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[Tazzmission]

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

kbct wrote...

I don't buy it. Why would BioWare troll its fan base? Why let sales suffer in the short-run with negative reviews and negative word of mouth? Isn't the fiscal year-end in a couple days?

think of it like this

bioware ships game with incomplete ending

fans rage and return game

bioware releases dlc

fans go out and rebuy a new copy in order to acess the multiplayer

to those who did there games back imo shouldve wated until the dlc was announced because now those same fans have to re purchase the title they just sold

The goal is to maximize sales. People will be annoyed (as I'm sure there are even people in this thread that are annoyed). You don't maximize sales by trolling the customers. Do you think this tactic is a net-positive for sales? Not from the evidence I've seen. It would be a major gambit on BioWare's part. Why would BioWare roll the dice?

despite how dao2 was critisized the mass effect series has given bioware that chance to take a big risk

who knows i may be 100% wrong but taking a risk is nothing new

microsoft trolls its customers if you want to bring up the whole rrod argument

i cant even begin to tell you how many i went through

[Mylia Stenetch]

Il Divo wrote...
That's really the issue. Halo 2's ending was kinda cruddy, but there was always the implied promise "Hey, we're not done yet", so we got to see how the story came together. As much as Bioware is saying this was always planned, Ray's statement he released a few days ago indicates more than anything that this is in direct response to criticism released by the fans.

Political spin is always a fine thing to work with. With the day 1 DLC, I knew that there would be more DLC in the future and quickly. If they did fall behind schedule it is an easy pitch to sell EA to finish what they want. A company will never come out and tell you the behind the secrets completly. This will drop hints, gives you apps with tidbits of info, and placate all the time about our questions. From what I have seen it is all marketing.

kbct wrote...

I don't buy it. Why would BioWare troll its fan base? Why let sales suffer in the short-run with negative reviews and negative word of mouth? Isn't the fiscal year-end in a couple days?

 

It is all about press....do you know how many games were put back, or refunded? Do we know total sales? No we don't (not meaning to offend with this statement). They are pushing out DLC for an ending/closure we want and will spin it as they care about us etc. This could rekindle's people's opinion of Bioware and bring new people in.

Hell with all the hate to IGN they could be in on it too since they are in EA's pocket.

[WhiteThunder]

OdanUrr wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

https://twitter.com/...769555774709761

Am I reading too much into this reply?

Yes.

On a related topic, didn't they say they'd release DLC next year? As in 2013?

It's gonna take em 8+ months to release a DLC? With EA? Nah, it's releasing tommorrow, more likely. 

Casey Hudson said, "throughout next year" here.

Throughout the next year.  That probably means over the next 12 months, not starting nine months from now.

[KingJason13]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Alexraptor1 wrote...

This better be free, or theres a new major ****storm on the horizon.

Valve is the only company who knows the meaning of the word 'free' anymore. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Don't leave out CDPR! They are about to release the Enhanced version of The Witcher 2... and I get all the content FREE just for already owning it!!!

[The Last Guardian]

If this was already planned, and it's not free, I can GARUNTEE you that the backlash with be 1000x stronger than it is now.

Seriously, purposly cutting the ending for making it future content is ****ing cheap as hell.

[Artemis_Entrari]

Far be it from me to defend BioWare's wording on things, but why do people keep reading "over the next year" wrong? It's not a typo. That's a perfectly acceptable way to phrase that DLC will be coming in 2012.

If someone says, "I'll give you a call over the next week", they don't mean you shouldn't expect a call from them until next week. They mean the call can come at any point from now until the end of the week.

If BioWare meant that DLC wouldn't be released until 2013, they would have said "next year" not "over the next year".  Subtle, yet very important, difference in the meaning of each.

Modifié par Artemis_Entrari, 28 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[kbct]

Tazzmission wrote...

kbct wrote...

The goal is to maximize sales. People will be annoyed (as I'm sure there are even people in this thread that are annoyed). You don't maximize sales by trolling the customers. Do you think this tactic is a net-positive for sales? Not from the evidence I've seen. It would be a major gambit on BioWare's part. Why would BioWare roll the dice?

despite how dao2 was critisized the mass effect series has given bioware that chance to take a big risk

Not only is it a big financial risk, it doesn't make sense from reading Ray's and Casey's statements. They were shocked by our reaction to the ending. Their tone was defensive. They never hinted there were new endings ahead.

Every Twitter I've read (which includes a few they removed) stated they were not changing the ending. That may change between now and PAX, but I think it's foolish to think they planned this from the beginning.

Modifié par kbct, 28 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[oblique9]

Modifié par oblique9, 28 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[I can Hackett]

Wait did they post something on Twitter and then take it down again?!

Modifié par I can Hackett, 28 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[oblique9]

The Last Guardian wrote...

If this was already planned, and it's not free, I can GARUNTEE you that the backlash with be 1000x stronger than it is now.

Seriously, purposly cutting the ending for making it future content is ****ing cheap as hell.

Tali's face.

[oblique9]

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

kbct wrote...

The goal is to maximize sales. People will be annoyed (as I'm sure there are even people in this thread that are annoyed). You don't maximize sales by trolling the customers. Do you think this tactic is a net-positive for sales? Not from the evidence I've seen. It would be a major gambit on BioWare's part. Why would BioWare roll the dice?

despite how dao2 was critisized the mass effect series has given bioware that chance to take a big risk

Not only is it a big financial risk, it doesn't make sense from reading Ray's and Casey's statements. They were shocked by our reaction to the ending. Their tone was defensive. They never hinted there were new endings ahead.

Every Twitter I've read (which includes a few they removed) stated they were not changing the ending. That may change between now and PAX, but I think it's foolish to think they planned this from the beginning.

Not sure why people think they were ever planning to 'change' the ending. What bioware employee/twitter account said that they were changing it?

[da mighty rEAper]

This is great! Im a bit emotionally crushed though because they could of tell this earlier..BIOWARE NOW IF THIS IS TRUE YOU NEED TO HOLD THE LINE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE PPL WHO WILL CRY ABOUT INCOMPLETE GAME AND THEIR MONEY$

[kbct]

I can Hackett wrote...

Wait did they post something on Twitter and then take it down again?!

Yes.

"I'm hearing rumours that ME3 ending is going to be changed..."
"Not changed, but we are creating new content to clarify and add closure. That's all."

[kbct]

oblique9 wrote...
Not sure why people think they were ever planning to 'change' the ending. What bioware employee/twitter account said that they were changing it?

I've only seen newspaper headlines say BioWare was changing the ending (which was misinterpreted from Ray's vague statement). All tweets suggest there will be no change, only clarification.

[I can Hackett]

hmm so we`ll be getting another response from Jessica Merizan again explaining that it wasnt an official response blah blah blah and also,,,,,,,,,........ am I getting this right you people will chip in $5, $10, $20 for freakin CUPCAKES but you wont spend it on DLC I dont get you people

Modifié par I can Hackett, 28 mars 2012 - 01:06 .

[oblique9]

Yea, twitter replaced with more of the same PR, always planned on having DLC.

Like earlier posters said, twitter is twitter - that is, rumor is rumor.

[oblique9]

kbct wrote...

oblique9 wrote...
Not sure why people think they were ever planning to 'change' the ending. What bioware employee/twitter account said that they were changing it?

I've only seen newspaper headlines say BioWare was changing the ending (which was misinterpreted from Ray's vague statement). All tweets suggest there will be no change, only clarification.

This.

Looks like every major news article on the internet hired writers that can't read.

[saturos2]

Chrillze wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

It has all the answears...

It doesn't. It's convinient, but most likely not true. Why? Because "it was all a dream" is one of the most hated stunts in fiction. As simple as that. Don't believe Bioware would use it.

The proof says otherwise

the mission on thessia says otherwise.

[kbct]

I can Hackett wrote...

Wait did they post something on Twitter and then take it down again?!

Also, this:

"Then there was the “twitter fiasco” where a Bioware employee accidentally posted, “At this time we have no plans to change the ending.” Obviously the forums exploded and the post was removed from both social media sites and a new message was put in its place."

Info from this thread. I didn't actually see the tweet:

http://social.biowar.../index/10084349

[I can Hackett]

kbct wrote...

I can Hackett wrote...

Wait did they post something on Twitter and then take it down again?!

Also, this:

"Then there was the “twitter fiasco” where a Bioware employee accidentally posted, “At this time we have no plans to change the ending.” Obviously the forums exploded and the post was removed from both social media sites and a new message was put in its place."

Info from this thread. I didn't actually see the tweet:

http://social.biowar.../index/10084349

yes this was the incident I was referring to, hence why I said "again"

[kbct]

oblique9 wrote...

kbct wrote...

oblique9 wrote...
Not sure why people think they were ever planning to 'change' the ending. What bioware employee/twitter account said that they were changing it?

I've only seen newspaper headlines say BioWare was changing the ending (which was misinterpreted from Ray's vague statement). All tweets suggest there will be no change, only clarification.

This.

Looks like every major news article on the internet hired writers that can't read.

I think that was the point of Ray's statement. Be vague. Allows the news sites to misinterpret. Good things can come from it - especially sales. After all, change can mean one more scene or it can mean a two hour DLC. Only if you look at the statement in conjunction with Twitter do you see the entire picture.

However, there is still a chance between now and PAX that BioWare decides to actually fix the ending instead of describing the god-child and colors in more detail.

[cuzsal]

chengthao wrote...

so they shipped out an incomplete game?

[d.nichols]

Bioware sold their soul to the dEAvil. This is silly though, if it is an incomplete game don't give them another penny. It's called willpower in the face of dishonest business practices. If it isn't... well, **** 'em.

[d.nichols]

Tazzmission wrote...

kbct wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

kbct wrote...

I don't buy it. Why would BioWare troll its fan base? Why let sales suffer in the short-run with negative reviews and negative word of mouth? Isn't the fiscal year-end in a couple days?

think of it like this

bioware ships game with incomplete ending

fans rage and return game

bioware releases dlc

fans go out and rebuy a new copy in order to acess the multiplayer

to those who did there games back imo shouldve wated until the dlc was announced because now those same fans have to re purchase the title they just sold

The goal is to maximize sales. People will be annoyed (as I'm sure there are even people in this thread that are annoyed). You don't maximize sales by trolling the customers. Do you think this tactic is a net-positive for sales? Not from the evidence I've seen. It would be a major gambit on BioWare's part. Why would BioWare roll the dice?

despite how dao2 was critisized the mass effect series has given bioware that chance to take a big risk

who knows i may be 100% wrong but taking a risk is nothing new

microsoft trolls its customers if you want to bring up the whole rrod argument

i cant even begin to tell you how many i went through

That wouldn't be a gambit. That would be suicide. That would be the all-time dumbest marketing strategy a company could ever pull. Even if what Tazmission proposed were to come into fruition (which it would actually lose revenue off of returned games), then that's just one product. it would kill their consumer trust and brand-name. That would be a stupid strategy. It's not a business tactic, it's idiotic. A risk would be trying to appeal to a larger-scale market at the cost of your long-standing, loyal core fan-base, which is a risk Bioware took. Being an **** would just lead to long-term lost revenues and, 99 out of 100 times, lost short-term revenues as well.

[BarrelDrago]

d.nichols wrote...

99 out of 100 times, lost short-term revenues as well.

Bioware : chalange accepted.