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[Cantina]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

See, the thread has just kind of boggled my mind at this point.

With all the horrific writing going on, the complete lack of character development, the poorly handled evolution of relationships, the utterly unforgivable dialogue and the complete lack of influence that this game has thrown in our faces...

Romantic cut scenes should be the last thing from anyone's mind.

Don't get me wrong, they're a good addition, i'm not arguing that. They're wonderful to have IF everything else is up to standard. But NOTHING is up to standard. Writing is abysmal, dialogue is cringe-worthy and everything is just so stagnant.

There are bigger things to focus on and i don't understand the point in threads that are just complaining about the single most minor thing in the game.

People want better romances? They need to complain about how badly the dialogue was handled, complain about the complete lack of character development. Complain about the fact you can't give Anders a new cat. Complain about something that is actually a MAJOR component in companion relationships.

I just really do not understand why people feel it's so important to address the single most pointless aspect of character interaction and not fight for the actual key components of RPG Companions.

That is the point people are trying to make, well at least I
am.

The writing in Dragon Age 2 was bad in comparison to the writing
of Origins. One major issue with Dragon Age 2 is the fact there are many plot
holes. If you have a game with more plot holes then Swiss cheese, everything
else suffers. From combat, to companion dialogue you name it.

IF the writing was done better, the romances (especially
Anders) probably would not have played out like a cheap dime love novel. I
think since Helper does not spend her time playing games that is probably what
she does in her spare time-read cheap dime love novels.

On top of that, the game was rushed out the door as if they
did the writing over breakfast on a napkin and a crayon. Sure, some bits were
OK, but the game story certainly was not as stellar as I expected it to be.

Oh, do not get me wrong the whole “Anders with the Chantry
thing” was interesting. However, before and after it was just flat. There was
no in depth context to have you grasp onto, especially in the romance
department. It certainly does not help knowing the game ends on a cliffhanger
and there is no chance to finish Hawke’s story. Supposedly, word is there is
going to be a new protagonist in the next game. I personally think this is a
bad move on Bioware’s part and worry that Dragon Age 3 is going to be far worse
than Dragon Age 2, but, I guess will have to wait and see.

[katiebour]

schalafi wrote...
Where can I find the Diversified Follower Armors, and is it easy to use. I'm not a modder, so I hope there are good instructions... OR do I have to be a modder to use it?

DFA is here:  
http://dragonage.nex...ile.php?id=2645 

Instructions for install are on the page, and it's fairly simple to do.  

The chest hair mod is here, with different flavors of hair distribution + color (remember that all males will have the same color, although it's easy enough to change):

http://dragonage.nex...ile.php?id=2495 

The Nexus is a fabulous place with thousands of mods, but remember- the more you have, the less likely they are to play nicely with each other.

http://dragonage.nexusmods.com/ 

[katiebour]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

See, the thread has just kind of boggled my mind at this point.

With all the horrific writing going on, the complete lack of character development, the poorly handled evolution of relationships, the utterly unforgivable dialogue and the complete lack of influence that this game has thrown in our faces...

Romantic cut scenes should be the last thing from anyone's mind.

Don't get me wrong, they're a good addition, i'm not arguing that. They're wonderful to have IF everything else is up to standard. But NOTHING is up to standard. Writing is abysmal, dialogue is cringe-worthy and everything is just so stagnant.

There are bigger things to focus on and i don't understand the point in threads that are just complaining about the single most minor thing in the game.

People want better romances? They need to complain about how badly the dialogue was handled, complain about the complete lack of character development. Complain about the fact you can't give Anders a new cat. Complain about something that is actually a MAJOR component in companion relationships.

I just really do not understand why people feel it's so important to address the single most pointless aspect of character interaction and not fight for the actual key components of RPG Companions.

For some of us the graphics and cutscenes ARE a major component.  Please don't try to tell anyone else what they should or should not care about- we're all different and we might all find different things important to us.  While I do in fact agree with you about many of the things you stated above, I also care about the kisses and romance cutscenes, and that doesn't make my input any less important or valid than yours.  We're both fans, right?

And in all honesty a lot of the romance cutscene/kiss work can be done by fans themselves with a toolset (along with creating new levels, new companions, new interactions, etc. INCLUDING giving Anders a cat:  see a similar DAO mod created here with the toolset.)  There's a "Better Sex Cutscenes" mod  for Origins on the Nexus which creates 7 different scenes in place of the one, and has nearly 600,000 downloads, along with almost 1,500,000 views.  There are seven different mods to improve DAO kisses.  So it's fairly obvious that of the PC-playing, modding fanbase, the cutscenes are an important component IN ADDITION to other content.

And if they'd been able to release an updated toolset for DA2, I have no doubt we'd have had our fanmade/fan-improved cutscenes without any further labor from Bioware, which really is the best solution since they don't want to release a game with super-explicit content anyway (I can already hear the screams of the outraged ratings board and conservative video game critics...)  And like DAO, we'd have had kisses and hugs for our poor LIs.

And for the rest of the fans who don't play on a PC, don't mod and/or don't want any change beyond what we have now, well, they don't have to install the mod.  Easy as pie.

tl;dr:  TOOLSET! 

[Cantina]

You know I went back and played DA from the start, I have
come to realize something.

While the sex scenes in DAO were cheesy, at least we had
them. However, the kiss scenes are still pathetic. I have no clue who is behind
making those kiss scenes, but showing the backs of the character heads while
kissing is not romantic. I see the same thing followed suit in Dragon Age 2.
Either we get a back of the head shot or the camera is so far back you need a
spyglass to see what they are doing.

Maybe for my husband and I’s wedding, I should have told the
photographer not to take photos of us kissing, but when we are kissing to take
pictures of the backs of our heads.

[Carmen_Willow]

I know many found the love scenes in Origins "cheesy," but I thought they were more intimate and satisfying than those in DA:2. I'd rather have underwear and a little "rolling in d' hay" than two lumps falling fully clothed on a bed--fade to black 1940's style.

What I really want is the opportunity to interact with my LI after the big scene. A kiss or two, a hug, something that indicates we are more than just companions in slaughter. I loved being able to kiss Alistair back at camp. Two different kiss scenes would have been even better or a choice of a kiss scene or a hug scene. Let's bring kissing back in DA: 3. Hugging would be fine as well.

[cowoline]

I would also like something like in ME II where you can join(in my case) thane on the couch and cuddle in bed. And another thing, why does merill have a cudddle scene and anders doesn't? Anders could cobfess his love just as easily in bed as in front of the fire.
I'd also like more dialog, i don't wan't to read in a codex i want them to tell me.

[schalafi]

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games. Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the boots and weapons, would help a lot !

[esper]

schalafi wrote...

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games. Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the boots and weapons, would help a lot !

Because Anders body model is not the standard male model and they didn't have resources to make it naked too. (The reason fenris didn't get one either).

[hussey 92]

The Witcher 2 makes Bioware look like ****'s

[Cantina]

schalafi wrote...

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that
there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for
Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the
male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not
interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to
ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this
happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real
life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games.
Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at
appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the
boots and weapons, would help a lot !

I agree with you hun, how they handled the romances in
Dragon Age 2 was shameful.

Honestly, I see no damn reason why the male romance got more
than the female romance; in a sense, I would call that sexist. It pissed me off
when I found out the male Anders romance got more dialogue then the female romance.

I do not mind the difference in how things are said in that dialogue depending on the sex, but I do in some ways
find it offensive that the female Hawke never knows about Anders and Karl. If
you look at the female and male romance it is like Anders is two different people,
(well he is but you know what I mean).

I wish it were played out to getting to know the person
instead of the obvious. The romance plays out as if
you were fishing for desperation in a bar somewhere. If you are going to chose
to be with someone forever, it needs passion and intimacy. Having two people,
lay on the bed fully clothed and kissing is not passion, especially for two
people wanting each other for three years.

esper wrote...

Because Anders body model is not the standard male model and they didn't have resources to make it naked too. (The reason fenris didn't get one either).

I have no idea if you believe that line, but since Bioware
made that statement, I like to say this to them, bullsh*t!

All there saying is they made Anders as sloppy and fast as possible.
Then when it came time for the romance scenes, they realized they screwed up
and could not go back-because they wanted to shove the game out as fast as possible.

IF the game was given at least another year of development, I bet my carton of
smokes we fans would have had the romance scenes we been wanting, especially with
Anders.

Bioware can try to shove me as much crap, as they want, I
certainly am not falling for it. Does it ****** me off how the Anders romance
played out? Damn right it does.

Modifié par Cantina, 04 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[hussey 92]

Cantina wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that
there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for
Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the
male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not
interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to
ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this
happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real
life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games.
Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at
appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the
boots and weapons, would help a lot !

I agree with you hun, how they handled the romances in
Dragon Age 2 was shameful.

Honestly, I see no damn reason why the male romance got more
than the female romance; in a sense, I would call that sexist. It pissed me off
when I found out the male Anders romance got more dialogue then the female romance.

I do not mind the difference in how things are said in that dialogue depending on the sex, but I do in some ways
find it offensive that the female Hawke never knows about Anders and Karl. If
you look at the female and male romance it is like Anders is two different people,
(well he is but you know what I mean).

I wish it were played out to getting to know the person
instead of the obvious. The romance plays out as if
you were fishing for desperation in a bar somewhere. If you are going to chose
to be with someone forever, it needs passion and intimacy. Having two people,
lay on the bed fully clothed and kissing is not passion, especially for two
people wanting each other for three years.

esper wrote...

Because Anders body model is not the standard male model and they didn't have resources to make it naked too. (The reason fenris didn't get one either).

I have no idea if you believe that line, but since Bioware
made that statement, I like to say this to them, bullsh*t!

All there saying is they made Anders as sloppy and fast as possible.
Then when it came time for the romance scenes, they realized they screwed up
and could not go back-because they wanted to shove the game out as fast as possible.

IF the game was given at least another year of development, I bet my carton of
smokes we fans would have had the romance scenes we been wanting, especially with
Anders.

Bioware can try to shove me as much crap, as they want, I
certainly am not falling for it. Does it ****** me off how the Anders romance
played out? Damn right it does.

I don't know if him being with Karl was a big deal with the story, it was just kind of him saying he's been with guys before.

I did notice a big difference between straight Awakening Anders and bi DA2 Anders.  I had no idea there was a third Anders for female Hawke


edit: actually now that I think about it, female Hawkes had more romance options (Sebastian)

Modifié par hussey 92, 04 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[Alessa]

Here's something, David Gaider wrote in another thread, regarding the love scenes in DA3:


http://social.biowar...9328/3#10912968

http://social.biowar...9328/3#10913699

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/10889328/4#10915496

I think, that sounds good ... hope they really suit the action to the word.

Modifié par Alessa-00, 04 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[esper]

Cantina wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that
there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for
Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the
male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not
interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to
ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this
happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real
life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games.
Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at
appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the
boots and weapons, would help a lot !

I agree with you hun, how they handled the romances in
Dragon Age 2 was shameful.

Honestly, I see no damn reason why the male romance got more
than the female romance; in a sense, I would call that sexist. It pissed me off
when I found out the male Anders romance got more dialogue then the female romance.

I do not mind the difference in how things are said in that dialogue depending on the sex, but I do in some ways
find it offensive that the female Hawke never knows about Anders and Karl. If
you look at the female and male romance it is like Anders is two different people,
(well he is but you know what I mean).

I wish it were played out to getting to know the person
instead of the obvious. The romance plays out as if
you were fishing for desperation in a bar somewhere. If you are going to chose
to be with someone forever, it needs passion and intimacy. Having two people,
lay on the bed fully clothed and kissing is not passion, especially for two
people wanting each other for three years.

esper wrote...

Because Anders body model is not the standard male model and they didn't have resources to make it naked too. (The reason fenris didn't get one either).

I have no idea if you believe that line, but since Bioware
made that statement, I like to say this to them, bullsh*t!

All there saying is they made Anders as sloppy and fast as possible.
Then when it came time for the romance scenes, they realized they screwed up
and could not go back-because they wanted to shove the game out as fast as possible.

IF the game was given at least another year of development, I bet my carton of
smokes we fans would have had the romance scenes we been wanting, especially with
Anders.

Bioware can try to shove me as much crap, as they want, I
certainly am not falling for it. Does it ****** me off how the Anders romance
played out? Damn right it does.

I do very much believe that line and that does not show that they made Anders sloppy of fast, but that they only had one male human model beside his and the realized that that human model was too muscular compared to and mage, who live in the sewer, proberly doesn't eat prober and shouldn't have those overlarge two handed warrior muscles that standard male Hawke has. Every naked human male figure have that. Reusing of models is a problem in all of da2, which we all know is there and know is bad.

[schalafi]

esper wrote...

Cantina wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that
there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for
Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the
male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not
interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to
ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this
happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real
life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games.
Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at
appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the
boots and weapons, would help a lot !

I agree with you hun, how they handled the romances in
Dragon Age 2 was shameful.

Honestly, I see no damn reason why the male romance got more
than the female romance; in a sense, I would call that sexist. It pissed me off
when I found out the male Anders romance got more dialogue then the female romance.

I do not mind the difference in how things are said in that dialogue depending on the sex, but I do in some ways
find it offensive that the female Hawke never knows about Anders and Karl. If
you look at the female and male romance it is like Anders is two different people,
(well he is but you know what I mean).

I wish it were played out to getting to know the person
instead of the obvious. The romance plays out as if
you were fishing for desperation in a bar somewhere. If you are going to chose
to be with someone forever, it needs passion and intimacy. Having two people,
lay on the bed fully clothed and kissing is not passion, especially for two
people wanting each other for three years.

esper wrote...

Because Anders body model is not the standard male model and they didn't have resources to make it naked too. (The reason fenris didn't get one either).

I have no idea if you believe that line, but since Bioware
made that statement, I like to say this to them, bullsh*t!

All there saying is they made Anders as sloppy and fast as possible.
Then when it came time for the romance scenes, they realized they screwed up
and could not go back-because they wanted to shove the game out as fast as possible.

IF the game was given at least another year of development, I bet my carton of
smokes we fans would have had the romance scenes we been wanting, especially with
Anders.

Bioware can try to shove me as much crap, as they want, I
certainly am not falling for it. Does it ****** me off how the Anders romance
played out? Damn right it does.

I do very much believe that line and that does not show that they made Anders sloppy of fast, but that they only had one male human model beside his and the realized that that human model was too muscular compared to and mage, who live in the sewer, proberly doesn't eat prober and shouldn't have those overlarge two handed warrior muscles that standard male Hawke has. Every naked human male figure have that. Reusing of models is a problem in all of da2, which we all know is there and know is bad.

esper, was Kerin's body model the same as Hawke's? He looked less muscular to me, but I could be wrong because I"ve only played fem Hawkes, so I never saw the male body model except in the videos on utube.

Modifié par schalafi, 04 avril 2012 - 03:49 .

[CuriousArtemis]

schalafi wrote...

esper, was Kerin's body model the same as Hawke's? He looked less muscular to me, but I could be wrong because I"ve only played fem Hawkes, so I never saw the male body model except in the videos on utube.

Yep, pretty sure he has the standard human male body.

It's not just Anders that has a "small" male body; certain outfits vary in size.  Warrior male Hawke's post-Lothering (beginning of Act 1) outfit has very small arms, for instance.  The Dalish rogue outfit you can buy on Sundermount also has tiny arms.  But put your rogue in leather armor, and BOOM!!!  Massive arms lol

I put Anders in the Warden outfit and he looks amazing.  I also like to imagine him b;tching about wearing Warden colors, mwahahaha xD

Modifié par motomotogirl, 04 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[schalafi]

esper wrote...

Cantina wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that
there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for
Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the
male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not
interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to
ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this
happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real
life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games.
Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at
appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the
boots and weapons, would help a lot !

I agree with you hun, how they handled the romances in
Dragon Age 2 was shameful.

Honestly, I see no damn reason why the male romance got more
than the female romance; in a sense, I would call that sexist. It pissed me off
when I found out the male Anders romance got more dialogue then the female romance.

I do not mind the difference in how things are said in that dialogue depending on the sex, but I do in some ways
find it offensive that the female Hawke never knows about Anders and Karl. If
you look at the female and male romance it is like Anders is two different people,
(well he is but you know what I mean).

I wish it were played out to getting to know the person
instead of the obvious. The romance plays out as if
you were fishing for desperation in a bar somewhere. If you are going to chose
to be with someone forever, it needs passion and intimacy. Having two people,
lay on the bed fully clothed and kissing is not passion, especially for two
people wanting each other for three years.

esper wrote...

Because Anders body model is not the standard male model and they didn't have resources to make it naked too. (The reason fenris didn't get one either).

I have no idea if you believe that line, but since Bioware
made that statement, I like to say this to them, bullsh*t!

All there saying is they made Anders as sloppy and fast as possible.
Then when it came time for the romance scenes, they realized they screwed up
and could not go back-because they wanted to shove the game out as fast as possible.

IF the game was given at least another year of development, I bet my carton of
smokes we fans would have had the romance scenes we been wanting, especially with
Anders.

Bioware can try to shove me as much crap, as they want, I
certainly am not falling for it. Does it ****** me off how the Anders romance
played out? Damn right it does.

I do very much believe that line and that does not show that they made Anders sloppy of fast, but that they only had one male human model beside his and the realized that that human model was too muscular compared to and mage, who live in the sewer, proberly doesn't eat prober and shouldn't have those overlarge two handed warrior muscles that standard male Hawke has. Every naked human male figure have that. Reusing of models is a problem in all of da2, which we all know is there and know is bad.

Yes, I noticed that Carver's arms were smaller looking in the warden's armor; they were huge in the prologue. So if there was only one human male model in the game, I'ts too bad we didn't have the opportunity to change armors, or remove armors down to small clothes, like in Origins. I hope they bring that back in DA3!

[LolaLei]

I found the bedroom scenes in DA2 to be very lackluster. I dunno if thats down to lazy writing/design or not but it seemed such a waste that Hawke had a whole house to "play" in but was restricted to the bedroom with every single LI. I could see a character like Merrill being more inclined to have sex somewhere safe like in the bedroom because she's shy/innocent and I expect Hawke would want her to feel at ease, but companions like Isabela or Fenris strike me as the type to just go for it where they stand, in the heat of the moment. Ideally I would have liked each individual LI to have vastly different romance scene.

It would have been interesting if Hawke's class to come into play, for example if he/she was a mage then perhaps magic could have been used to pull the LI close or if Hawke was a rogue then he/she would use a knife to rip open the LI's clothes... Just those extra touches to make the scene that little bit special and individual to the players experience. something that adds to the replayability of the game.

Modifié par LolaLei, 04 avril 2012 - 11:47 .

[Cantina]

esper wrote...

Cantina wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that
there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for
Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the
male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not
interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to
ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this
happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real
life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games.
Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at
appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the
boots and weapons, would help a lot !

I agree with you hun, how they handled the romances in
Dragon Age 2 was shameful.

Honestly, I see no damn reason why the male romance got more
than the female romance; in a sense, I would call that sexist. It pissed me off
when I found out the male Anders romance got more dialogue then the female romance.

I do not mind the difference in how things are said in that dialogue depending on the sex, but I do in some ways
find it offensive that the female Hawke never knows about Anders and Karl. If
you look at the female and male romance it is like Anders is two different people,
(well he is but you know what I mean).

I wish it were played out to getting to know the person
instead of the obvious. The romance plays out as if
you were fishing for desperation in a bar somewhere. If you are going to chose
to be with someone forever, it needs passion and intimacy. Having two people,
lay on the bed fully clothed and kissing is not passion, especially for two
people wanting each other for three years.

esper wrote...

Because Anders body model is not the standard male model and they didn't have resources to make it naked too. (The reason fenris didn't get one either).

I have no idea if you believe that line, but since Bioware
made that statement, I like to say this to them, bullsh*t!

All there saying is they made Anders as sloppy and fast as possible.
Then when it came time for the romance scenes, they realized they screwed up
and could not go back-because they wanted to shove the game out as fast as possible.

IF the game was given at least another year of development, I bet my carton of
smokes we fans would have had the romance scenes we been wanting, especially with
Anders.

Bioware can try to shove me as much crap, as they want, I
certainly am not falling for it. Does it ****** me off how the Anders romance
played out? Damn right it does.

I do very much believe that line and that does not show that they made Anders sloppy of fast, but that they only had one male human model beside his and the realized that that human model was too muscular compared to and mage, who live in the sewer, proberly doesn't eat prober and shouldn't have those overlarge two handed warrior muscles that standard male Hawke has. Every naked human male figure have that. Reusing of models is a problem in all of da2, which we all know is there and know is bad.

<shakes head> Missing what I am saying, probably
should have explained more.

According to all I read, the reason the clothing is
practically glued on the characters in the game is due to how they designed the
characters. Anders for example was designed clothed first not body first. So if
you remove his clothing (according to modders) over half his body would be invisible.
If this is true, then yes I stand by my statement. I will assume this is true
since it would make sense as to why they could not do Anders unclothed and the
excuse for Feneris.

I get why Anders is shaped they way he is, would not make
sense to give a poor refugee mage a body like a wrestler. My problem is in how
the design steps were handled.

Any rate I realized something while playing through Origins
to Dragon Age 2. Funny how they can show the Broodmothers nipples and all, yet
when it comes to romance scenes it plays out like an Amish courtship. (And no
offense to the Amish).

[LolaLei]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Saw that clip too.

I just keep feeling that the whole act 3 had to be done in such a short period of time that the romance part of DA2 was reduced to 0.

In your case you romanced Anders, who will destroy the chantry no matter if you are in a relation with him or not. Depending on if you rivalmanced him or had a friendship romance you would have some different dialogue in the game when it goes up to the climax of act 3 but there was no other additional dialogue.

It was just so inpersonal I think. If you come to the house he's there in the same spot or he is not and in Dark town or whatever. No info.No interaction other than quest related stuff. A missed oppertunity to wrap up the relationship up untill the end of the game.

That whole destroy the Chantry scene was a bit odd imo, especially if Ander's was your LI and you choose to kill him, Hawke just walks over, stabs him in the back and is like "ok gang, lets go kick some arse!" Where was the emotion? Hawke just killed his/her love of 7+ years and doesn't even seem particularly bothered... There should have at least been some sort of emotional scene between them before Hawke plunged the knife in. Alternatively there should have been a longer, more touching scene between them if Hawke spares him and keeps him in the fight or lets him run away.

Modifié par LolaLei, 05 avril 2012 - 01:01 .

[meanieweenie]

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That whole destroy the Chantry scene was a bit odd imo, especially if Ander's was your LI and you choose to kill him, Hawke just walks over, stabs him in the back and is like "ok gang, lets go kick some arse!" Where was the emotion? Hawke just killed his/her love of 7+ years and doesn't even seem particularly bothered... There should have at least been some sort of emotional scene between them before Hawke plunged the knife in. Alternatively there should have been a longer, more touching scene between them if Hawke spares him and keeps him in the fight or lets him run away.

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This is exactly how I felt about it.

[Cantina]

LolaLei wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Saw that clip too.

I just keep feeling that the whole act 3 had to be done in such a short period of time that the romance part of DA2 was reduced to 0.

In your case you romanced Anders, who will destroy the chantry no matter if you are in a relation with him or not. Depending on if you rivalmanced him or had a friendship romance you would have some different dialogue in the game when it goes up to the climax of act 3 but there was no other additional dialogue.

It was just so inpersonal I think. If you come to the house he's there in the same spot or he is not and in Dark town or whatever. No info.No interaction other than quest related stuff. A missed oppertunity to wrap up the relationship up untill the end of the game.

That whole destroy the Chantry scene was a bit odd imo, especially if Ander's was your LI and you choose to kill him, Hawke just walks over, stabs him in the back and is like "ok gang, lets go kick some arse!" Where was the emotion? Hawke just killed his/her love of 7+ years and doesn't even seem particularly bothered... There should have at least been some sort of emotional scene between them before Hawke plunged the knife in. Alternatively there should have been a longer, more touching scene between them if Hawke spares him and keeps him in the fight or lets him run away.

I for one will never experience killing Anders, because I
never will let that happen in my game. But I have seen this on Youtube and yes,
I agree.

To put it bluntly how they handled the romance with Anders,
is just a huge clustered mess. Someone a while back tried to make an argument (a
poor one at that) that excluding the last kiss with Anders on the mage side
does make sense after what he did. Uh, no sorry, wrong answer, please try
again. IF you are willing to forgive him and runaway with him there is no
reason not to get a final kiss from him before the battle.

I expected the romance between Anders, especially the final dialogue
bits to be more emotional. Here is a person who according to Helper is bipolar
and she says, he feels everything in a big way, so if you are romancing him his
love is huge. So why then does Anders fate dialogue and the mage side dialogue come
across so damn flat and very little emotion.

I assumed by Act 3 considering you have been with Anders for
over 3 years now, the romance would have more intense and emotional. Sadly, it
was not. Being a huge Anders fan and finally getting the chance to romance him,
I will say I feel disappointed and cheated on how the romance folded out
compared to how it was handled with Alistair.

[esper]

schalafi wrote...

esper wrote...

Cantina wrote...

schalafi wrote...

I agree with you, cowoline, players who romanced Anders got cheated, and I am wondering why too.
The fully clothed love scene on the bed was ridiculous,the excuse that
there weren't enough resources is phony. If there were resources for
Merill and not Anders that doesn't make sense, unless once again the
male pc is favored over the female pc.I think Bioware is just not
interested in making really good romances in their games, and seem to
ignore what their game owners are asking for.

I know it won't happen, but I'd sure like one of the Devs to explain to us why this
happens in every game. Haven't any of them ever had a romance in real
life, and if so, I hope it wasn't as lame as the ones in their games.
Just a little fine tuning of the romances, a few more hugs and kisses at
appropriate times, and no more bed scenes fully clothed, down to the
boots and weapons, would help a lot !

I agree with you hun, how they handled the romances in
Dragon Age 2 was shameful.

Honestly, I see no damn reason why the male romance got more
than the female romance; in a sense, I would call that sexist. It pissed me off
when I found out the male Anders romance got more dialogue then the female romance.

I do not mind the difference in how things are said in that dialogue depending on the sex, but I do in some ways
find it offensive that the female Hawke never knows about Anders and Karl. If
you look at the female and male romance it is like Anders is two different people,
(well he is but you know what I mean).

I wish it were played out to getting to know the person
instead of the obvious. The romance plays out as if
you were fishing for desperation in a bar somewhere. If you are going to chose
to be with someone forever, it needs passion and intimacy. Having two people,
lay on the bed fully clothed and kissing is not passion, especially for two
people wanting each other for three years.

esper wrote...

Because Anders body model is not the standard male model and they didn't have resources to make it naked too. (The reason fenris didn't get one either).

I have no idea if you believe that line, but since Bioware
made that statement, I like to say this to them, bullsh*t!

All there saying is they made Anders as sloppy and fast as possible.
Then when it came time for the romance scenes, they realized they screwed up
and could not go back-because they wanted to shove the game out as fast as possible.

IF the game was given at least another year of development, I bet my carton of
smokes we fans would have had the romance scenes we been wanting, especially with
Anders.

Bioware can try to shove me as much crap, as they want, I
certainly am not falling for it. Does it ****** me off how the Anders romance
played out? Damn right it does.

I do very much believe that line and that does not show that they made Anders sloppy of fast, but that they only had one male human model beside his and the realized that that human model was too muscular compared to and mage, who live in the sewer, proberly doesn't eat prober and shouldn't have those overlarge two handed warrior muscles that standard male Hawke has. Every naked human male figure have that. Reusing of models is a problem in all of da2, which we all know is there and know is bad.

Yes, I noticed that Carver's arms were smaller looking in the warden's armor; they were huge in the prologue. So if there was only one human male model in the game, I'ts too bad we didn't have the opportunity to change armors, or remove armors down to small clothes, like in Origins. I hope they bring that back in DA3!

No, in origin there was only one model of each race too, except for Morrigan who only had her special breast in her special dress. Which is why I hope not to get party cositmazation at least visually in da3. If you notice Zevran doesn't have the tattos he claims to have in his love scene.

Which brings me to what I want to see in da3 in regard to love scenes. A mix of me3 and me1 with the individuality of da2. Yes it is hard and costy to make, but that is what I wish.

Edit: Catina, romances rarely grows more intense, more personal perhaps, but on the intense/passaionate scale the usually settle down into something normal. And I for once I glad that there wasn't the whole touchy feeling after sparing Anders. He had no reason to assume he was that quickly forgiven and honestle my Hawke was mad at him for thinking that she would even consider killing him and her thought was on the mages who she needed to save.
I think being too touchy and feeling would be too jarring for those who had not forgiven him, was still mad and shocked. Which is a lot of the Anders romancers...

Modifié par esper, 05 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[caradoc2000]

Cantina wrote...

showing the backs of the character heads while
kissing is not romantic.

These are called headshots - instakilling a romance.

[nightscrawl]

hussey 92 wrote...

edit: actually now that I think about it, female Hawkes had more romance options (Sebastian)

Well... sort of... it's not really a full romance like the others, and too it's DLC, so not even all female Hawke plays will have the option if the DLC isn't enabled.

[katiebour]

No, in origin there was only one model of each race too, except for Morrigan who only had her special breast in her special dress. Which is why I hope not to get party cositmazation at least visually in da3. If you notice Zevran doesn't have the tattos he claims to have in his love scene.

Which brings me to what I want to see in da3 in regard to love scenes. A mix of me3 and me1 with the individuality of da2. Yes it is hard and costy to make, but that is what I wish.

Edit: Catina, romances rarely grows more intense, more personal perhaps, but on the intense/passaionate scale the usually settle down into something normal. And I for once I glad that there wasn't the whole touchy feeling after sparing Anders. He had no reason to assume he was that quickly forgiven and honestle my Hawke was mad at him for thinking that she would even consider killing him and her thought was on the mages who she needed to save.
I think being too touchy and feeling would be too jarring for those who had not forgiven him, was still mad and shocked. Which is a lot of the Anders romancers...

Well the Tranquil were supposed to have the sun tattoo on their foreheads and the Qunari were all supposed to be horned in DA:O in addition to Zev's tattoos- they just didn't have the time?/money?/ability? to do it.  By the time DA3 comes out, they should be able to customize properly.  Whether they will be willing to do so is another matter entirely.

As much as many of the fans love a variety of models, it doesn't make much economic sense to devote a ton of money to something you'll only see for 30 seconds in game, i.e. an unclothed model during a love scene.  The devs and writers probably focus more on story.  Add to that the kind of flak companies get for putting any kind of sex/nudity in and it becomes an even worse option.

That being said, with the DA:O toolset, PC users DID create custom meshes that could be installed, up to and including body hair, breasts of different sizes, and male bits, along with nicer skin textures.  There's even a mod to transform the DA:O elves into the DA2 style (and Zev looks so damn good as compared to his actual in-game DA2 model!):




It's not a solution for the console gamers, but for PC users a toolset gives us everything we need to make the kind of content we want.