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[AkiKishi]

InvincibleHero wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

How about common sense ? Amazon are going to sell stuff for the highest price they can get for it. If they are cutting the price because others are doing so thats because ME3 is not selling and they don't want to be the ones to end up with copies in warehouses gathering dust.

Your problem here is your too emotive on the issue. Whether or not anyone had posted this thread , this stuff was happening anyway. It's not like Amazon saw this and said "Wow we really need to lower the price of ME3 even though it's selling like hot cakes".

Have you ever had an economics course? There are people willing to pay $100 for games but that does not mean that is the best price. This matches trying to sell for highest price they can get maxim that is supposedly common sense. They would not sell very many units.

They want to sell-through their units as quickly as possible to maximize their profits. They can also gain more sales by using a price leader sales lost approach. they can lower prices on ME3 to a point where they lose money but might also make up when people browse and buy other things like those suggested at the bottom of the page if you like this....

Well you take what you can get . But if you can't get more than £24.95 after only 21 days you have seriously overestimated the popularity of the title.

[Foryou]

Best Buy tends to do that with new games

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you feel that in order to validate yourself you need to believe will sell badly then thats up to you, but sales data so far do not agree with your stance. The only thing you have is what retailers sell it for because for once VGC is not backing up what you want to see so you try to distance your favorite tool (weapon of choice) used in the past for your agenda (the hurt feelings group) and instead relying on another method/tool.

I don't need to validate anything I have no personal stake in this either way.

I ballparked ME3 at 3.5 million. It's not likely to reach that now any time soon or ever and 3.5 million is roughly what Skyrim sold in 2 days.

[InvincibleHero]

kbct wrote...

Falling prices means excess supply or not enough demand.

Not always. Stores have sales to clear inventory because they want to place something else there that may generate more sales long-term. They always clearance the last few to get rid of them. That is a couple reasons that invalidate your stance.

Another is manufatcurer can offer temporary rebates to generate more sales.

Loss leader as I mentioned is a fourth.

That's enough I think.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you feel that in order to validate yourself you need to believe will sell badly then thats up to you, but sales data so far do not agree with your stance. The only thing you have is what retailers sell it for because for once VGC is not backing up what you want to see so you try to distance your favorite tool (weapon of choice) used in the past for your agenda (the hurt feelings group) and instead relying on another method/tool.

I don't need to validate anything I have no personal stake in this either way.

I ballparked ME3 at 3.5 million. It's not likely to reach that now any time soon or ever and 3.5 million is roughly what Skyrim sold in 2 days.

You would be very much mistaken, your fortune cookie or magic 8 ball is led you astray in this case. All current data even though estimates from souces based on sample sizes like VGC are clearly showing not only have they reached around 3 million in the first three weeks but also take into account lifetime period of around 3 years of the product before new one comes out you would have to be under the assumption that minus the 3 million sold in first 3 weeks you believe they won't make an additional 500k over around 3 years.

[kbct]

InvincibleHero wrote...

kbct wrote...

Falling prices means excess supply or not enough demand.

Not always. Stores have sales to clear inventory because they want to place something else there that may generate more sales long-term. They always clearance the last few to get rid of them. That is a couple reasons that invalidate your stance.

Another is manufatcurer can offer temporary rebates to generate more sales.

Loss leader as I mentioned is a fourth.

That's enough I think.

There can be any number of reasons - for one store. We're looking at Amazon, Walmart, Ebay, and others as well.

Competition and rebates are good explanations for falling prices. Economics is a broad topic, but prices usually fall when supply doesn't equal demand.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you feel that in order to validate yourself you need to believe will sell badly then thats up to you, but sales data so far do not agree with your stance. The only thing you have is what retailers sell it for because for once VGC is not backing up what you want to see so you try to distance your favorite tool (weapon of choice) used in the past for your agenda (the hurt feelings group) and instead relying on another method/tool.

I don't need to validate anything I have no personal stake in this either way.

I ballparked ME3 at 3.5 million. It's not likely to reach that now any time soon or ever and 3.5 million is roughly what Skyrim sold in 2 days.

You would be very much mistaken, your fortune cookie or magic 8 ball is led you astray in this case. All current data even though estimates from souces based on sample sizes like VGC are clearly showing not only have they reached around 3 million in the first three weeks but also take into account lifetime period of around 3 years of the product before new one comes out you would have to be under the assumption that minus the 3 million sold in first 3 weeks you believe they won't make an additional 500k over around 3 years.

I find it highly unlikely it's sold 3 million and no one is shouting it from the rooftops.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you feel that in order to validate yourself you need to believe will sell badly then thats up to you, but sales data so far do not agree with your stance. The only thing you have is what retailers sell it for because for once VGC is not backing up what you want to see so you try to distance your favorite tool (weapon of choice) used in the past for your agenda (the hurt feelings group) and instead relying on another method/tool.

I don't need to validate anything I have no personal stake in this either way.

I ballparked ME3 at 3.5 million. It's not likely to reach that now any time soon or ever and 3.5 million is roughly what Skyrim sold in 2 days.

You would be very much mistaken, your fortune cookie or magic 8 ball is led you astray in this case. All current data even though estimates from souces based on sample sizes like VGC are clearly showing not only have they reached around 3 million in the first three weeks but also take into account lifetime period of around 3 years of the product before new one comes out you would have to be under the assumption that minus the 3 million sold in first 3 weeks you believe they won't make an additional 500k over around 3 years.

I find it highly unlikely it's sold 3 million and no one is shouting it from the rooftops.

Just because you do not believe something does not make it not true especially when the only evidence we have points to it being true. I should warn you that it appears to me your heading into tin foil territory right now. Don't go in there it is not a great place to be.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[Nepp]

I also think that the returns for ME3 is pretty high.

Like Dragon Age 2, they want to pass 5 million in sales. Like DA2, ME3 will not come close to that number.

3.5 mill sales for the shelf life of ME3 sounds about right.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Just because you do not believe something does not make it not true especially when the only evidence we have points to it being true. I should warn you that it appears to me your heading into tin foil territory right now. Don't go in there it is not a great place to be.

Did you see that ME3 selling on Origin for £25 thread?

Modifié par BobSmith101, 30 mars 2012 - 05:57 .

[DoctorEss]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you feel that in order to validate yourself you need to believe will sell badly then thats up to you, but sales data so far do not agree with your stance. The only thing you have is what retailers sell it for because for once VGC is not backing up what you want to see so you try to distance your favorite tool (weapon of choice) used in the past for your agenda (the hurt feelings group) and instead relying on another method/tool.

I don't need to validate anything I have no personal stake in this either way.

I ballparked ME3 at 3.5 million. It's not likely to reach that now any time soon or ever and 3.5 million is roughly what Skyrim sold in 2 days.

You would be very much mistaken, your fortune cookie or magic 8 ball is led you astray in this case. All current data even though estimates from souces based on sample sizes like VGC are clearly showing not only have they reached around 3 million in the first three weeks but also take into account lifetime period of around 3 years of the product before new one comes out you would have to be under the assumption that minus the 3 million sold in first 3 weeks you believe they won't make an additional 500k over around 3 years.

First, quoting VGC is like quoting Wikipedia.  Don't do it.  Vgchartz is almost always wrong.  Second, ME3 SHIPPED 3.5 million copies.  SHIPPED.  IS.  NOT.  SOLD.

[Nepp]

DoctorEss wrote...

First, quoting VGC is like quoting Wikipedia.  Don't do it.  Vgchartz is almost always wrong.  Second, ME3 SHIPPED 3.5 million copies.  SHIPPED.  IS.  NOT.  SOLD.

I got tired of trying to explain to people about the meaning of the word "sold in" not referring to actual sales.
And not to quote vgchartz, to wait a few months so you can see the picture better.

[Dragoonlordz]

Nepp wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

First, quoting VGC is like quoting Wikipedia.  Don't do it.  Vgchartz is almost always wrong.  Second, ME3 SHIPPED 3.5 million copies.  SHIPPED.  IS.  NOT.  SOLD.

I got tired of trying to explain to people about the meaning of the word "sold in" not referring to actual sales.
And not to quote vgchartz, to wait a few months so you can see the picture better.

Funny given the naysayers have quoted VGC with regard to hurt feelings all day and night with regard to DA2 and now they are complaining about it's use to show ME3 is not in the same situation. Shipped/sold in is still sold. The retailer has to pay for the stock even if it does not sell that stock unless they have a returns agreement and you have zero evidence that they have such. Whats wrong? Your weapon of choice not backing you up so you want to dismiss it?

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[Nepp]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nepp wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

First, quoting VGC is like quoting Wikipedia.  Don't do it.  Vgchartz is almost always wrong.  Second, ME3 SHIPPED 3.5 million copies.  SHIPPED.  IS.  NOT.  SOLD.

I got tired of trying to explain to people about the meaning of the word "sold in" not referring to actual sales.
And not to quote vgchartz, to wait a few months so you can see the picture better.

Funny given the naysayers have quoted VGC with regard to hurt feelings all day and night with regard to DA2 and now they are complaining about it's use to show ME3 is not in the same situation. Shipped/sold in is still sold. The retailer has to pay for the stock even if it does not sell that stock unless they have a returns agreement and you have zero evidence that they have such. Whats wrong? Your weapon of choice not backing you up so you want to dismiss it?

huh?

[VolusvsReaper]

How is this abomination of a thread still alive?







oh....

[AkiKishi]

Not like they are going to close it down when ME3 is selling for £25 on Orgin anyway.

[kbct]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

How is this abomination of a thread still alive?

I posted the Amazon prices for you on page 3 of this thread. You were wrong.

[SalsaDMA]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

YOU say they show very good sales. People can make their own judgments about the situation.

Also, Walmart, Amazon, and Ebay are not in financial trouble. Lower prices abound. It goes beyond Best Buy and your theory they're selling ME3 for cheap because they are in financial trouble.

Selling more than previous titles is sold well not sold badly.

That metric is worthless if we don't know how much ME3 cost to make.

Also, everyone was looking forward to ME3. We have to look at sales after everyone realized the ending was bad.

Don't forget that production cost is only part of the price.

Marketing costs is a very important price tag to consider as well. Especially when the consideration that I never saw much marketing material for ME1 or ME2 in 'the real world', while I saw ME3 posters splattered around town on about the same level as I had seen BF3 posters previously. Marketing wasn't cheap for ME3, and certainly not on the same level as they did for ME1 and ME2.

[kbct]

SalsaDMA wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

YOU say they show very good sales. People can make their own judgments about the situation.

Also, Walmart, Amazon, and Ebay are not in financial trouble. Lower prices abound. It goes beyond Best Buy and your theory they're selling ME3 for cheap because they are in financial trouble.

Selling more than previous titles is sold well not sold badly.

That metric is worthless if we don't know how much ME3 cost to make.

Also, everyone was looking forward to ME3. We have to look at sales after everyone realized the ending was bad.

Don't forget that production cost is only part of the price.

Marketing costs is a very important price tag to consider as well. Especially when the consideration that I never saw much marketing material for ME1 or ME2 in 'the real world', while I saw ME3 posters splattered around town on about the same level as I had seen BF3 posters previously. Marketing wasn't cheap for ME3, and certainly not on the same level as they did for ME1 and ME2.

Agreed. I'm talking about the total cost over the last two years - ever nickel spent to make ME3. While I'm positive that ME3 cost more than ME1 or ME2, I don't know about the actual cost.

However, I think it's very important to compare cost on a relative basis if we are going to compare sales on a relative basis. After all, revenue doesn't equal profit. EA brings in a ton of revenue, but they lost money six out of the last eight quarters.

[rpgfan321]

Really? The price has gone down? But I bet it's used and you still have to purchase the online pass, right?

Still... eh.

[Farbautisonn]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Damn I am sorry, it was not able to live up to your expectations (no form of snark intended). I did not see some of the bugs you had about resetting to lvl one so I guess I cannot say nothing about that. For story it is much better than what I have come from, which was playing a MMO, which their narrative is poor at the best of times. I guess I was able to get into character easier (I am not sure what you did before ME3), I know I played through the first two to make sure my mindset was in Shepard, while there were some seens to me that jarred me (no babies!), I was a bit much enveloped into the story so far to let myself get out. 

Also for the writing intregirty, I agree if it does not lead up to your standard critize them. I have trying be be crucial and critical about the ending without falling into the offensive or non-constructive. It did break the emersion for me, which did bother me for a bit, till I thought DLC is coming, and I just did multiplayer till it comes out.

I come from a background of BG1 & 2, PS:T, Witcher, FO:NV and in total some 25 years of playing © rpgs. I notice a story... its what keeps me interested

[SalsaDMA]

rpgfan321 wrote...

Really? The price has gone down? But I bet it's used and you still have to purchase the online pass, right?

Still... eh.

That made me think...

I wonder if EA have a clause that prevents the sale of their ME3 units for less than what an online pass costs...

If not, you could theoretically end up with a 'funny' situation...

[thunderhawk862002]

Even if you don't take VGchartz there is still evidence that people aren't happy with the product. When Gamestop, the biggest national retailer dealing in used games, changes its price scheme you know you're in trouble. Games with and without online passes very rarely drop beyond 54.99 until months out. It's unheard of for a AAA game to drop to 47.99 used one week after release. Uncharted 3 and Twisted Metal didn't do it (requires online pass, Street Fighter X Tekken and Skyrim didn't do it. Heck even Assassin's Creed Revelations is still at $49.99. Obviously something changed specific to Mass Effect 3 to change it's used pricing scheme.

Unless you want to tell me Gamestop just randomly decided to drop the price an additional $7 for one game without a reason.

[Dokarqt]

At the swedish online retailer(one of the biggest, if not the biggest) where I buy all my games, the price for ME3 for PC recently dropped from 449 SEK (original price) to 299 SEK. A similiar price reduction for XBOX and PS3 versions. That's pretty huge, it also does not have the usual "tags" associated with a temporary sale or campaign.

Modifié par Dokarqt, 31 mars 2012 - 06:59 .