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[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sorry but each retail store sets their own price based on their individual issues.

What about competition and publisher discounts?

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sorry but each retail store sets their own price based on their individual issues.

What about competition and publisher discounts?

Read the rest you cut out.

Sorry but each retail store sets their own price based on their individual issues. Best buy are having financial problems right now so they are pushing sales and stock at lower prices to make quick cash inflow, much like GAME are doing as they are also in trouble financially. Their issues is why they are selling it so low, EA still is charging or more accurately charged them the same amount regardless for the bulk order they placed to begin with. The retailers are taking a hit to their profit margin with regard to Best Buy, not EA. If you think Best Buy won't preorder more stock if they resolve their financial issues you would be mistaken, EA will sell it to them at the same rate as before the only negative impact is how long takes before they order more but that won't be that long.

Thats just basic retail tactics. Amazon or Play lowering the profit they make on sale in order to outprice the competition. EA get the same amount of money from Amazon for each time they order, they were always sold in bulk and dependant on how many would of been huge discounts in first place. If Amazon ordered 50,000 copies then discount for that order would of been quite big, if ordered 1 copy they would have got no discount. Since they ordered I would assume thousands of copies they got it at a lower price so could lower their reselling to compete and still make a profit. If they order again which they will, EA will not make any less money and will make the same amount based on how many they order and how much discount that gives the retailer. If the retailer orders less then the price will be higher they pay and reflected in the price you pay on their site in order to still gain profit.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Three weeks on and it is still outselling all previous titles (ME1, ME2, DA:O and DA2) on top of initial sales that shot right past all the previous titles too.

What is your source of the last week?

We don't know the profit margin on each game nor do we know the quantity needed to breakeven.

[zzcoreyzz]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

World of Warcraft is still £39.99 this means it must be a good game, who knew!!!

Also I saw Fallout: New Vegas plus expansions for 25 dollars which just came out, that must mean the game is horrendous!

It is.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Three weeks on and it is still outselling all previous titles (ME1, ME2, DA:O and DA2) on top of initial sales that shot right past all the previous titles too.

What is your source of the last week?

We don't know the profit margin on each game nor do we know the quantity needed to breakeven.

Last weeks sales I am relying on VGC, the same thing people relied on to push their agenda with DA2 and the charts they made to attack it. Only in this case it is showing in favour of the title instead of bashing it.

While it is not 100% proof it is one of the only indicators a fan or gamer has, instead of a developer or publisher which has more accurate data.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The retailers are taking a hit to their profit margin with regard to Best Buy, not EA.

At some point EA will sell ME3 to retailers at a lower price. Why not now? How do you know there isn't a rebate offer on existing inventory?

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The retailers are taking a hit to their profit margin with regard to Best Buy, not EA.

At some point EA will sell ME3 to retailers at a lower price. Why not now? How do you know there isn't a rebate offer on existing inventory?

What makes you think there is? There is no evidence to suggest that it is the case they are running a rebate or credit for stock unsold.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Three weeks on and it is still outselling all previous titles (ME1, ME2, DA:O and DA2) on top of initial sales that shot right past all the previous titles too.

What is your source of the last week?

We don't know the profit margin on each game nor do we know the quantity needed to breakeven.

Last weeks sales I am relying on VGC, the same thing people relied on to push their agenda with DA2 and the charts they made to attack it. Only in this case it is showing in favour of the title instead of bashing it.

While it is not 100% proof it is one of the only indicators a fan or gamer has, instead of a developer or publisher which has more accurate data.

The latest sales data (which is only approximated by VGC) is almost 2 weeks ago. How do you know anything about the last two weeks?

[Farbautisonn]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Gloating over demise or undermalichous intenet, sounds pretty doomy to me. Also calling out saying that the game is collapsing over price cut does tell me that also.

It is like in MMOs when people start saying it is the end when subs are slightly lower, cause they were never pleased.

Also if a "game" metaphysicallypissed down your back then a logic thing is to move on and spend your money elsewhere. When I spent my money on the game I accepted at some point that they will not live up to my standards and hype around the game.

-I dont think Ive ever stated that the game was "collapsing" as it were. Feel free to quote me though.

Oh but I did. Move on that is. Im just here to see inane pr , chat with co-conspiritors and watch the show unfold.  I dont get the last bit though... if you didnt think it would live up to your expectations or the hype... why buy it? 

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Three weeks on and it is still outselling all previous titles (ME1, ME2, DA:O and DA2) on top of initial sales that shot right past all the previous titles too.

What is your source of the last week?

We don't know the profit margin on each game nor do we know the quantity needed to breakeven.

Last weeks sales I am relying on VGC, the same thing people relied on to push their agenda with DA2 and the charts they made to attack it. Only in this case it is showing in favour of the title instead of bashing it.

While it is not 100% proof it is one of the only indicators a fan or gamer has, instead of a developer or publisher which has more accurate data.

The latest sales data (which is only approximated by VGC) is almost 2 weeks ago. How do you know anything about the last two weeks?

Nonsense. It shows all previous three weeks. You did not even look, I ran through each and added up sales for all platforms of the game for each week to come up with those estimated numbers I linked earlier. The original source of the 2.4million sales came from multiple sites and multiple sources including MVC which is very respectable, the second and third week sales came from VGC which is only an estimated but best estimate a fan has compared to the publishers who have more accurate data. Based on that data we fans have even though just estimates my statement is true in that it has so far to ate out sold all previous titles.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The retailers are taking a hit to their profit margin with regard to Best Buy, not EA.

At some point EA will sell ME3 to retailers at a lower price. Why not now? How do you know there isn't a rebate offer on existing inventory?

What makes you think there is? There is no evidence to suggest that it is the case they are running a rebate or credit for stock unsold.

You keep talking like you know what you're talking about. But you don't. There are all sorts of variables that are unknown.

What we are doing is pointing actual evidence. Stores are selling ME3 at deep discounts three weeks after release.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Gloating over demise or undermalichous intenet, sounds pretty doomy to me. Also calling out saying that the game is collapsing over price cut does tell me that also.

It is like in MMOs when people start saying it is the end when subs are slightly lower, cause they were never pleased.

Also if a "game" metaphysicallypissed down your back then a logic thing is to move on and spend your money elsewhere. When I spent my money on the game I accepted at some point that they will not live up to my standards and hype around the game.

-I dont think Ive ever stated that the game was "collapsing" as it were. Feel free to quote me though.

Oh but I did. Move on that is. Im just here to see inane pr , chat with co-conspiritors and watch the show unfold.  I dont get the last bit though... if you didnt think it would live up to your expectations or the hype... why buy it? 

Ah I am sorry, I was not saying your gloating over the "collapse". It is some of the people I have seen creeping up in the threads. Sorry about that.

I am very cynical when it comes to certain things. When I oringally thought of ME3 and saw the hype...I got extremly fanboi, where I thought this will be the greatest thing ever made and nothing will top that (like we are seeing from DKR stuff sometimes). Also the PR machine of EA was going mad, pushing this. This kicked in my memory with other games I played where the hype was so crazy it made it larger than life. So I sat down and thought it through, what I should realistcally expect from a end of a trilogy (usually never good), and the short development cycle. 

Now with Bioware I expected to be well written, well designed. Which I got it was well written and well designed. Of course the ending is rough, I am not denying that...but I got my money worth on it.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The retailers are taking a hit to their profit margin with regard to Best Buy, not EA.

At some point EA will sell ME3 to retailers at a lower price. Why not now? How do you know there isn't a rebate offer on existing inventory?

What makes you think there is? There is no evidence to suggest that it is the case they are running a rebate or credit for stock unsold.

You keep talking like you know what you're talking about. But you don't. There are all sorts of variables that are unknown.

What we are doing is pointing actual evidence. Stores are selling ME3 at deep discounts three weeks after release.

You can't use your source as evidence EA are in any form of trouble or Bioware. Using your same argument you do not know the variables to how much EA makes on each title or whether the store is merely lowering it's profit margin to compete with others. What I said is as valid as what your implying.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Sorry but each retail store sets their own price based on their individual issues. Best buy are having financial problems right now so they are pushing sales and stock at lower prices to make quick cash inflow, much like GAME are doing as they are also in trouble financially. Their issues is why they are selling it so low, EA still is charging or more accurately charged them the same amount regardless for the bulk order they placed to begin with.

I guess Amazon are having problems too ? 
http://www.amazon.co..._rhf_gw_p_img_3

Not only buyers fall for the hype. Suppliers do as well. Then get stuck with a lot of units they can't shift.

Thats just basic retail tactics. Amazon or Play lowering the profit they make on sale in order to outprice the competition. EA get the same amount of money from Amazon for each time they order, they were always sold in bulk and dependant on how many would of been huge discounts in first place. If Amazon ordered 5,000 copies then discount for that order would of been quite big, if ordered 1 copy they would have got no discount. Since they ordered I would assume thousands of copies they got it at a lower price so could lower their reselling to compete and still make a profit. If they order again which they will, EA will not make any less money and will make the same amount based on how many they order and how much discount that gives the retailer. If the retailer orders less then the price will be higher they pay and reflected in the price you pay on their site in order to still gain profit.

Your missing the bigger picture, which is twofold.

1. If Amazon are selling off at firesale prices they won't be re-ordering. Like DA2 ME3 will likely end up with sales a couple of 100,000 below the initial shipment.

2. If both DA2 and ME3 did not sell, then they are likely to order less in the future to avoid the same scenerio.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Sorry but each retail store sets their own price based on their individual issues. Best buy are having financial problems right now so they are pushing sales and stock at lower prices to make quick cash inflow, much like GAME are doing as they are also in trouble financially. Their issues is why they are selling it so low, EA still is charging or more accurately charged them the same amount regardless for the bulk order they placed to begin with.

I guess Amazon are having problems too ? 
http://www.amazon.co..._rhf_gw_p_img_3

Not only buyers fall for the hype. Suppliers do as well. Then get stuck with a lot of units they can't shift.

Thats just basic retail tactics. Amazon or Play lowering the profit they make on sale in order to outprice the competition. EA get the same amount of money from Amazon for each time they order, they were always sold in bulk and dependant on how many would of been huge discounts in first place. If Amazon ordered 50,000 copies then discount for that order would of been quite big, if ordered 1 copy they would have got no discount. Since they ordered I would assume thousands of copies they got it at a lower price so could lower their reselling to compete and still make a profit. If they order again which they will, EA will not make any less money and will make the same amount based on how many they order and how much discount that gives the retailer. If the retailer orders less then the price will be higher they pay and reflected in the price you pay on their site in order to still gain profit.

Your missing the bigger picture, which is twofold.

1. If Amazon are selling off at firesale prices they won't be re-ordering. Like DA2 ME3 will likely end up with sales a couple of 100,000 below the initial shipment.

2. If both DA2 and ME3 did not sell, then they are likely to order less in the future to avoid the same scenerio.

If you think Amazon will not continue to order stock of ME3 you are mistaken. All data we have points to the fact ME3 is selling better than all previous titles. You have no basis to say otherwise, and prophecy does not count as legitmate data based on what you think might happen in the future.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[AkiKishi]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Now with Bioware I expected to be well written, well designed. Which I got it was well written and well designed. Of course the ending is rough, I am not denying that...but I got my money worth on it.

Well there may be a bit of "I told you so" in there. But it's mostly about concern for not repeating the same mistakes I think.

[NM_Che56]

They better fix the ending soon or else it will be in a blue bin marked $9.99.

If Bioware doesn't hurry soon....*pause for dramatic effect* there won't be many copies left to save.

[PsyrenY]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Its dropped 6 dollars on Amazon...OMG OMG RUN THE MARTIANS ARE COMING TIN FOIL HATS ACTIVATE!

If I had a sig, you would be in it.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you think Amazon will not continue to order stock of ME3 you are mistaken. All data we have points to the fact ME3 is selling better than all previous titles. You have no basis to say otherwise, and prophecy does not count as legitmate data based on what you think might happen in the future.

Unless EA negoiate a lower base price so that Amazon can still make a healthy profit they really have no incentive to do so. As long as something sells Amazon make money. What costs Amazon money is having things taking up space and gathering dust.

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

They better fix the ending soon or else it will be in a blue bin marked $9.99.

If Bioware doesn't hurry soon....*pause for dramatic effect* there won't be many copies left to save.

Or in the $5 box

Neither of your prophecys are based on anything more than fantay at this stage. Drama queens pushing for what they assume will happen when reality shows it is not happening (currently).

[NM_Che56]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

They better fix the ending soon or else it will be in a blue bin marked $9.99.

If Bioware doesn't hurry soon....*pause for dramatic effect* there won't be many copies left to save.

Or in the $5 box

Neither of your prophecys are based on anything more than fantay at this stage. Drama queens pushing for what they assume will happen when reality shows it is not happening (currently).

Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.
Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.
Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.
Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable, Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.

[Farbautisonn]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Ah I am sorry, I was not saying your gloating over the "collapse". It is some of the people I have seen creeping up in the threads. Sorry about that.

-I am not "some" people and I cant be held accountable for what someone else says or does... So. Anyway, NP

I am very cynical when it comes to certain things. When I oringally thought of ME3 and saw the hype...I got extremly fanboi, where I thought this will be the greatest thing ever made and nothing will top that (like we are seeing from DKR stuff sometimes). Also the PR machine of EA was going mad, pushing this. This kicked in my memory with other games I played where the hype was so crazy it made it larger than life. So I sat down and thought it through, what I should realistcally expect from a end of a trilogy (usually never good), and the short development cycle. 

Now with Bioware I expected to be well written, well designed. Which I got it was well written and well designed. Of course the ending is rough, I am not denying that...but I got my money worth on it.

-Now... Im a cynic too. But I have come to expect a certain standard from Bioware. And generally I like to hold people to their words or make them eat them if they cant. Especially the latter part brings me great joy as I hate blatent ignorant hypocrites and pharisees. And since I have a background in PR/Spin I am not the easiest person in the world to blow smoke up the rectum. I didnt expect the game to live up to the advertizing... but I do expect a lead writer/dev to have some integrity. If he does not, Ill rub his face in it. Just for the fun of it.

The endings in themselves were a major... "feature". But even without the endings, the game is still not in any way shape or form up to the standard Im used to from Bioware. The writing was poor to the extent of breaking my submersion of disbelief on a regular basis, I got bugs that regularily reverted me to lvl1 (breaks immersion having to reload and find a quicksave button every 10 minutes), and I was more of a passenger than a driver in the dialogue, which also made me distance myself. So pretty much from the getgo I was not "Shepard" but "regarding shepard"... which pretty much made me that much more attentive to errors.

Im glad for you, that you thought yyou got your monies worth. For me... not really.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You can't use your source as evidence EA are in any form of trouble or Bioware. Using your same argument you do not know the variables to how much EA makes on each title or whether the store is merely lowering it's profit margin to compete with others. What I said is as valid as what your implying.

From what I can tell, they sold about 140K units in US and Europe during week three that ended on March 24th. Sales are dropping fast! I wonder what this latest week will provide.

How many units are needed to breakeven? 2 million? 4 million? 6 million?

What is the profit on each unit sold? Fixed? Variable? Trending down?