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[InvincibleHero]

Are people really rooting for ME3's failure or that of EA/BW out of spite over a disagreement of subjective opinion? You should hope it does well enough to allow for more ME games ot be done in the future if you ever hope to get some resolution. They are not going to throw good money after bad after all.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Farbautisonn wrote...
-Now... Im a cynic too. But I have come to expect a certain standard from Bioware. And generally I like to hold people to their words or make them eat them if they cant. Especially the latter part brings me great joy as I hate blatent ignorant hypocrites and pharisees. And since I have a background in PR/Spin I am not the easiest person in the world to blow smoke up the rectum. I didnt expect the game to live up to the advertizing... but I do expect a lead writer/dev to have some integrity. If he does not, Ill rub his face in it. Just for the fun of it.

The endings in themselves were a major... "feature". But even without the endings, the game is still not in any way shape or form up to the standard Im used to from Bioware. The writing was poor to the extent of breaking my submersion of disbelief on a regular basis, I got bugs that regularily reverted me to lvl1 (breaks immersion having to reload and find a quicksave button every 10 minutes), and I was more of a passenger than a driver in the dialogue, which also made me distance myself. So pretty much from the getgo I was not "Shepard" but "regarding shepard"... which pretty much made me that much more attentive to errors.

Im glad for you, that you thought yyou got your monies worth. For me... not really.

Damn I am sorry, it was not able to live up to your expectations (no form of snark intended). I did not see some of the bugs you had about resetting to lvl one so I guess I cannot say nothing about that. For story it is much better than what I have come from, which was playing a MMO, which their narrative is poor at the best of times. I guess I was able to get into character easier (I am not sure what you did before ME3), I know I played through the first two to make sure my mindset was in Shepard, while there were some seens to me that jarred me (no babies!), I was a bit much enveloped into the story so far to let myself get out. 

Also for the writing intregirty, I agree if it does not lead up to your standard critize them. I have trying be be crucial and critical about the ending without falling into the offensive or non-constructive. It did break the emersion for me, which did bother me for a bit, till I thought DLC is coming, and I just did multiplayer till it comes out.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What we have is data (estimates) of sales which show very good sales *currently* and also a few retailers who have lowered their profit margin to sell some stock, some of which are actually in financial trouble (retailers including specifically one one the OP mentions).

YOU say they show very good sales. People can make their own judgments about the situation.

Also, Walmart, Amazon, and Ebay are not in financial trouble. Lower prices abound. It goes beyond Best Buy and your theory they're selling ME3 for cheap because they are in financial trouble.

Selling more than previous titles is sold well not sold badly. Does not matter whether your coming from hurt feelings side or liked the product end of the scale.

[Viyu]

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PluralAces wrote...

if this game didnt have multiplayer i would have traded this game and the first two games weeks ago...

Which is ironic given so many here (and wasa vast amount at the time), if got their way on that issue ranting on about how "Bioware should keep their MP out of SP games", you would not have MP to begin with. Listening to what the fans want does not always equal the right choice to make.

Nothing wrong with MP but most people who do not like it just want it to not effect the SP experience, because it is practically required.

Do you think fans should demand a patch that remedies this with the DLC content they said they were doing? I for one can't get my internet plugged into my X-box, so there is no way I can play multiplayer at all. It's going to be jarring just to get the DLC for the endings.

[kbct]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Are people really rooting for ME3's failure or that of EA/BW out of spite over a disagreement of subjective opinion? You should hope it does well enough to allow for more ME games ot be done in the future if you ever hope to get some resolution. They are not going to throw good money after bad after all.

I am not rooting for failure. I am observing the situation. I can't control EA/BioWare's decision making process. But I can note the consequences of it.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Are people really rooting for ME3's failure or that of EA/BW out of spite over a disagreement of subjective opinion? You should hope it does well enough to allow for more ME games ot be done in the future if you ever hope to get some resolution. They are not going to throw good money after bad after all.

I am not rooting for failure. I am observing the situation. I can't control EA/BioWare's decision making process. But I can note the consequences of it.

Sorry if you did not like the endings but from all data we the fans have access to, it shows they have made around 3 to 3.5 million in sales in the first month as far as consequences go for EA if I was them I would be far from unhappy with those sort of numbers.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

YOU say they show very good sales. People can make their own judgments about the situation.

Also, Walmart, Amazon, and Ebay are not in financial trouble. Lower prices abound. It goes beyond Best Buy and your theory they're selling ME3 for cheap because they are in financial trouble.

Selling more than previous titles is sold well not sold badly.

That metric is worthless if we don't know how much ME3 cost to make.

Also, everyone was looking forward to ME3. We have to look at sales after everyone realized the ending was bad.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

YOU say they show very good sales. People can make their own judgments about the situation.

Also, Walmart, Amazon, and Ebay are not in financial trouble. Lower prices abound. It goes beyond Best Buy and your theory they're selling ME3 for cheap because they are in financial trouble.

Selling more than previous titles is sold well not sold badly.

That metric is worthless if we don't know how much ME3 cost to make.

Also, everyone was looking forward to ME3. We have to look at sales after everyone realized the ending was bad.

What we do know if EA have stated ToR was by far the largest they ever invested into a product which was estimated at 200-300 million, which means ME3 was much less invested in comparrison. Now taking what data we do have acces to and 3 to 3.5million sales even as conservative estimates they would of made at least 100 million or more in the first month in sales and return of investment. Take into account the lifetime sales of the product will be spread over around 2 to 3 years, you would be very nieve to think they won't make a huge amount of profit even at conservative sales for the remainder of 2+ years of units sold on top of that first months 100+million estimated return.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sorry if you did not like the endings but from all data we the fans have access to, it shows they have made around 3 to 3.5 million in sales in the first month as far as consequences go for EA if I was them I would be far from unhappy with those sort of numbers.

Source? VGC? Any info on returns or trade-ins? Or profit margin? Or breakeven?

Any information on the goodwill spent by BioWare after so many felt like they got kicked in the balls and thrown off a cliff?

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sorry if you did not like the endings but from all data we the fans have access to, it shows they have made around 3 to 3.5 million in sales in the first month as far as consequences go for EA if I was them I would be far from unhappy with those sort of numbers.

Source? VGC? Any info on returns or trade-ins? Or profit margin? Or breakeven?

Any information on the goodwill spent by BioWare after so many felt like they got kicked in the balls and thrown off a cliff?

Your grasping at straws trying to push fear mongering as propaganda to force changes because your feelings were hurt over the product you chose to buy.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If EA do not wish to sell to them at a lower price, they won't. Amazon will increase their price retailing the product at to continue to make a profit. There is no evidence to say that the reason the price is low is because they cannot sell it at a higher price. They merely could be lowering the price due to the quantity they initially ordered allows them to make a larger profit and room to compete price wise. In the end you simply have no proof that individual retailers lowering their profit margins has or will have any effect on EA price they sell their stock to them. Literally no proof at all just random uninformed guessing with no facts to back up regarding the agreements between publisher and retailer. Fear mongers and drama queens with their own personal agendas based on their precious hurt feelings.

How about common sense ? Amazon are going to sell stuff for the highest price they can get for it. If they are cutting the price because others are doing so thats because ME3 is not selling and they don't want to be the ones to end up with copies in warehouses gathering dust.

Your problem here is your too emotive on the issue. Whether or not anyone had posted this thread , this stuff was happening anyway. It's not like Amazon saw this and said "Wow we really need to lower the price of ME3 even though it's selling like hot cakes".

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If EA do not wish to sell to them at a lower price, they won't. Amazon will increase their price retailing the product at to continue to make a profit. There is no evidence to say that the reason the price is low is because they cannot sell it at a higher price. They merely could be lowering the price due to the quantity they initially ordered allows them to make a larger profit and room to compete price wise. In the end you simply have no proof that individual retailers lowering their profit margins has or will have any effect on EA price they sell their stock to them. Literally no proof at all just random uninformed guessing with no facts to back up regarding the agreements between publisher and retailer. Fear mongers and drama queens with their own personal agendas based on their precious hurt feelings.

How about common sense ? Amazon are going to sell stuff for the highest price they can get for it. If they are cutting the price because others are doing so thats because ME3 is not selling and they don't want to be the ones to end up with copies in warehouses gathering dust.

Your problem here is your too emotive on the issue. Whether or not anyone had posted this thread , this stuff was happening anyway. It's not like Amazon saw this and said "Wow we really need to lower the price of ME3 even though it's selling like hot cakes".

Unlike DA2 where you (the hurt feelings group) had used VGC to push your agendas by showing it sold less than previous title, it is funny when the evidence used here shows it is selling more than previous titles you resort to as a group instead relying on pushing what retailers sell the products for. Grasping at straws is putting it mildly.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Source? VGC? Any info on returns or trade-ins? Or profit margin? Or breakeven?

Any information on the goodwill spent by BioWare after so many felt like they got kicked in the balls and thrown off a cliff?

Your grasping at straws trying to push fear mongering as propaganda to force changes because your feelings were hurt over the product you chose to buy.

 
Other people can read this thread and decide for themselves.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What we do know if EA have stated ToR was by far the largest they ever invested into a product which was estimated at 200-300 million, which means ME3 was much less invested in comparrison. Now taking what data we do have acces to and 3 to 3.5million sales even as conservative estimates they would of made at least 100 million or more in the first month in sales and return of investment. Take into account the lifetime sales of the product will be spread over around 2 to 3 years, you would be very nieve to think they won't make a huge amount of profit even at conservative sales for the remainder of 2+ years of units sold on top of that first months 100+million estimated return.

What if ME3 cost $150M? What if profit on each unit was only $20?

[InvincibleHero]

BobSmith101 wrote...

How about common sense ? Amazon are going to sell stuff for the highest price they can get for it. If they are cutting the price because others are doing so thats because ME3 is not selling and they don't want to be the ones to end up with copies in warehouses gathering dust.

Your problem here is your too emotive on the issue. Whether or not anyone had posted this thread , this stuff was happening anyway. It's not like Amazon saw this and said "Wow we really need to lower the price of ME3 even though it's selling like hot cakes".

Have you ever had an economics course? There are people willing to pay $100 for games but that does not mean that is the best price. This matches trying to sell for highest price they can get maxim that is supposedly common sense. They would not sell very many units.

They want to sell-through their units as quickly as possible to maximize their profits. They can also gain more sales by using a price leader sales lost approach. they can lower prices on ME3 to a point where they lose money but might also make up when people browse and buy other things like those suggested at the bottom of the page if you like this....

Amazon also represents many different sellers and they obviously get a take from them which is pure profit. So they could care less what they set their prices for. Only on stuff that Amazon stocks and sells are they concerned with price.

[AkiKishi]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

I no financial analyzer, but it seems to be the short term sales would have been significantly high because of all the pre-orders.

Either way, the only people who can say how ME3 is selling is EA/Bioware because they are the ones with the projections that they are trying to match. Doesn't really matter if you compare the ME3 sales to ME1/ME2 if their projections for ME3 are different anyways.

Thats the DA2 pattern. Strong pre-orders based on previous game.
Good inital sales based on advertising.

After that not much of anything and in the end DA outsold it by a wide margin.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...

I no financial analyzer, but it seems to be the short term sales would have been significantly high because of all the pre-orders.

Either way, the only people who can say how ME3 is selling is EA/Bioware because they are the ones with the projections that they are trying to match. Doesn't really matter if you compare the ME3 sales to ME1/ME2 if their projections for ME3 are different anyways.

Thats the DA2 pattern. Strong pre-orders based on previous game.
Good inital sales based on advertising.

After that not much of anything and in the end DA outsold it by a wide margin.

As already told you...

Unlike DA2 where you (the hurt feelings group) had used VGC to push your agendas by showing it sold less than previous title, it is funny when the evidence used here shows it is selling more than previous titles you resort to as a group instead relying on pushing what retailers sell the products for. Grasping at straws is putting it mildly.

Your trying to find anything you can to force change, it's simple fear mongering.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If EA do not wish to sell to them at a lower price, they won't. Amazon will increase their price retailing the product at to continue to make a profit. There is no evidence to say that the reason the price is low is because they cannot sell it at a higher price. They merely could be lowering the price due to the quantity they initially ordered allows them to make a larger profit and room to compete price wise. In the end you simply have no proof that individual retailers lowering their profit margins has or will have any effect on EA price they sell their stock to them. Literally no proof at all just random uninformed guessing with no facts to back up regarding the agreements between publisher and retailer. Fear mongers and drama queens with their own personal agendas based on their precious hurt feelings.

How about common sense ? Amazon are going to sell stuff for the highest price they can get for it. If they are cutting the price because others are doing so thats because ME3 is not selling and they don't want to be the ones to end up with copies in warehouses gathering dust.

Your problem here is your too emotive on the issue. Whether or not anyone had posted this thread , this stuff was happening anyway. It's not like Amazon saw this and said "Wow we really need to lower the price of ME3 even though it's selling like hot cakes".

Unlike DA2 where you (the hurt feelings group) had used VGC to push your agendas by showing it sold less than previous title, it is funny when the evidence used here shows it is selling more than previous titles you resort to as a group instead relying on pushing what retailers sell the products for. Grasping at straws is putting it mildly.

Nothing said on this thread makes a lick of difference either way. The thread is simply reflecting what is happening in the market. No one is making up these prices, these prices are there in the links. If you think that a new game selling at almost half price after 21 days is a good thing, well you are entitled to your opinion.

[kbct]

InvincibleHero wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

How about common sense ? Amazon are going to sell stuff for the highest price they can get for it. If they are cutting the price because others are doing so thats because ME3 is not selling and they don't want to be the ones to end up with copies in warehouses gathering dust.

Your problem here is your too emotive on the issue. Whether or not anyone had posted this thread , this stuff was happening anyway. It's not like Amazon saw this and said "Wow we really need to lower the price of ME3 even though it's selling like hot cakes".

Have you ever had an economics course? There are people willing to pay $100 for games but that does not mean that is the best price. This matches trying to sell for highest price they can get maxim that is supposedly common sense. They would not sell very many units.

Falling prices means excess supply or not enough demand.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If EA do not wish to sell to them at a lower price, they won't. Amazon will increase their price retailing the product at to continue to make a profit. There is no evidence to say that the reason the price is low is because they cannot sell it at a higher price. They merely could be lowering the price due to the quantity they initially ordered allows them to make a larger profit and room to compete price wise. In the end you simply have no proof that individual retailers lowering their profit margins has or will have any effect on EA price they sell their stock to them. Literally no proof at all just random uninformed guessing with no facts to back up regarding the agreements between publisher and retailer. Fear mongers and drama queens with their own personal agendas based on their precious hurt feelings.

How about common sense ? Amazon are going to sell stuff for the highest price they can get for it. If they are cutting the price because others are doing so thats because ME3 is not selling and they don't want to be the ones to end up with copies in warehouses gathering dust.

Your problem here is your too emotive on the issue. Whether or not anyone had posted this thread , this stuff was happening anyway. It's not like Amazon saw this and said "Wow we really need to lower the price of ME3 even though it's selling like hot cakes".

Unlike DA2 where you (the hurt feelings group) had used VGC to push your agendas by showing it sold less than previous title, it is funny when the evidence used here shows it is selling more than previous titles you resort to as a group instead relying on pushing what retailers sell the products for. Grasping at straws is putting it mildly.

Nothing said on this thread makes a lick of difference either way. The thread is simply reflecting what is happening in the market. No one is making up these prices, these prices are there in the links. If you think that a new game selling at almost half price after 21 days is a good thing, well you are entitled to your opinion.

If you feel that in order to validate yourself you need to believe will sell badly then thats up to you, but sales data so far do not agree with your stance. The only thing you have is what retailers sell it for because for once VGC is not backing up what you want to see so you try to distance your favorite tool (weapon of choice) used in the past for your agenda (the hurt feelings group) and instead relying on another method/tool.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[kbct]

BobSmith101 wrote...
Nothing said on this thread makes a lick of difference either way. The thread is simply reflecting what is happening in the market. No one is making up these prices, these prices are there in the links. If you think that a new game selling at almost half price after 21 days is a good thing, well you are entitled to your opinion.

Agreed. We are just observing the facts. Everyone else can determine if the falling prices are good for ME3.