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[bti79]

Changing vs adding - let's see what they come up with.

I am convinced that Bioware could not at this point believe that fans will settle for less than a happy ending some way.

How to get there is more a technicality between change and add - what they need to achieve isn't at all unclear.

Ignoring it at this point would be dangerous - they would certainly lose out on the mid- to long tail, as loyal fans would not recommend it to second-movers.

I think it will all come together nicely when EA/Bioware concludes a business assessment of the situation at hand.

Modifié par bti79, 28 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Luiginius]

Oh the sales trend at this point will most probably follow da2, the damage is done.
I'd have a question to all IT people. How will you feel if what Bw announces next month has nothing to do with IT?

[puppy maclove]

Chris Priestly wrote...

 People are reading the wrong thing into this. We have always had DLC plans for ME3. We said so long before launch. This is not news as ME and ME2 had DLCs.

This is not a comment about "endings" DLC, just DLC in general.

With ME2, the DLC was fun-tastic (that's a word, you may use it)... LoTSB was the most awesome thing since Thundercats. It expanded the story, was fun to play and had emotional depth... but I wanted to play these DLC's to expand upon ME2 which I really enjoyed.

Problem is... & I hate to bring this up...... ME3's ending has just killed the Mass Effect series for me....

I tried to play start a new playthrough with ME1 and I just cant.... I just couldn't be bothered... whats the point... will I get a orange wave next time?  

So the issue is, why would I bother more filler DLC? 

... & please don't say to grow the LEGEND of THE SHEPARD. 

[SimonTheFrog]

They GOT to lose the kid.

If they do that and call it "adding" it's fine by me.

[Bfler]

So they will not change the current ending, they will add the real ending?

[Blackmind1]

I've been saying this for weeks, yet everybody just calls me a ****. The end of ME3 implied there was more Shepard to come, yet for some stupid and pessimistic reason, everybody assumed Omega. Not only this, but that Buzz Aldrin bit was put in due to a young fans request to extend the series just a little bit longer. Everybody pessimistically said Omega and DLC. Bioware have done ONE thing wrong in it's entire life span, DAII, and again, pessimistically, you all assume that they're dead in the water. Nobody even dare mention the ending sketch notes as proof they had nothing planned. "Speculation for everyone" just leaves everybody speculating, and there's no way in hell that the drawing/sketches were final designs. Any writer would get laughed out of the door if he presented that. Not to mention the fact that, if they had something big planned, they wouldn't tell us all about it in a £2 app.

I think you all need a larger dose of optimism. As of now, you're all the biggest downers I've ever seen, and I would not like to hang around with any of you in real life.

I'm calling an epansion pack. Ever since launch, Bioware have stated they've been listening, not talking. They've likely been taking all of the best ideas presented and putting them into a finale expansion that is geared towards what everybody wants. It would be the best way to give Shep a final bang of an exit, and everybody gets incredibly diverse endings.

Modifié par Blackmind1, 28 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[Hexley UK]

Blackmind1 wrote...

I've been saying this for weeks, yet everybody just calls me a ****. The end of ME3 implied there was more Shepard to come, yet for some stupid and pessimistic reason, everybody assumed Omega. Not only this, but that Buzz Aldrin bit was put in due to a young fans request to extend the series just a little bit longer. Everybody pessimistically said Omega and DLC. Bioware have done ONE thing wrong in it's entire life span, DAII, and again, pessimistically, you all assume that they're dead in the water. Nobody even dare mention the ending sketch notes as proof they had nothing planned. "Speculation for everyone" just leaves everybody speculating, and there's no way in hell that the drawing/sketches were final designs. Any writer would get laughed out of the door if he presented that.

I think you all need a larger dose of optimism. As of now, you're all the biggest downers I've ever seen, and I would not like to hang around with any of you in real life.

I think almost everyone would love for this to be true but its hard to keep faith when Bioware are literally saying nothing.

All we have to fuel us at the moment is our anger and disapointment at the atrocious ending as it stands.

I sincerely hope that Bioware do have something up their sleeves though i really do and im sure the mood of this place will change the instant they show us whats going on. (assuming it not bad news of course:))

[MaximizedAction]

Blackmind1 wrote...

I've been saying this for weeks, yet everybody just calls me a ****. The end of ME3 implied there was more Shepard to come, yet for some stupid and pessimistic reason, everybody assumed Omega. Not only this, but that Buzz Aldrin bit was put in due to a young fans request to extend the series just a little bit longer. Everybody pessimistically said Omega and DLC. Bioware have done ONE thing wrong in it's entire life span, DAII, and again, pessimistically, you all assume that they're dead in the water. Nobody even dare mention the ending sketch notes as proof they had nothing planned. "Speculation for everyone" just leaves everybody speculating, and there's no way in hell that the drawing/sketches were final designs. Any writer would get laughed out of the door if he presented that. Not to mention the fact that, if they had something big planned, they wouldn't tell us all about it in a £2 app.

I think you all need a larger dose of optimism. As of now, you're all the biggest downers I've ever seen, and I would not like to hang around with any of you in real life.

I'm calling an epansion pack. Ever since launch, Bioware have stated they've been listening, not talking. They've likely been taking all of the best ideas presented and putting them into a finale expansion that is geared towards what everybody wants. It would be the best way to give Shep a final bang of an exit, and everybody gets incredibly diverse endings.

^like, totally this.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Blackmind1 wrote...

I've been saying this for weeks, yet everybody just calls me a ****. The end of ME3 implied there was more Shepard to come, yet for some stupid and pessimistic reason, everybody assumed Omega. Not only this, but that Buzz Aldrin bit was put in due to a young fans request to extend the series just a little bit longer. Everybody pessimistically said Omega and DLC. Bioware have done ONE thing wrong in it's entire life span, DAII, and again, pessimistically, you all assume that they're dead in the water. Nobody even dare mention the ending sketch notes as proof they had nothing planned. "Speculation for everyone" just leaves everybody speculating, and there's no way in hell that the drawing/sketches were final designs. Any writer would get laughed out of the door if he presented that. Not to mention the fact that, if they had something big planned, they wouldn't tell us all about it in a £2 app.

I think you all need a larger dose of optimism. As of now, you're all the biggest downers I've ever seen, and I would not like to hang around with any of you in real life.

I'm calling an epansion pack. Ever since launch, Bioware have stated they've been listening, not talking. They've likely been taking all of the best ideas presented and putting them into a finale expansion that is geared towards what everybody wants. It would be the best way to give Shep a final bang of an exit, and everybody gets incredibly diverse endings.

You know if EA wasn't a malignant cancer with a proven track record of strangling everything it touches maybe people wouldn't be so cynical and pessimistic.

[eventhewaves]

Luiginius wrote...

Oh the sales trend at this point will most probably follow da2, the damage is done.
I'd have a question to all IT people. How will you feel if what Bw announces next month has nothing to do with IT?

So long as whatever they announce works, I'll basically be fine with it.  But it's got to work, and that's the tricky part.

Then again, I'm a little bit of an IT outlier.  I think it's solid literary analysis -- you know, looking at a source and then coming up with an interpretation to explain the problematic and/or ambiguous elements based solely on what's in the "text," regardless of what the Author might or might not intend; and I point out that in this case, the Author cried "speculation" and then ducked for cover -- but that it beggars belief BioWare could have actually wanted all of this to happen.

[MattFini]

Blackmind1 wrote...

I've been saying this for weeks, yet everybody just calls me a ****. The end of ME3 implied there was more Shepard to come, yet for some stupid and pessimistic reason, everybody assumed Omega. Not only this, but that Buzz Aldrin bit was put in due to a young fans request to extend the series just a little bit longer. Everybody pessimistically said Omega and DLC. Bioware have done ONE thing wrong in it's entire life span, DAII, and again, pessimistically, you all assume that they're dead in the water. Nobody even dare mention the ending sketch notes as proof they had nothing planned. "Speculation for everyone" just leaves everybody speculating, and there's no way in hell that the drawing/sketches were final designs. Any writer would get laughed out of the door if he presented that. Not to mention the fact that, if they had something big planned, they wouldn't tell us all about it in a £2 app.

I think you all need a larger dose of optimism. As of now, you're all the biggest downers I've ever seen, and I would not like to hang around with any of you in real life.

I'm calling an epansion pack. Ever since launch, Bioware have stated they've been listening, not talking. They've likely been taking all of the best ideas presented and putting them into a finale expansion that is geared towards what everybody wants. It would be the best way to give Shep a final bang of an exit, and everybody gets incredibly diverse endings.

Nice post, and one that I personally agree with.

I've done A LOT of ending bashing on here, and a part of me is scared that they really did just screw up and kill ME3 in one fascinating swoop, but the very end of the StarGazer scene ("...one more story...") does, to me, indicate that there is one more piece of the ME3 ending puzzle we've yet to see.  I don't know what the hell that scene would mean otherwise. 

Of course, I also think BW was caught completely by surprise when it came to the ending hatred, but I will personally be stunned if Bio announces:  "Yes, those are the endings.  That's it.  The end."

Modifié par MattFini, 28 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[ImmovableMover]

Well thats certainly a very cryptic tweet from whoever-runs-the-official-twitter. I notice that I can't find that tweet anymore, and purported links to that tweet don't take me anywhere but an error screen.

If they TRULY have been planning ending-DLC all along, before the release of the game, then they are dancing on a fault line and I cannot fathom WHY they would do that outside of purposefully going through an unnecessarily elaborate plot twist (in execution, not content)

It had better be free and it had better be ****ing amazing because nothing short of that will stop another ****storm like the one this DLC is meant to quell and even if they DO pull off the impossible and hand us all a free DLC ending which is everything everyone wanted people are still going to pissed at them for selling an incomplete game rather than just delaying a month and releasing it mid-april.

But it won't be free, because otherwise they would have just delayed.

Currently i'm treating this with the utmost skepticism. I don't believe this Tweet is intended to imply what it, unfortunately, does imply and if it DOES then I can't see any sense in their course of action.

Modifié par ImmovableMover, 28 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Luiginius wrote...

Oh the sales trend at this point will most probably follow da2, the damage is done.
I'd have a question to all IT people. How will you feel if what Bw announces next month has nothing to do with IT?

If the ending isn't added to in order to let Shepard go out with a bang, retire, etc., instead of a whimper like we were all led to believe pre-release l think the sales will most definitely follow DA2, and probably be worse. IT is interesting and I think it is a very likely scenario for them to use if they want to do it this way. It is an easy way out. The game is still salvagable at this point IF and only IF DLC deals with extending the ending or if an announcement is made that gives us a definitive statement that it does and that the DLC doesn't do it in a half-assed manner.

By half-assed I mean leaving everything as is and just adding a little post landing text or narration. If they do that it better be free. If they charge for it I'm not buying, I'll watch it on YOUTUBE.

If the DLC is going to be all pre-ending the game is tanked. I'm not buying. It doesn't make any sense to get that with the way the current ending resolves.

However, the PR has been absolutely horrible. You don't jerk your customer base around like this. We get one tweet that builds up some hope, followed by a denial the same day. I hope they enjoy Red Green and Blue.

[Dridengx]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
l think the sales will most definitely follow DA2, and probably be worse.

You can think all you want but there is a difference between the two.

DA2 put people off right off the bat with the
1) Art style and graphics
2) Recycled envirornments
3) Combat
4) No warden
5) no exploration or travelling just Kirkwall
6) no customization for NPCs

and many other reasons

ME3 has no problems at all and the vocal minority complain only how it ends, that's it. even the worst hater will tell you ME3 is a good game just his emotions over the ending is making him act and say stupid things.

ME3 sales are already better than the previous two. DA2 started off with worse sales than DA1 from day one if I recall. hardly ME3 following DA2 lol

Modifié par Dridengx, 28 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[hex23]

Dridengx wrote...

You can think all you want but there is a difference between the two.

DA2 put people off right off the bat with the
1) Art style and graphics
2) Recycled envirornments
3) Combat
4) No warden
5) no exploration or travelling just Kirkwall
6) no customization for NPCs

and many other reasons

ME3 has no problems at all and the vocal minority complain only how it ends, that's it. even the worst hater will tell you ME3 is a good game just his emotions over the ending is making him act and say stupid things.

ME3 sales are already better than the previous two. DA2 started off with worse sales than DA1 from day one if I recall. hardly ME3 following DA2 lol

"ME3" sales dropped 80% in the second week, the price is now $40 at some places and Origin/Amazon is offering refunds.

This is definitely following "DA2". The difference is people are holding out for PAX to see how Bioware handles this. If they fumble at PAX expect the downward spiral to continue.

[Taboo]

hex23 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

You can think all you want but there is a difference between the two.

DA2 put people off right off the bat with the
1) Art style and graphics
2) Recycled envirornments
3) Combat
4) No warden
5) no exploration or travelling just Kirkwall
6) no customization for NPCs

and many other reasons

ME3 has no problems at all and the vocal minority complain only how it ends, that's it. even the worst hater will tell you ME3 is a good game just his emotions over the ending is making him act and say stupid things.

ME3 sales are already better than the previous two. DA2 started off with worse sales than DA1 from day one if I recall. hardly ME3 following DA2 lol

"ME3" sales dropped 80% in the second week, the price is now $40 at some places and Origin/Amazon is offering refunds.

This is definitely following "DA2". The difference is people are holding out for PAX to see how Bioware handles this. If they fumble at PAX expect the downward spiral to continue.

[Sero303]

hex23 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

You can think all you want but there is a difference between the two.

DA2 put people off right off the bat with the
1) Art style and graphics
2) Recycled envirornments
3) Combat
4) No warden
5) no exploration or travelling just Kirkwall
6) no customization for NPCs

and many other reasons

ME3 has no problems at all and the vocal minority complain only how it ends, that's it. even the worst hater will tell you ME3 is a good game just his emotions over the ending is making him act and say stupid things.

ME3 sales are already better than the previous two. DA2 started off with worse sales than DA1 from day one if I recall. hardly ME3 following DA2 lol

"ME3" sales dropped 80% in the second week, the price is now $40 at some places and Origin/Amazon is offering refunds.

This is definitely following "DA2". The difference is people are holding out for PAX to see how Bioware handles this. If they fumble at PAX expect the downward spiral to continue.

Not sure how much truth there is to this or not, I just don't know. What I do know is the wife and I literally just about returned the game to gamestop once we both had beaten it. But we are still holding out hope for the franchise,...But my wife has been so disappointed with DA, we've agreed not to buy anymore Dragon Age nonsense, but again we are still holding out hope for Mass Effect.

[SkyCaptanio]

Using Indoctrination theory wouldn't change the ending. It would extend it. I have the feeling that Bioware have some super brilliant plan that will blow our minds.

Or you know the ending could have just sucked.... (But let's keep hopeful anyway!)

[Taboo]

SkyCaptanio wrote...

Using Indoctrination theory wouldn't change the ending. It would extend it. I have the feeling that Bioware have some super brilliant plan that will blow our minds.

Or you know the ending could have just sucked.... (But let's keep hopeful anyway!)

Hope is all we have left.

[Flextt]

Hudson stated any additional content to ME 3 will not take place after the ending.. hmm.. To be honest, the tweets at best contradict the executive producer of ME 3, at worst, tell us nothing.
Iam somehwere in between

[Fulgrim88]

Myrmedus wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

 People are reading the wrong thing into this. We have always had DLC plans for ME3. We said so long before launch. This is not news as ME and ME2 had DLCs.

This is not a comment about "endings" DLC, just DLC in general.

So someone asks about changing the ending, gets a "we planned something all along" as a direct response to the question. But it's not related to the ending.

Yeah, right...

Yeah, go ahead and question Chris, because he's totally guessing all of this based on that twitter message.
It's not like he's working at Bioware, in earshot and plain view of the people who are making this game.

No way in hell can his info be legit.<_<

Geez. Arguing with indoc folks feels like trying to make a friend stop adoring her abusive boyfriend.
Trying to reason for her sake, but even obvious facts being ignored...

He is right though.

The twitter comment was in response to a question about the endings which didn't even make a reference to DLCs in general. If that comment was about DLCs then it would be analagous with typical comedy sketches with old people who are slightly deaf:

"Hey, are you going to release an Ending DLC?"
"What, son? No, I'm not a fan of Uncharted 3 but I sure like that Lara Croft."

...the response has nothing to do with the question if it was indeed about DLCs in general.

I see were you're coming from here, but we have to look at it this way:

masseffect twitter is not a press conference with definite statements of any sorts.

For all we know it might just be an underpaid intern, who has to answer about 27562 questions about the ending each day.
Now to analyze a single one of his copy-paste responses that didn't quite fit the tone of the question asked, is major tinfoil-hat-material.

Even moreso when what little ambiguity there ever was is blown to pieces by Chris himself stating that we're reading too much into it.

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 28 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[MattFini]

Dridengx wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
l think the sales will most definitely follow DA2, and probably be worse.

You can think all you want but there is a difference between the two.

DA2 put people off right off the bat with the
1) Art style and graphics
2) Recycled envirornments
3) Combat
4) No warden
5) no exploration or travelling just Kirkwall
6) no customization for NPCs

and many other reasons

ME3 has no problems at all and the vocal minority complain only how it ends, that's it. 

It's cute that you want to keep the 'vocal minority' meme alive and kicking, but come on now.  

[ThunderSoul]

Chris Priestly wrote...

 People are reading the wrong thing into this. We have always had DLC plans for ME3. We said so long before launch. This is not news as ME and ME2 had DLCs.

This is not a comment about "endings" DLC, just DLC in general.

What possible DLC plans could you possible have that will make people interested in coming back after that horrible ending? Seriously, who'd want to play a DLC that happens BEFORE? I'd play one that happens AFTER. Guaranteed.

[Nicky 192]

ThunderSoul wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

 People are reading the wrong thing into this. We have always had DLC plans for ME3. We said so long before launch. This is not news as ME and ME2 had DLCs.

This is not a comment about "endings" DLC, just DLC in general.

What possible DLC plans could you possible have that will make people interested in coming back after that horrible ending? Seriously, who'd want to play a DLC that happens BEFORE? I'd play one that happens AFTER. Guaranteed.

I agree , as it stands right now  it kills the desire for any re-playability. My Husband bought it for me the first day it was  released  he's not into mass effect, but knew that i was. My copy is just sitting there. I feel so bad and ungrateful but it really feel's just so pointless to play through it again just to pick a different colour and get the same depressing ending.