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[cowoline]

I am convinced that it those scene where made for straight men, since Merill gets undressed and Isabella is alwas only half dressed.

Come on Bioware have some sympathy for the straight women and gay men. We like eyecandy as well

[InfinitePaths]

The romance story was made perfect in all DA and ME.But for gods sake how can you have 'romance' with your clothes/underpants on,take a look at the witcher 2,you have to do it like this bioware: and like this

[cowoline]

schalafi wrote...

I didn't mind the kissing and romantic talk in Anders' clinic. Some of it was very revealing in Anders' talk about thinking that this part of him was over with Justice, but he couldn't live without it. It showed how sad he was that he had changed so much. I didn't mind the talk after the bed scene where he said how he had wanted Hawke for 3 yrs, and how losing her/him would kill him. But, the bed scene was cringeworthy, imo. I would have been happier if they had just skipped that whole scene.

You know Bioware has a habit, if they even have a love scene at all, of putting it in the middle, of the game and when it's over the rest of the game has nothing. The only exception to that was being able to kiss Alistair whenever you wanted, and even that was done so you really couldn't see their faces.

I've always wondered if really would take so many resources to just spread the affection out a little, not just one part and then it's over. Like when Hawke almosts gets killed by the Qun when she goes with Aveline about the elves. When Hawke meets Anders afterward, if he's in the party, he says "you're safe, thank the Maker, I thought they got you." Wouldn't that have been a place for at least a hug? But no, the love scene was already over so that;'s all you can expect.

I just have a feeling that a lot more thought and work goes into the combat scenes, and even spreading usless loot around, than into personal relationships, but I think a good rpg would have both, and not just one scene to appease the people who found interaction with npcs equally important.

Agreed. I also find it very strange( and a bit cruel) is in MOTA the prison seen. Your love intrest comes for you, deeply worried and Hawke can't even be bothered to reply "i'm fine". WTF! If i where the LI i would get a very upset.

[Cantina]

cowoline wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I didn't mind the kissing and romantic talk in Anders' clinic. Some of it was very revealing in Anders' talk about thinking that this part of him was over with Justice, but he couldn't live without it. It showed how sad he was that he had changed so much. I didn't mind the talk after the bed scene where he said how he had wanted Hawke for 3 yrs, and how losing her/him would kill him. But, the bed scene was cringeworthy, imo. I would have been happier if they had just skipped that whole scene.

You know Bioware has a habit, if they even have a love scene at all, of putting it in the middle, of the game and when it's over the rest of the game has nothing. The only exception to that was being able to kiss Alistair whenever you wanted, and even that was done so you really couldn't see their faces.

I've always wondered if really would take so many resources to just spread the affection out a little, not just one part and then it's over. Like when Hawke almosts gets killed by the Qun when she goes with Aveline about the elves. When Hawke meets Anders afterward, if he's in the party, he says "you're safe, thank the Maker, I thought they got you." Wouldn't that have been a place for at least a hug? But no, the love scene was already over so that;'s all you can expect.

I just have a feeling that a lot more thought and work goes into the combat scenes, and even spreading usless loot around, than into personal relationships, but I think a good rpg would have both, and not just one scene to appease the people who found interaction with npcs equally important.

Agreed. I also find it very strange( and a bit cruel) is in MOTA the prison seen. Your love intrest comes for you, deeply worried and Hawke can't even be bothered to reply "i'm fine". WTF! If i where the LI i would get a very upset.

Oh I agree with that. When Anders asked if I was "OK" my character just stood there like a deer in headlights. It would have been nice to see your character give him a quick peck on the lips and say "I'm fine."
 

Again....the writting.......<wanders off to bang head on a wall>

[nightscrawl]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

The romance story was made perfect in all DA and ME.But for gods sake how can you have 'romance' with your clothes/underpants on,take a look at the witcher 2,you have to do it like this bioware: and like this

I haven't played either of the Witcher games, but wow... I think Bioware would really have to be willing to make that mental leap of showing the nudity as well as the sexual action, which they don't currently. Both DAO and DA2 have love scenes that only go half way. Either do a full fade to black after kiss (which is pretty much what happens with Fenris), or go all the way like TW2 does. PICK ONE.

[Cantina]

One thing that really bothered me with Anders romance is how the female dialogue was shorter then the male dialogue.


I also did not get the lines of him constantly saying he'll hurt you.  Uh, my character has been through hell up to this point, do your worst. I don't think I need it driven in my head like a rail road spike in almost every converstation. Beyond that I think your character is aware of the risks, seeing as to how your persuing a relationship with a man who has a fade spirit in him.

Personally I would like to see getting to know the person you are romancing. Like Alistair, you got to hear pretty much his life story. Feneris at least sat there for more then five mintues given you his backround.

I swear people (like me) who romanced Anders, got screwed.

Modifié par Cantina, 29 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[philippe willaume]

The thing that was really bugging me in DA:2 is the
Flirt
Flirt
Sex
Then nothing
followed by
Hawke: You moved up with me <char_name>, Woa it is even better than dumping you, I see you even less than before.

I think the kiss every where and lets go to bed made that less visible to the player

As far as Andres well dating him must be even worse, it is already utterly bad that after 7 years of being mater he pulls a stunt like that on Hawke.

Phil

[Cantina]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

I have to agree with you cantina.

There was a lot of difference in the romances regarding dialogue.
Allthough parts of the Anders romance where touching it really bugged me that he kept going on about what a bad partner he would make. And when he moves in I felt the romance was gone completely. Same goes for Merril.
No decent dialogue whatsoever.

Yep, I agree. Act 2 was the best part of the game simply
because all the romance was there. It did not make sense that it took Anders,
three years to move in with you. By the time Act 3 came around all you got was
a Codex on what and how your relationship was. Sure, you got dialogue with
Anders at the start, but it lasted, what two minutes, if that.

I would have thought that by Act 3 the relationship you have
with your life partner would have been more involved, especially conversation
wise. Sure, Anders is living with you, but come on, throw us a bone, let us fan
nuts of Anders, walk up to him and get a kiss or go to bed with him.

Every time I get to Act 3, I feel like the romance
department was replaced with tumbleweed. If they can make the start and middle
of the romance so good, come on, keep going, I hate being left hanging.



I saw on Youtube, how Anders opens up to the male about his relationship with Karl, god I would have loved to see him open up like that to my female. Would have made things more interesting.

[schalafi]

cowoline wrote...

I am convinced that it those scene where made for straight men, since Merill gets undressed and Isabella is alwas only half dressed.

Come on Bioware have some sympathy for the straight women and gay men. We like eyecandy as well

I agree that straight women/gay men get the shaft in this game. If they are going to do any romances at least make them equal for everyone.

Oh well, I still think a dlc would have helped the romance and the whole game, if it resolved where Hawke and LI went, and what they did. Also, a bit of information about what happened to the rest of the npcs would have been nice too, but of course we're not getting that now, so I guess we'll just have to use our imaginations and make our own picture of how the endings were.  

[cowoline]

I also think it's a odd that if Hawke sides with mages she doesn't get a kiss. Come on Anders, you thought Hawke would kill you, but didn't. You would think it would be worth a kiss.

[Cantina]

cowoline wrote...

I also think it's a odd that if Hawke sides with mages she doesn't get a kiss. Come on Anders, you thought Hawke would kill you, but didn't. You would think it would be worth a kiss.

Damn straight.

I threw a non-filled cup at my T.V. my first play through. I was so pissed not getting a last kiss. I swear, I think the Developers fell asleep during that scene and forgot to add it in.

It was rather shameful too that the dialogue was not longer-it seemed rush.

Anders Yes! you saved my life...Join me

ME: Ok

Anders: War Time-bye!


<face palm> Honestly the final dialogue scene played out like friendship instead of someone who has been with you for several years let alone saved your life.

I know they are offically done with adding anymore to DA2, but I would so pay and give my soul for an extended romance DLC.

[nightscrawl]

Cantina wrote...

cowoline wrote...

I also think it's a odd that if Hawke sides with mages she doesn't get a kiss. Come on Anders, you thought Hawke would kill you, but didn't. You would think it would be worth a kiss.

Damn straight.

I threw a non-filled cup at my T.V. my first play through. I was so pissed not getting a last kiss. I swear, I think the Developers fell asleep during that scene and forgot to add it in.

It was rather shameful too that the dialogue was not longer-it seemed rush.

Anders Yes! you saved my life...Join me

ME: Ok

Anders: War Time-bye!


<face palm> Honestly the final dialogue scene played out like friendship instead of someone who has been with you for several years let alone saved your life.

I know they are offically done with adding anymore to DA2, but I would so pay and give my soul for an extended romance DLC.

I only romanced Anders on my first play shortly after DA2 release, so it's been a while. I had forgotten how it was in the final scene, it makes me feel bad for the Anders fans. The final Fenris scene was far more rewarding, and Isabela was just OK but the romance did get a nice mention that I thought was appropriate for the background. Never done Merrill =/, so how did that work out?

[cowoline]

nightscrawl wrote...

Cantina wrote...

cowoline wrote...

I also think it's a odd that if Hawke sides with mages she doesn't get a kiss. Come on Anders, you thought Hawke would kill you, but didn't. You would think it would be worth a kiss.

Damn straight.

I threw a non-filled cup at my T.V. my first play through. I was so pissed not getting a last kiss. I swear, I think the Developers fell asleep during that scene and forgot to add it in.

It was rather shameful too that the dialogue was not longer-it seemed rush.

Anders Yes! you saved my life...Join me

ME: Ok

Anders: War Time-bye!


<face palm> Honestly the final dialogue scene played out like friendship instead of someone who has been with you for several years let alone saved your life.

I know they are offically done with adding anymore to DA2, but I would so pay and give my soul for an extended romance DLC.

I only romanced Anders on my first play shortly after DA2 release, so it's been a while. I had forgotten how it was in the final scene, it makes me feel bad for the Anders fans. The final Fenris scene was far more rewarding, and Isabela was just OK but the romance did get a nice mention that I thought was appropriate for the background. Never done Merrill =/, so how did that work out?

Done a few Fenris romances as well and that romance seems very fitting with his personality. Love the gallows goodbye. I think i saw somewhere on Youtube that she kisses Hawke as well, but can't find the danmed thing:D

Btw am i the only one who misses awakening Justice? Loved him in awakening. When Anders says "Justice does not approve of my obsession with you" i think of this remark made by Justice "She loved him and he loved her. I envy what they had" You'd think he would jump at the chance to be loved, unless it was a rivalmance.

[Sylvan_Moon]

Well, let me see.. The Origins romances were better in my opinion because we were able to interact with LIs any time we want. However, once we ran out of dialogue, it became long stretches of boredom, except for the fade to black sexy time now and then.

And for some reason, I felt that you really need to work on the romance in Origins, whereas in DA2, I only flirted with Anders only once in Act 1 (and only because it was forced on me. I actually chose the 'It's unexpected.' line and Hawke said a totally different thing.) but come Act 2 after doing the Dissent quest, I tried his romance just for the hell of it and he was already willing to sleep with Hawke. That kiss in his clinic really surprised me. We hardly even talked at all in Act 1.

Though I'm relieved I actually liked the Fenris romance. Now if they included sexy time scenes like the one from Origins in addition to the scenes from DA2, I'd be very happy.

Modifié par Sylvan_Moon, 30 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[nightscrawl]

cowoline wrote...

Btw am i the only one who misses awakening Justice? Loved him in awakening. When Anders says "Justice does not approve of my obsession with you" i think of this remark made by Justice "She loved him and he loved her. I envy what they had" You'd think he would jump at the chance to be loved, unless it was a rivalmance.

While I liked the whole Anders clinic scene, that line doesn't really fit in with how Anders himself has described his merger with Justice. They are basically one being now, and while Anders might be able to say how his old friend Justice might respond to something, it's not the same today. So that line, while inducing fangirliness, is contradictory to his other statements on the issue.

But to your point, although I can see DAA Justice wanting to experience what he only knew from Kristoff's memories, there would be a point where he would say "The cause (mage freedom) is more important than anything else. If love or lust distract from the cause then it's not wanted and cannot be afforded." So in that sense, yes it does seem like something Justice would say about Anders's "obsession" with Hawke, and too, obsession over anything is not healthy. Anders knows all of this of course, but he wants Hawke, and when Hawke reciprocates he just can't help himself.

[katiebour]

 For the sex scenes, I'd love to have something more along the lines of the ME3 romance scenes (except unfairly that the non-human males got nearly zilch- booo!  I think they just didn't want to try and manage Turian/human relations after all of that talk about needing references and vids to figure out the mechanics. XD)

Also the DA:O toolset allowed for some lovely modding/character swapping- the author here put together a very tasteful and romantic custom!m!Hawke/DAA!Anders scene, and I'd definitely appreciate something along these lines in the third game (warning:  implied gay sex between two men):

 

In DA2 we didn't get shirtless companions (except for Merrill) because they were built with their outfit meshes instead of a body (there was literally nothing to dress/undress- you take the clothes away and they go invisi-body.)  Hence why having changeable outfits is a good thing- if we can dress them, we can undress them.     Of course we then run into the problem of having all females having the same buxom build, and all of the males having big muscles and broad chests.  

Anders as a mage would have required a slimmer build than the default m!Hawke body, if his clothing was anything to go by, and Fen would have required custom tattoos.  Izzy's nearly-nude chest...XD  You generally would have to have custom body meshes for each of them, which takes time and people to perfect.  Then you have to make the meshes play nice with each other, which is also a challenge.  Give us height and weight sliders, and characters' hands start disappearing into flesh in a love scene, for example,

or a short dwarf ends up motorboating a much taller Hawke:
 

or Anders ends up kissing the Arishok's chest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oqbsxW920 

(to name a few of the incredibly humorous characterswaps that have taken place, and their results XD)

Of course, given a toolset, fans playing on PC can create much of this content for themselves.

As far as the romance (as separate from the sex scenes), I'd definitely like the ability to kiss/hug your LI at various points through the game, ESPECIALLY if either of them have just gone through something traumatic.  LI/PC dialogue after Leandra's death was a step in the right direction, but we needed more.

I also agree that we needed romance content spread out over all Acts- not simply related to plotline quests, but discussions, arguments, smooches, comforting that are an end in and of themselves that lets us SEE why these two people love each other and what it's like for them to be together.

And I would have loved more background information not related to plot, but that is character-centric, as in Origins.  I feel like I know so much more about Zevran, for example, than Anders, because Zev tells you about his childhood, his mother, the ****house, the Crows, Rinna, sex poetry, the earring.  And you see his loyalty in the end and get a fairly decent resolution that leaves it open to the imagination.

For Anders (although I love him to pieces and romance the heck out of him nearly every time) it's often conjecture.  The only information we have about his childhood is from Hepler's short story, and it's a scant 2-3 lines.  He tells us bits and pieces about the Circle, but little of it is personal to HIM.  We only learn about Karl if our PC is m!Hawke, whereas Zevran in DA:O was up-front about his experiences with both men and women, Rinna and Taliesen.

Act III is torture because he stands in our house and says almost NOTHING except for the bit at the beginning.  And why the hell can't I give him the key AND sex him up at the same time?  I disliked that I had to choose either/or- I wanted to give him a gift and THEN distract him with nookie (that grin he gives is priceless if you choose "Merrill's gone, can't you think of anything better to do?" )

We just need more background on the characters, more conversations, and for god's sake when we click on them give us a dozen or so different lines for them to cycle through.  Give us the option to smooch or have tent-time if we like.  Where did the "Pirate Zevran reporting for duty!  Argh!" type lines go?

[schalafi]

katiebour wrote...

 For the sex scenes, I'd love to have something more along the lines of the ME3 romance scenes (except unfairly that the non-human males got nearly zilch- booo!  I think they just didn't want to try and manage Turian/human relations after all of that talk about needing references and vids to figure out the mechanics. XD)

Also the DA:O toolset allowed for some lovely modding/character swapping- the author here put together a very tasteful and romantic custom!m!Hawke/DAA!Anders scene, and I'd definitely appreciate something along these lines in the third game (warning:  implied gay sex between two men):

 

In DA2 we didn't get shirtless companions (except for Merrill) because they were built with their outfit meshes instead of a body (there was literally nothing to dress/undress- you take the clothes away and they go invisi-body.)  Hence why having changeable outfits is a good thing- if we can dress them, we can undress them.     Of course we then run into the problem of having all females having the same buxom build, and all of the males having big muscles and broad chests.  

Anders as a mage would have required a slimmer build than the default m!Hawke body, if his clothing was anything to go by, and Fen would have required custom tattoos.  Izzy's nearly-nude chest...XD  You generally would have to have custom body meshes for each of them, which takes time and people to perfect.  Then you have to make the meshes play nice with each other, which is also a challenge.  Give us height and weight sliders, and characters' hands start disappearing into flesh in a love scene, for example,

or a short dwarf ends up motorboating a much taller Hawke:
 

or Anders ends up kissing the Arishok's chest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oqbsxW920 

(to name a few of the incredibly humorous characterswaps that have taken place, and their results XD)

Of course, given a toolset, fans playing on PC can create much of this content for themselves.

As far as the romance (as separate from the sex scenes), I'd definitely like the ability to kiss/hug your LI at various points through the game, ESPECIALLY if either of them have just gone through something traumatic.  LI/PC dialogue after Leandra's death was a step in the right direction, but we needed more.

I also agree that we needed romance content spread out over all Acts- not simply related to plotline quests, but discussions, arguments, smooches, comforting that are an end in and of themselves that lets us SEE why these two people love each other and what it's like for them to be together.

And I would have loved more background information not related to plot, but that is character-centric, as in Origins.  I feel like I know so much more about Zevran, for example, than Anders, because Zev tells you about his childhood, his mother, the ****house, the Crows, Rinna, sex poetry, the earring.  And you see his loyalty in the end and get a fairly decent resolution that leaves it open to the imagination.

For Anders (although I love him to pieces and romance the heck out of him nearly every time) it's often conjecture.  The only information we have about his childhood is from Hepler's short story, and it's a scant 2-3 lines.  He tells us bits and pieces about the Circle, but little of it is personal to HIM.  We only learn about Karl if our PC is m!Hawke, whereas Zevran in DA:O was up-front about his experiences with both men and women, Rinna and Taliesen.

Act III is torture because he stands in our house and says almost NOTHING except for the bit at the beginning.  And why the hell can't I give him the key AND sex him up at the same time?  I disliked that I had to choose either/or- I wanted to give him a gift and THEN distract him with nookie (that grin he gives is priceless if you choose "Merrill's gone, can't you think of anything better to do?" )

We just need more background on the characters, more conversations, and for god's sake when we click on them give us a dozen or so different lines for them to cycle through.  Give us the option to smooch or have tent-time if we like.  Where did the "Pirate Zevran reporting for duty!  Argh!" type lines go?

But they already had a shirtless body mesh for the templar that was kidnapped by the blood mages...I forget his name... was it Leran?  With that body mesh couldn't they have just substituted Anders' head and used that for the love scenes? Also why can I undress my fem Hawke down to underwear any time I want, "except" for the love scene? I just don't understand Bioware's thinking about this!

[katiebour]

schalafi wrote...

But they already had a shirtless body mesh for the templar that was kidnapped by the blood mages...I forget his name... was it Leran?  With that body mesh couldn't they have just substituted Anders' head and used that for the love scenes? Also why can I undress my fem Hawke down to underwear any time I want, "except" for the love scene? I just don't understand Bioware's thinking about this!

True.  Merrill, I think was the only one able to be easily unclothed because they already had the underwear mesh from the elvhen girls at the Blooming Rose.  No tats for Fen, though, and no mesh suitable for Isabela's plentiful assets.

They could have used the default male human torso for Anders- in fact, modders have enabled this for PC users.  I use Diversified Follower Armors (which allows me to clothe my companions in any gear as I see fit, or unclothe them.  See my screens here:

http://katiebour.tum...s-justice-set-1 

Here's Anders and Merrill in different clothing (along with my swap of a rogue!Nathaniel Howe for Fenris, and a swap in for Isabela of one of my good friend's Hawkes, Cecilia):
http://bit.ly/HoVCxJ
http://bit.ly/H3NLbm

These are the same mods in the Anders love scene.

http://bit.ly/H202eP
http://bit.ly/HxhvhP

He's a bit more buff than you'd expect from his clothing model- the size of his biceps in his robes doesn't match the size of the biceps on the default torso.

http://bit.ly/GY03S8

 Also problematic is the chest hair- since the game has one torso that it doles out to all the members of a race and gender, adding chest hair to that one torso gives all human males the same color chest hair, regardless of the shade of the hair on their head.  So a love scene with an unclothed Anders and a default m!Hawke would either involve both of them with no chest hair, or both of them with the same color chest hair and one of them not matching the hair on his head.

But making custom body models for the companions takes resources that many feel can be better spent, and so we have companions with clothes-only meshes.  I suspect that's why  they keep pushing the "iconic" look- if a companion always looks the same no matter what you equip him with, you don't have to worry about armor being adjusted for custom meshes.

So it really depends, I guess, on whether you're willing to accept that your companions have the same default body as every other member of their race and gender, or whether Bioware can be persuaded to make custom body meshes for each companion at significant expense.  And of course with a custom mesh, armor has to be adjusted to fit properly...

Modifié par katiebour, 30 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[cowoline]

nightscrawl wrote...

cowoline wrote...

Btw am i the only one who misses awakening Justice? Loved him in awakening. When Anders says "Justice does not approve of my obsession with you" i think of this remark made by Justice "She loved him and he loved her. I envy what they had" You'd think he would jump at the chance to be loved, unless it was a rivalmance.

While I liked the whole Anders clinic scene, that line doesn't really fit in with how Anders himself has described his merger with Justice. They are basically one being now, and while Anders might be able to say how his old friend Justice might respond to something, it's not the same today. So that line, while inducing fangirliness, is contradictory to his other statements on the issue.

But to your point, although I can see DAA Justice wanting to experience what he only knew from Kristoff's memories, there would be a point where he would say "The cause (mage freedom) is more important than anything else. If love or lust distract from the cause then it's not wanted and cannot be afforded." So in that sense, yes it does seem like something Justice would say about Anders's "obsession" with Hawke, and too, obsession over anything is not healthy. Anders knows all of this of course, but he wants Hawke, and when Hawke reciprocates he just can't help himself.

Good point. I geuss i just liked the sensitivity that Justice had and in awakening. They did seem to make an attempt to show how Justice changed/grew as a result of being trapped outside the fade. Lets hope we get some info about how they are doing in DA3.

[Cantina]

katiebour wrote...

schalafi wrote...

But they already had a shirtless body mesh for the templar that was kidnapped by the blood mages...I forget his name... was it Leran?  With that body mesh couldn't they have just substituted Anders' head and used that for the love scenes? Also why can I undress my fem Hawke down to underwear any time I want, "except" for the love scene? I just don't understand Bioware's thinking about this!

True.  Merrill, I think was the only one able to be easily unclothed because they already had the underwear mesh from the elvhen girls at the Blooming Rose.  No tats for Fen, though, and no mesh suitable for Isabela's plentiful assets.

They could have used the default male human torso for Anders- in fact, modders have enabled this for PC users.  I use Diversified Follower Armors (which allows me to clothe my companions in any gear as I see fit, or unclothe them.  See my screens here:

http://katiebour.tum...s-justice-set-1 

Here's Anders and Merrill in different clothing (along with my swap of a rogue!Nathaniel Howe for Fenris, and a swap in for Isabela of one of my good friend's Hawkes, Cecilia):
http://bit.ly/HoVCxJ
http://bit.ly/H3NLbm

These are the same mods in the Anders love scene.

http://bit.ly/H202eP
http://bit.ly/HxhvhP

He's a bit more buff than you'd expect from his clothing model- the size of his biceps in his robes doesn't match the size of the biceps on the default torso.

http://bit.ly/GY03S8

 Also problematic is the chest hair- since the game has one torso that it doles out to all the members of a race and gender, adding chest hair to that one torso gives all human males the same color chest hair, regardless of the shade of the hair on their head.  So a love scene with an unclothed Anders and a default m!Hawke would either involve both of them with no chest hair, or both of them with the same color chest hair and one of them not matching the hair on his head.

But making custom body models for the companions takes resources that many feel can be better spent, and so we have companions with clothes-only meshes.  I suspect that's why  they keep pushing the "iconic" look- if a companion always looks the same no matter what you equip him with, you don't have to worry about armor being adjusted for custom meshes.

So it really depends, I guess, on whether you're willing to accept that your companions have the same default body as every other member of their race and gender, or whether Bioware can be persuaded to make custom body meshes for each companion at significant expense.  And of course with a custom mesh, armor has to be adjusted to fit properly...

I'd settle for the same male body types if it would get better sex scenes. And that photo of Anders without his shirt.....<dies happy>

[schalafi]

katiebour wrote...

schalafi wrote...

But they already had a shirtless body mesh for the templar that was kidnapped by the blood mages...I forget his name... was it Leran?  With that body mesh couldn't they have just substituted Anders' head and used that for the love scenes? Also why can I undress my fem Hawke down to underwear any time I want, "except" for the love scene? I just don't understand Bioware's thinking about this!

True.  Merrill, I think was the only one able to be easily unclothed because they already had the underwear mesh from the elvhen girls at the Blooming Rose.  No tats for Fen, though, and no mesh suitable for Isabela's plentiful assets.

They could have used the default male human torso for Anders- in fact, modders have enabled this for PC users.  I use Diversified Follower Armors (which allows me to clothe my companions in any gear as I see fit, or unclothe them.  See my screens here:

http://katiebour.tum...s-justice-set-1 

Here's Anders and Merrill in different clothing (along with my swap of a rogue!Nathaniel Howe for Fenris, and a swap in for Isabela of one of my good friend's Hawkes, Cecilia):
http://bit.ly/HoVCxJ
http://bit.ly/H3NLbm

These are the same mods in the Anders love scene.

http://bit.ly/H202eP
http://bit.ly/HxhvhP

He's a bit more buff than you'd expect from his clothing model- the size of his biceps in his robes doesn't match the size of the biceps on the default torso.

http://bit.ly/GY03S8

 Also problematic is the chest hair- since the game has one torso that it doles out to all the members of a race and gender, adding chest hair to that one torso gives all human males the same color chest hair, regardless of the shade of the hair on their head.  So a love scene with an unclothed Anders and a default m!Hawke would either involve both of them with no chest hair, or both of them with the same color chest hair and one of them not matching the hair on his head.

But making custom body models for the companions takes resources that many feel can be better spent, and so we have companions with clothes-only meshes.  I suspect that's why  they keep pushing the "iconic" look- if a companion always looks the same no matter what you equip him with, you don't have to worry about armor being adjusted for custom meshes.

So it really depends, I guess, on whether you're willing to accept that your companions have the same default body as every other member of their race and gender, or whether Bioware can be persuaded to make custom body meshes for each companion at significant expense.  And of course with a custom mesh, armor has to be adjusted to fit properly...

Where can I find the Diversified Follower Armors, and is it easy to use. I'm not a modder, so I hope there are good instructions... OR do I have to be a modder to use it?

[Sylvanpyxie]

See, the thread has just kind of boggled my mind at this point.

With all the horrific writing going on, the complete lack of character development, the poorly handled evolution of relationships, the utterly unforgivable dialogue and the complete lack of influence that this game has thrown in our faces...

Romantic cut scenes should be the last thing from anyone's mind.

Don't get me wrong, they're a good addition, i'm not arguing that. They're wonderful to have IF everything else is up to standard. But NOTHING is up to standard. Writing is abysmal, dialogue is cringe-worthy and everything is just so stagnant.

There are bigger things to focus on and i don't understand the point in threads that are just complaining about the single most minor thing in the game.

People want better romances? They need to complain about how badly the dialogue was handled, complain about the complete lack of character development. Complain about the fact you can't give Anders a new cat. Complain about something that is actually a MAJOR component in companion relationships.

I just really do not understand why people feel it's so important to address the single most pointless aspect of character interaction and not fight for the actual key components of RPG Companions.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 31 mars 2012 - 12:38 .