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[dfstone]

Its kinda obvious they planned this all along otherwise why would they send you back to right before you start the final mission when you beat the game?

[leapingmonkeys]

One thing is clear from all this - we will never know.

There are two primary possibilities:

a) Bioware released what they thought was a complete game with an ending that they thought was fantastic.

Bioware released the game without the real ending.

If (A) is true, then clearly they miscalculated. Now they have to figure out what they will do. I see basically two choices:

A1) They try to stick to what they released by putting out additional content to try to further rationalize their ending
A2) They try to create a new ending by figuring out what new ending should make the largest number of paying customers happy (which is to say, adopt some form of an ending that has been proposed by the customer base)

If ( is true, then I see two primary outcomes:

B1) Bioware has the "real" ending cued up and ready to go, as per their original plans
B2) Bioware will co-opt one of the endings being proposed by the customer base with the hope of reducing the current reaction to the released game

So, basically, if Bioware releases a new ending that matches some ending proposed by the customer base, we will never know if that was intended or not, and we will never know whether the ending was one that Bioware thought of or if it was part of a reactionary plan to try to cope with the current fiasco.

The only outcome that would be conclusive is if Bioware refuses to release any new content for ME3, or if they release content that only validates the current endings. Then we would know that Bioware considered the game to be complete in its current form and all the current theories about what was "real" were incorrect.

But even if Bioware does release content that provides a new ending, they will still not emerge entirely unscathed. A new ending release would mean that either they never intended to release a new ending, but had to in order to meet customer requirements, or they intentionally released the game in an incomplete form. The former means that one has to question their judgement going forward. The later means that they intentionally released an incomplete product without letting their paying customers know it was incomplete, which is probably even worse in terms of customer relationship.

[Quietness]

dfstone wrote...

Its kinda obvious they planned this all along otherwise why would they send you back to right before you start the final mission when you beat the game?

A game company that doesnt release the full game including an ending. Thats a dangerous precedent! (sorry, it was just there and easy, i couldnt pass it up)

[Malanek]

dfstone wrote...

Its kinda obvious they planned this all along otherwise why would they send you back to right before you start the final mission when you beat the game?

Because they just want to sell DLC that happens before the end of the game.

[HenchxNarf]

Malanek999 wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Its kinda obvious they planned this all along otherwise why would they send you back to right before you start the final mission when you beat the game?

Because they just want to sell DLC that happens before the end of the game.

They've had pre-ending DLC planned all along, it has nothing to do with the end of the game.

[Faceless Minion]

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

Any "Clarifying" of the ending IS changing the ending.
Don't be an idiot.

[Quietness]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Its kinda obvious they planned this all along otherwise why would they send you back to right before you start the final mission when you beat the game?

Because they just want to sell DLC that happens before the end of the game.

They've had pre-ending DLC planned all along, it has nothing to do with the end of the game.

CALLED IT! Have fun cherry picking your responses LOL:lol:

[DaosX]

I keep saying they got an expansion up their sleeves. I call it...and people can debate all they want. Knowing how greedy big corporations are, there will definitely be an expansion. They were initially planning on an expansion for DA2. Given the trend and the pseudo-ending, there will undoubtedly be an expansion.

[HenchxNarf]

Faceless Minion wrote...


Any "Clarifying" of the ending IS changing the ending.
Don't be an idiot.

Really? because clarifying the ending means they're going to explain the ending. Clarify what people weren't able to understand. Clarify =/= Change

[translationninja]

I feel so jerked around by this company...

[kilgorek]

DaosX wrote...

I keep saying they got an expansion up their sleeves. I call it...and people can debate all they want. Knowing how greedy big corporations are, there will definitely be an expansion. They were initially planning on an expansion for DA2. Given the trend and the pseudo-ending, there will undoubtedly be an expansion.

[MetalCargo999]

If they released the game without the actual ending and decided, pre-controversy, to sell the actual ending afterwards, then this is terrible news. That being said, I'd probably get it anyway so I can feel better. After watching it on Youtube to see if it's worth it, of course. No more instabuying from me!

But yea. After ME3 I'm quitting videogames if this is true.

[Malanek]

Faceless Minion wrote...
Any "Clarifying" of the ending IS changing the ending.
Don't be an idiot.

"Changing" could refer to actually altering the events that take place in the story or adding more content leaving existing events alone. It seems to me that when Bioware says they will not change the ending, they mean they will not alter events.

Modifié par Malanek999, 28 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[FemmeShep]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Faceless Minion wrote...


Any "Clarifying" of the ending IS changing the ending.
Don't be an idiot.

Really? because clarifying the ending means they're going to explain the ending. Clarify what people weren't able to understand. Clarify =/= Change

Oh, is this guy a big fan of the current ending!?

Couldn't tell....

[Quietness]

FemmeShep wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Faceless Minion wrote...


Any "Clarifying" of the ending IS changing the ending.
Don't be an idiot.

Really? because clarifying the ending means they're going to explain the ending. Clarify what people weren't able to understand. Clarify =/= Change

Oh, is this guy a big fan of the current ending!?

Couldn't tell....

Well obviously when you add anything including things that clarify an ending, you are not in anyway changing the ending. It will be the same as when you first played it, nothing is changed.... nooooothing.

[MetalCargo999]

Quietness wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Faceless Minion wrote...


Any "Clarifying" of the ending IS changing the ending.
Don't be an idiot.

Really? because clarifying the ending means they're going to explain the ending. Clarify what people weren't able to understand. Clarify =/= Change

Oh, is this guy a big fan of the current ending!?

Couldn't tell....

Well obviously when you add anything including things that clarify an ending, you are not in anyway changing the ending. It will be the same as when you first played it, nothing is changed.... nooooothing.

Really?  We are all possibly victims of a DLC business model designed to manipulate fans, and we're arguing semantics?

[CCTwiggett]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Yeah, they made a story for you to play. Not demand them change if you don't like it. if people dislike the ending, that's their thing, but they don't have the right to ask them to change it.

I would have to respectfully disagree with part of that statement. Paying customers absolutely have the right to ask for improvements and or changes that they feel are warranted. However, the producer of said product also absolutely has the right to decline to make any of those changes.

In the end Bioware will decide if there are enough dissatisfied customers to warrant creating additional "endings", which I personally feel is a bit of a misnomer as they have made repeated statements that they are not finished with the ME franchise, or not.

[jupitertronic]

Raven4030-2 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

Very true, but let's do some number crunching here.

According to this, half of all people who bought ME2 have finished the game. Now, that is over the entire game's lifetime, but let's assume a similar rate for ME3 already. So, of the 2 million units sold, roughly 1 million have completed it (the true number is certainly lower, but let's just assume this for sake of argument).

Now, when Ms. Merizan was still posting she quoted the phenomenon in social networking where only 10% of the users actually contribute content, the other 90% stay silent. This isn't something she invented, this is a very real trend in social networking that has been documented. So, of the 1 million who completed the game, only 100,000 are going to say something.

Of that 100,000, over 50k are displeased with the ending. Suffice to say, the majority of the vocal fanbase is displeased with the endings. And this is based on several assumptions which actually inflated the number of people who finished the game.

Now, while I can't say the ratio among the silent majority is exactly the same for like:dislike on the endings, the fact that the majority of people who would provide word-of-mouth sales are saying "the ending sucked" certainly gives the fine folks at Bioware pause.

Take this information as you will.

I agree with you, Raven. I tend to think most of the vocal fanbase dislike the ending, which would theoretically mean most word-of-mouth would be negative, which is not something a company wants.

Hopefully that gives us end-dislikers some power. :\\

[FS3D]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

It will finally convince me that corporations have no artistic credibility and are morally bankrupt. This is nasty and unethical. I can hardly believe that everyone at Bioware doesn't feel bad for isolating fifty thousand people. If they don't then the world can only get worse from here on.

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

And that makes what they did OK?

Have you read the US Constitution? This might not seem relevant, but I assure you, it is.

The core principle of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution is the protection of the individual over the demands of the majority. An example of this is the rights of ethnic minorities. No matter how many of the majority want to trample on the rights of the minority, they can't do it... Because the Constitution protects them.

Legally speaking, BioWare don't have to do a damned thing, and they might not necessarily lose too much money over this... But word gets around, and if they're prepared to shaft their customers, their PAYING customers, many of whom sunk a lot of money into the franchise... Then those people in the "minority" are never going to trust them again.

Legally they're fine.

Financially, they're probably going to be OK (although Raven makes a few good points there, too).

Morally, they're screwed. They lied to us and made promises that they never kept, and probably don't ever intend to properly honour.

Modifié par FS3D, 28 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Quietness]

FS3D wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

It's not going to work out the way YOU want it to. It's going to work out the way THEY want it to. You know.. the ones who created the story.

Actually, given that Bioware is a business and needs to sell product to paying customers to survive, it will either work out the way the paying customers want, or it will work out that Bioware has no business.  Witness Quicksilver and how they fought with their customer base over what would make a "good" Masters Of Orion 3.  The claimed the right to put whatever they wanted into the game, and the customers claimed the right to not give them any more money.

You vastly underestimate Bioware as a company. They don't have to do squat, and imho, I hope they don't. They already said they aren't changing the ending, only clarifying it. They can survive just fine.

It will finally convince me that corporations have no artistic credibility and are morally bankrupt. This is nasty and unethical. I can hardly believe that everyone at Bioware doesn't feel bad for isolating fifty thousand people. If they don't then the world can only get worse from here on.

Because 50k is a minority of the fanbase.

And that makes what they did OK?

Have you read the US Constitution? This might not seem relevant, but I assure you, it is.

The core principle of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution is the protection of the individual over the demands of the majority. An example of this is the rights of ethnic minorities. No matter how many of the majority want to trample on the rights of the minority, they can't do it... Because the Constitution protects them.

Legally speaking, BioWare don't have to do a damned thing, and they might not necessarily lose too much money over this... But word gets around, and if they're prepared to shaft their customers, their PAYING customers, many of whom sunk a lot of money into the franchise... Then those people in the "minority" are never going to trust them again.

Legally they're fine.

Financially, they're probably going to be OK (although Raven makes a few good points there, too).

Morally, they're screwed. They lied to us and made promises that they never kept, and probably don't ever intend to properly honour.

sorry too much logic was used, they are no longer here =/

[DarkSpider88]

I come in and read the post and I became overjoyed then found Chris's post and all that hope just vanished.

Chris are you still mad we aren't doing "Priestly's Porsche of Protest" campaign

[CavScout]

FS3D wrote...
And that makes what they did OK?

Have you read the US Constitution? This might not seem relevant, but I assure you, it is.

The core principle of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution is the protection of the individual over the demands of the majority. An example of this is the rights of ethnic minorities. No matter how many of the majority want to trample on the rights of the minority, they can't do it... Because the Constitution protects them.

Legally speaking, BioWare don't have to do a damned thing, and they might not necessarily lose too much money over this... But word gets around, and if they're prepared to shaft their customers, their PAYING customers, many of whom sunk a lot of money into the franchise... Then those people in the "minority" are never going to trust them again.

Legally they're fine.

Financially, they're probably going to be OK (although Raven makes a few good points there, too).

Morally, they're screwed. They lied to us and made promises that they never kept, and probably don't ever intend to properly honour.

LOL, what? Did you just invoke the US Constitution in a dispute over a video game's ending?

As for majority rules... maybe you forgot the whole slavery thing and how slaves were counted as partial people in the original Constitution.

[HenchxNarf]

CavScout wrote...

LOL, what? Did you just invoke the US Constitution in a dispute over a video game's ending?

As for majority rules... maybe you forgot the whole slavery thing and how slaves were counted as partial people in the original Constitution.

That they did, my friend. That they did.

[sydranark]

Chris Priestly wrote...

 People are reading the wrong thing into this. We have always had DLC plans for ME3. We said so long before launch. This is not news as ME and ME2 had DLCs.

This is not a comment about "endings" DLC, just DLC in general.

sooo, why is this topic still active?

[MetalCargo999]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

I come in and read the post and I became overjoyed then found Chris's post and all that hope just vanished.

Chris are you still mad we aren't doing "Priestly's Porsche of Protest" campaign

What did Chris post that got you disappointed? Did I miss something?