighten the mood, but he's got plenty of problems of his own. Ya know, seeing how he pretty much has glass bones. That's pretty depressing, so comedy is a good defense. Mshep is the playable character, which means he's the one you're going to be looking at and listening to the most. Shocking, I know, right? 

Did you miss the word human? Members of different species do not apply.

And I'm curious, Kaidan mentioned his headaches once, now how many times did Wrex mention the genophage? How many times did he complain about turians and salarians? Did he not spend the whole first game moping about how his people were dying and yet at the time he was doing nothing but complaining about it. He actually pulls a gun on you at one point. But everyone loved Wrex in the first game because he wasn't human. Cause it's difficult to compare and measure yourself to a talking dinosaur.

And no, you can't use MaleShep. MaleShep is your character. He is an offshoot of yourself. He is whatever you want him to be. He has no specific character, only a voice and the goal of killing the reapers. 

And why can't aliens apply. Saying you don't like the way they look is not an excuse? You're suppose to still get emotionally invested. There are plenty of woman who swoon over Garrus. Are you implying someone can't feel "threatened" because their not human? In that context, we shouldn't feel threatened by any human character seeing how they are fictional. 

Did you put Wrex and moping in the same sentence? More like pissed off. Your points aren't exactly making any sense. No one is connecting Kaidan's whining to the single subject of headaches? Plus I think being infected by a virus that doesn't even sterilize, but makes women give birth to still-borns. Still-borns, as in, the actual baby is in your hands, but it's dead, is a pretty big deal. And by your logic, you can call Shepard a whiner because he/she has been trying to tell everyone about the Reapers for three games. Also you might want to replay ME1, because 9/10 times the genophage is mentioned in ME1 is because it was an investigative dialogue option. Wrex doesn't just accept defeat, he rallys his people and spits in the face of death. That's why people like him, he's a bad-ass. Nothing to do with measuring yourself up to him. 

This whole "threatening" discussion is silly. It's completely baseless. People love the characters of Nathan Drake, John Marston, Ezio Auditorie. And please, just try to say "Oh that's because you play as him." There are numerous hated playable characters/

Because you can never be an alien, aliens have problems that do not apply to humans. It's like being jealous of a talking dog. You can never be a member of a different species and therefore you don't feel the need to measure up to that alien. If someone is attracted to Garrus it doesn't reflect on you not being as attractive. It just means they are attracted to something that you could never be. 

And what did Wrex do besides complain about it? He'd given up. He'd become a mercenary for hire and until Shepard came around, he had no plans to ever return to Tuchanka. The fact that he's angrily complaining about it makes it ok? 

And I'm just trying to make a point that you can pretty much call anyone a whiner in these games yet the people who get the most grief for it are the humans. Kaidan was taken from his family, had these weird powers that he couldn't control or understand, was brutalized by a turian teacher, and yet he became a perfectly capable soldier. The reason he is even sharing this stuff with you is because he's trying to use his experiences to give you advice and to also show you that not all Turians/aliens are bad and they all have differing personalities. 

I'm not trying to be offensive to anyone so I think I'm done after this reply. I just get tired of people insulting my favorite character for reasons I don't understand and insinuating that I'm somehow weird for not being happy about leaving him next to a nuclear device to die. 

[kakomu]

yoshibb wrote...
Obviously it's not flat if it appeals to a lot of people and Bioware considers him a great enough actor to ask him to voice two lead male LI in their games. It just doesn't appeal to you.

This would be an example of Argumentum ad populum: 
http://en.wikipedia....ntum_ad_populum

Akin to "50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't be Wrong"

[Lethania]

Refara wrote...

People are entitlted to thier opinion, I personally like Kaidan and Raphael's voice work, but I totally understand that some won't.

For instance, I'm sure people will call me crazy for not being in love with either Tali or Garrus's character.

Blasphemy! 

[Nykara]

Lethania wrote...

Refara wrote...

People are entitlted to thier opinion, I personally like Kaidan and Raphael's voice work, but I totally understand that some won't.

For instance, I'm sure people will call me crazy for not being in love with either Tali or Garrus's character.

Blasphemy! 

Indeed! How can anyone not love Garrus?!

[Czw]

Rafael Sbarge said that Kaiden is supposed to have a "wounded warrior" sound

[Fl1xx]

Refara wrote...
For instance, I'm sure people will call me crazy for not being in love with either Tali or Garrus's character.

I can understand Tali, but what's wrong with Gare Bear?! He's easily had the largest personality development over time; if you just mean content, I'm cool with that.

[kakomu]

yoshibb wrote...
I just get tired of people insulting my favorite character for reasons I don't understand and insinuating that I'm somehow weird for not being happy about leaving him next to a nuclear device to die.

Well, this would explain why you so steadfastly try to apply weird logic and rules as to why people dislike your favorite character. It doesn't explain why youre have to continuously insinuate that other people are somehow weird because they didn't come to the same conclusion as you did about a fictional character.

[Sal86]

It's Garrus! What's not to love!?

[Kristofer1]

Let me just say this. Carth Onasi.
As soon as I heard Kaidens voice the first time I played ME1 I hated him. I couldnt stand Carth. The second I had a chance to not take Kaiden with me I never looked back nor spoke to him. In all my plays he has never survived Virmire. Carth Onasi is the reason.

[Arokel]

Lethania wrote...

Refara wrote...

People are entitlted to thier opinion, I personally like Kaidan and Raphael's voice work, but I totally understand that some won't.

For instance, I'm sure people will call me crazy for not being in love with either Tali or Garrus's character.

Blasphemy! 

Indeed!

You will adore space batman and you will like it!

[Mims]

I don't care much for the character, but he gets major points in my book for having such a cool VA. Sbarge is the man.

[Lesbian Wood Elf]

I loved Kaiden's voice work. I wish Shepard had that voice and Kaiden had Shepard's.

[BatmanPWNS]

Kaiden is a funny dude. Kaidan though is badass.

Plus Kaidan had way more dialogues than Ash in the Normandy.

[txmn1016]

Mims wrote...

I don't care much for the character, but he gets major points in my book for having such a cool VA. Sbarge is the man.

This.  I don't think there's a nicer VA out there.  What a classy guy! 

[Grimez7]

Drake_1000 wrote...

The way Shepard come to Kaidan and they look at each other always made me laugh in ME1.
That was so damn gay and Kaidan always complaining about each part of his life.
Glad i have to let him on Virmire but if i could i will let Ashley too.

wut.... *points to sig and avatar*

[Can0fCorn]

He's more annoying than Carth.

[Ticondurus]

IsaacShep wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

Again, completely subjective. Just because you don't think Garrus, Wrex, Mordin, Varric, Sten aren't attractive, doesn't mean other people don't. Especially Garrus, Wrex, and Sten. Go look up rule 34, it's fine, I can wait.

And guys know that Garrus/Wrex/Rule 34 is a minority. Very few wonder "geee Miranda better not leave my Shep for Wrex!"

DashRunner92 wrote...
Mshep is the playable character, which means he's the one you're going to be looking at and listening to the most. Shocking, I know, right?

He's an in-game representation of the player, so of course the player won't be threathened by himself. Shocking, I know.

Logan Cloud wrote...

Garrus is more popular than Kaidan by a long shot. He actually has a personality. He has a great voice actor.

Moral of story: Be threatened by Garrus.

What personality? He's a mental slave of Shep. His character arc and growth started and ended in ME1 and his only role in ME3 was to be badass, recycling calibrations meme and how bro he is for Shep. His VA is great, character, not very interesting.

This is true.

[xefiroEA]

Sal86 wrote...

Nykara wrote...

xefiroEA wrote...

I didn't have a very strong opinion of Kaidan in ME1. He was just sort of there, and I just didn't bring him along for missions. I had an infiltrator, used Tali for infinite shields and tech and Liara for infinite barrier and biotics. He had no personal mission either, unlike the aliens, so other than visiting and learning about his childhood we didn't share much. He was fine.

On ME2, I was elated to meet him again. I was all "Hey cool, I'm getting the gang back together! It'll be like I never died!" and then he rags on me for dying. Not cool. I'm sorry my death inconvenienced you, Kaidan.

On ME3 I got pissed at him. I'm trying to save the galaxy, and he is still going on about Cerberus, even after I screwed TIM's plans, blew up the Collector Base, and spend all of my time in Mars shooting Cerberus people up and recovering the only bit of information that gives us a shot at all. And when Cerberus attacks the Citadel, with goons all over the place shooting the place up, he still won't trust me! The freaking Asari Councilor has to step up and realize that not trusting Shepard after all this time is stupid.

So I was always too mad at Kaidan to care if his voice was decent or not. He grated on my nerves not because of how he spoke, but what he said.

Wow, it happened a bit differently in my game. Unless you mean the Asari counselor who just stepped over to the console. Otherwise Kaidan lowed his weapon and simply said I hope I don't regret this.

I always thought that the distrust was very well placed. Shepard *was* dead then all of a sudden walking around again. No telling what kind of chips cerberus put in there ready to flick a switch at any time - and it wouldnt be the first time cerberus killed their own people that could have been a deception. The whole thing in my opinion was well played and well voice acted. If everyone just trusted Shep without question I would have been a little dissapointed. I gained a LOT more faith in Kaidan's character after he held a gun to my Shepard ready to shoot her if Cerberus had flicked a switch in her head to get her to kill the council, yep, that takes guts.

Yup, this.

I remember my reaction reading the faux-leak for the DLC in which Shep's body is posessed by the catalyst and thinking that sounded pretty horrible. Cerberus could have done something similar to her. Besides, he's thoroughly over it after the Udina scuffle.

I can understand Kaidan being hesitant in ME2. Although the whole Alliance looks dumb when they can't tell that their leaks about Shepard working with Cerberus were leaked by Cerberus agents within their intel structure. But then when we meet in Horizon he doesn't try to work things out or even have a chat. He makes ridiculous accusations -- "How can I know you're not working with the collectors?!" "I just stopped them, are you blind?" -- and runs away in a huff.

Yes, after the bit with Udina he trusts me. Thing is, I thought he had agreed to trust me when we had that talk in the hospital and actually worked out some of this stuff. I brought booze and everything. Having him go back to doubting me the next time we meet became tiresome. Did he really trust you after Udina, or did he simply not have another chance to show he didn't?

[Lyrandori]

He understands the character, in my opinion, the voice actor simply applies the proper type / tone of voice and emotional inputs required for the character to express his feelings properly. I myself have done some humble voice-acting for a few projects back in college, amateur stuff but I do get a sense of what the voice actor tried to do, and I believe managed to do.

I give a solid score on his performance to be honest, he was good.

[movieguyabw]

I found him to be very boring in the first game. But I think he's so damn cool in this game.

Raphael's always been a great voice actor, I feel.. it's just the writing for his characters in the Bioware games have always made him the stereotypical male LI, with little personality. I feel that his character in ME3 has moved on to the "old buddy" and he's become a lot more interesting now.

[Papa John0]

I think he's a good VA, I just couldn't handle any more Carth Onasi. So, I left ole Carth on Virmire...

[Zenny Merc]

jreezy wrote...

dgumb wrote...

Zenny Merc wrote...

His voice actor does the voice for the male character in Saints Row 3, had more fun with that  then the Kaiden character. Though I did find each character from the first be it Ashely or Kaiden are "I'm sleeping with one eye open" and not very fun to have in the crew.

I'm pretty sure that Sbarge isn't in Saint's Row The Third. I don't remember hearing him, and he isn't credited with it on his imdb page.

Yeah that's Troy Baker. He's a pretty good VA.

I read the names for the VA's wrong. Kaiden's is Raphael Sbarge mixed the two of them up. Sorry about that.