600 réponses à ce sujet

[Kendiara]

With the current situation ambiguous tweets/messages ect. just annoys the fan-base even more. Stop please just stop, either make a clear statement or stop addressing questions that make you have to delete things later because you've swept up the storm.

[SandTrout]

We'll see what happens at PAX.

If this was a plan, it was a really bad one.

[Taboo]

Aren19 wrote...

So no changes to completely change the ending, but to slightly change it? This DLC better be free, the whole galaxy deserves a better ending.

[leapingmonkeys]

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

[Bachi1230]

No one else bothered by "Oh we released an incomplete product so you buy DLC"? This is worse than having a bad ending. This is them purposely having an incomplete ending so they can sell more DLC to give it a really ending.

[Taboo]

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

If they don't fix this they lost their core fanbase which is guaranteed cash. Will they take the hit? I've been with them since Baldur's Gate. Can they afford to lose all of us?

[HenchxNarf]

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

[Tiax Rules All]

Bachi1230 wrote...

No one else bothered by "Oh we released an incomplete product so you buy DLC"?...........

First time on the forums?  this has been said many many many many many times before

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 28 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[Ashilana]

So, when they say they won't do anything helpful... they aren't actually saying that... it just seems like it. It makes sense if you accept that they just want more speculation for everyone! Even about their statements outside the game.

[Ashilana]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Bachi1230 wrote...

No one else bothered by "Oh we released an incomplete product so you buy DLC"?...........

First time on the forums?  this has been said many many many many many times before

Still doesn't it any less true... or any less annoying.

[Taboo]

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

It will finally convince me that corporations have no artistic credibility and are morally bankrupt. This is nasty and unethical. I can hardly believe that everyone at Bioware doesn't feel bad for isolating fifty thousand people. If they don't then the world can only get worse from here on.

[kilgorek]

prizm123 wrote...

the ending hasn't been released yet, why would they change it?

[Turtlicious]

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

This one finds your overtly offensive tone demeaning, and hope that The Narf will take some time to calm down. This one reccomends a break.

[Krushiev01]

Too much speculation for me... I give up.

*Grabs a beer and walks away*

[HenchxNarf]

Taboo-XX wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

It will finally convince me that corporations have no artistic credibility and are morally bankrupt. This is nasty and unethical. I can hardly believe that everyone at Bioware doesn't feel bad for isolating fifty thousand people. If they don't then the world can only get worse from here on.

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

[Taboo]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

It will finally convince me that corporations have no artistic credibility and are morally bankrupt. This is nasty and unethical. I can hardly believe that everyone at Bioware doesn't feel bad for isolating fifty thousand people. If they don't then the world can only get worse from here on.

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

If you only understood the implications of what you are saying. The logic is horrific is fills me with an urge to vomit. Truly, you have outclassed yourself. It's only fifty thousand people! We can simply blow that off! How utterly abherrent.

[LastFadingSmile]

RunAway ItzJack wrote...

I don't know what to think anymore, so I'm just going to focus on how much TIM looks like a slightly older Patrick Dempsey.

TIM is McDreamy!

[HenchxNarf]

Taboo-XX wrote...

If you only understood the implications of what you are saying. The logic is horrific is fills me with an urge to vomit. Truly, you have outclassed yourself. It's only fifty thousand people! We can simply blow that off! How utterly abherrent.

It appears that you cant have a normal conversation, therefore we're done here.

[Taboo]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

If you only understood the implications of what you are saying. The logic is horrific is fills me with an urge to vomit. Truly, you have outclassed yourself. It's only fifty thousand people! We can simply blow that off! How utterly abherrent.

It appears that you cant have a normal conversation, therefore we're done here.

Oh God, the far right thinking. ARRRRRGH.

I mean seriously. You can't defend your position when someone calls you out on it? Please stop being passive agressive, it doesn't make anyone sleep at night.

[Quietness]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

It will finally convince me that corporations have no artistic credibility and are morally bankrupt. This is nasty and unethical. I can hardly believe that everyone at Bioware doesn't feel bad for isolating fifty thousand people. If they don't then the world can only get worse from here on.

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

YAY FOR FLAWED LOGIC!

The Pro-Ending Facebook Group:
https://www.facebook...44005192318904/  - Current Member Total - 690

So using the horribly flawed logic you all cling to that means over 2 million people hate the ending.I mean they didnt voice their opinion but obviously facebook will tell us that since only 690 like it we're going to assume that everyone else hated it ... right? :happy:

[Taboo]

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

It will finally convince me that corporations have no artistic credibility and are morally bankrupt. This is nasty and unethical. I can hardly believe that everyone at Bioware doesn't feel bad for isolating fifty thousand people. If they don't then the world can only get worse from here on.

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

YAY FOR FLAWED LOGIC!

The Pro-Ending Facebook Group:
https://www.facebook...44005192318904/  - Current Member Total - 690

So using the horribly flawed logic you all cling to that means over 2 million people hate the ending.I mean they didnt voice their opinion but obviously facebook will tell us that since only 690 like it we're going to assume that everyone else hated it ... right? :happy:

He also isn't taking into account all the other people from all over the world. The fifty thousand are mostly from English speaking countries.

[Sesshaku]

http://i.minus.com/i4Ddguar9nelS.png

I made that pic with some of the tweets from Bioware.

[Raven4030-2]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

Very true, but let's do some number crunching here.

According to this, half of all people who bought ME2 have finished the game. Now, that is over the entire game's lifetime, but let's assume a similar rate for ME3 already. So, of the 2 million units sold, roughly 1 million have completed it (the true number is certainly lower, but let's just assume this for sake of argument).

Now, when Ms. Merizan was still posting she quoted the phenomenon in social networking where only 10% of the users actually contribute content, the other 90% stay silent. This isn't something she invented, this is a very real trend in social networking that has been documented. So, of the 1 million who completed the game, only 100,000 are going to say something.

Of that 100,000, over 50k are displeased with the ending. Suffice to say, the majority of the vocal fanbase is displeased with the endings. And this is based on several assumptions which actually inflated the number of people who finished the game.

Now, while I can't say the ratio among the silent majority is exactly the same for like:dislike on the endings, the fact that the majority of people who would provide word-of-mouth sales are saying "the ending sucked" certainly gives the fine folks at Bioware pause.

Take this information as you will.

Modifié par Raven4030-2, 28 mars 2012 - 03:14 .

[Quietness]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Quietness wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

YAY FOR FLAWED LOGIC!

The Pro-Ending Facebook Group:
https://www.facebook...44005192318904/  - Current Member Total - 690

So using the horribly flawed logic you all cling to that means over 2 million people hate the ending.I mean they didnt voice their opinion but obviously facebook will tell us that since only 690 like it we're going to assume that everyone else hated it ... right? :happy:

He also isn't taking into account all the other people from all over the world. The fifty thousand are mostly from English speaking countries.

chopping down the tree. and eh, why bother even adding in the non-english speakers no offense meant. But that is their pro-ending, and the only one on there, so thats it. All 700 of them that like the end.

[Tocquevillain]

Gigerstreak wrote...

It very much makes sense to do it this way. People will want the full ending. Say they do provide it for free. We can't complain TOO much if it is free. Now, however, if anyone buys a used copy they will have to fork over for the Bioware Network which is NOT cheap. Bioware makes a ton of money from all the resales, and has minimal backlash from fans after getting a TON of free publicity which includes a Troll that helped out little kids!

1. Used games don't make Bioware money.
2. 10 dollars on top of the used price is still less than the game new.