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[Allattar1]

As everyone else says above.

I personally wanted the good choice.

So after some investigation I found that Bhelen is more progressive and forward thinking, but ruthless.

Harrowmont is more conservative, and honourable. I wanted to promote a more forward thinking King, but that one was not the good choice as it where. Harrowmont got my vote.



Interesting outcome.

Next playthrough I will stand for Bhelen see what happens.

[AXidenT Gamer]

Still can't decide... What would Sandal do...

[ValentineHeart82]

Taleroth wrote...

Harrowmont is good. He's a weak king, but a good man.

You mean that believing that the Castless have no right to exist and that they have no right to even be born is good? Viewing non-dwarves as "lesser races" is good? Sealing off trade with the outside and making surface raids for Elven and Human slaves to sacrifice to the golem forge is "good".

This is the perfect example of going with your gut and not really digging any deeper.

[DarkSpiral]

Sandal would do ENCHANTMENT.



Sage advice.

[DarkSpiral]

ValentineHeart82 wrote...

Sealing off trade with the outside and making surface raids for Elven and Human slaves to sacrifice to the golem forge is "good".

This is the perfect example of going with your gut and not really digging any deeper.

Whoa, WHAT!?  Harrowmont does that if you give him the Forge?  It actually SAYS that in teh endings?  Are you serious, or just assuming he does that?

[DarkSpiral]

Sorry, double post.

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 02 décembre 2009 - 09:45 .

[Roxlimn]

It says it. Branka browbeats him because he's too weak-willed to resist. I went with my gut and chose Bhelen. He was obviously the more powerful choice, and kings need power before they need compassion. Having both is great, but an imcompetent king is worse than a marginally immoral one.

[Original182]

DarkSpiral wrote...

ValentineHeart82 wrote...

Sealing off trade with the outside and making surface raids for Elven and Human slaves to sacrifice to the golem forge is "good".

This is the perfect example of going with your gut and not really digging any deeper.

Whoa, WHAT!?  Harrowmont actually does that?  Are you serious?  It actually says that in the text of the endings, that Pyral Harrowmont makes raids on the surface for human and elven slave to turn into golems?  Or are you just inferring this?

I remember that part of the epilogue. The Forge was re-created and golems were being created again, but I don't remember it specifically saying that Harrowmont ordered it. Just that it happened during his reign.
Edit: In my game I chose Caladin (and for the Forge to be destroyed). The person posting above me chose Branka I think. But in either scenario, the Forge is re-used.

Modifié par Original182, 02 décembre 2009 - 09:52 .

[DarkSpiral]

Be damned. I knew I killed that insane woman for a good reason. Duran (my noble dwarf) was actually impressed with how Bhelen handled the situation in the Origin story, but Branka FED HER WHOLE HOUSE to the darkspawn. Our ancient, hated foes. Oh hell no.

[AXidenT Gamer]

So... Does anyone know if you can still look around the arena of the Proving without siding with Harrowmont?

[Roxlimn]

Yes. You can even fight and win.

[AXidenT Gamer]

Hmm, I suppose that makes Bhelen a bit more of an attractive option...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Harrowmonts "problem" is that he won't go as far as Bhelen. Both Bhelen and Harrowmont have olpposition in Assembly when selected as king.

While Harrowmont respect the Assembly, and thus has trouble pasing laws and truly making changes, Bhelen will kill and blackmail and later dissolve the assembly to take total power.

That doesn't mean Harrowmont is a less capable leader.



That said, altough countries can prosper under tyrants (booming economy), it is seldom a good place to live. Under a benevolent dictator, maybe. But Bhelen is not benevolent.



My human noble sided with Harrmoont, and so will my dwarven noble (obvious choice, especially because of the ending).

My elven mage and daelish elf might choose differently. We'll see.

[Roxlimn]

If he can't rule effectively given the systems he has to use, then he IS a less capable leader. That's kind of what it means.

[Original182]

How can anyone support a nation with murder as it's foundation?

[Rainen89]

I dunno, Europe did pretty well with it though.

[interesting03]

Harrowmont with the anvil is the neo-tory ultra-conservative choice, Harrowmont without the anvil is the weak-conservative choice. Bhelen with the anvil is the tyranical choice and Bhelen without the anvil is the progressive dictator choice.



They're all rather bad.....You should support Bhelen though, Harrowmont has a weird nose and big ears, that doesn't make for good king material.

[Rainen89]

I dunno bhelen at least tried to stop Branka, he failed miserably but he at least tried. Harrowmont just wanted more and more troops and risked open war for more golems with his raids.

[AXidenT Gamer]

He seems kind of like Julius Caesar...



Lots of famous leaders go into their place of power like this. I suppose it's better than having another Cailan...

[Nomcookie]

I agree that they're both bad, just in different ways. I just don't like Bhelen's methods and motives… So I voted for Harrowmont. My character (and by extension, I) saw no reason to force reform in the Dwarven kingdom. Forcing "liberation" on the people of another nation is something a certain country excels at, and not something I agree with.

[Ulicus]

Rainen89 wrote...

On the subject of dwarf noble origin (fav origin btw.) I would HOPE you know that you didn't kill him. Which is why it was so annoying to see conversation options of how I deserve this and how I should pay for my crimes.

But you can kill him.

Those conversation options don't annoy me in the slightest. Lord Baldur Aeducan (my noble, obviously) killed Prince Trian Aeducan and conspired with his brother Bhelan to take his place as heir.  The problem is that Baldur, though an invincible warrior, isn't too bright... and he made the mistake of thinking that Bhelan would only want one brother out of the picture.

Oops!

[Rainen89]

Ah I was unaware that you could actually go through with it, I figured the option would simply let Bhelen beat you to the punch. Oh well, the dialogue of siding with Bhelen for king after he betrayed you is beyond epic.

[AXidenT Gamer]

Nomcookie wrote...

I agree that they're both bad, just in different ways. I just don't like Bhelen's methods and motives… So I voted for Harrowmont. My character (and by extension, I) saw no reason to force reform in the Dwarven kingdom. Forcing "liberation" on the people of another nation is something a certain country excels at, and not something I agree with.

Bhelen's motives were good weren't they? It was just his methods which were questionable...

[Zem_]

I think it's fairly uninteresting to play a game like this and do things the way *I* would do them.



I figure my warden is there to stop the Blight by getting the dwarves into the game topside. While it doesn't actually matter in game terms which side you pick, you might ask yourself which one would make a stronger ruler in the short term. Bhelen has shown himself to be a master manipulator, which should come in handy getting the assembly off their butts and onto the warpath just as soon as he's declared king. What kind of king will he make long term? What do you care? If everybody lives long enough to HAVE long-term problems there better be a statue of you somewhere, because you saved the world

[Rainen89]

I wonder if anyone tried to use the technicality of dwarves leaving for the surface if when they did return they were all immediately casteless. That and/or former casteless dwarves tried to sneak in.