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[Clumsy Astronaut]

Ah yes, I predict an imminent "End Of Line"

[Eebatsama]

Clumsy Astronaut wrote...

Ah yes, I predict an imminent "End Of Line"

So sad really, it isnt often that we can have philosophical conversations on the BSN.

[Clumsy Astronaut]

If only such a derailment was viewed as delving to the root of the problem, as opposed to being sidetracked from it.

[Eebatsama]

I'd argue it is, because the root of the issue is that people on BSN love jumping to conclusions like logic is going out of style.

[Clumsy Astronaut]

I find that on any forum where people care deeply about the subject material logic is often the first casualty, shortly followed by civility.

[XXIceColdXX]

What was in this thread that was deleted?

[Eebatsama]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

What was in this thread that was deleted?

same thing thats in this thread - another 4chan conspiracy.

[Clumsy Astronaut]

Way to ruin our musings!

[BloodClaw95]

Interesting...

[Exeider]

Eebatsama wrote...

I'd argue it is, because the root of the issue is that people on BSN love jumping to conclusions like logic is going out of style.

the thing is, is that if you read the thread, it actually makes alot of sense. going beyond ME3, alot of EA's games coming out lately have been mediocre at best, and developers who have been known to make good games, suddenly have a quality drop with no apparent reason for it.

I used to live in FL, out of Orlando where EA works, and the statements of EA treating its talent like slaves is an accurate comment. Many of my fellow game designers, graphic artists, and programmers WILL NOT work for EA because of all the horror stories we are hearing from down the road.

The messed up thing is, If this person was working in the marketing dept, I have probably met him and don't even know it.

-AE

[Exeider]

Clumsy Astronaut wrote...

I find that on any forum where people care deeply about the subject material logic is often the first casualty, shortly followed by civility.

"the first casualty of war is truth" - Senator Hiram Johnson - 1918

-AE

[Tekkez]

EA is dragging the video game market down, and taking decent developers with them.

At least Valve is strong... the only true developer left.

I wish so badly that Bioware didn't get involved with them. I've played games like Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights since my early teens.. and it's sad to see what is happening. They use to be my favorite developer, next to Blizzard.

Sigh..

[Eebatsama]

Exeider wrote...

Eebatsama wrote...

I'd argue it is, because the root of the issue is that people on BSN love jumping to conclusions like logic is going out of style.

the thing is, is that if you read the thread, it actually makes alot of sense. going beyond ME3, alot of EA's games coming out lately have been mediocre at best, and developers who have been known to make good games, suddenly have a quality drop with no apparent reason for it.

I used to live in FL, out of Orlando where EA works, and the statements of EA treating its talent like slaves is an accurate comment. Many of my fellow game designers, graphic artists, and programmers WILL NOT work for EA because of all the horror stories we are hearing from down the road.

The messed up thing is, If this person was working in the marketing dept, I have probably met him and don't even know it.

-AE

From what I hear of working in the game industry - no matter where you work you're probably going to be treated like crap.  But I think its kind of a huge disservice to ME3, BF3, Amalur and other pretty good EA sponsored games to suggest that EA is deliberately tanking their product.

Also this guy worked from home as a viral marketer, I doubt he's even from Orlando and is in a position to comment truthfully on what happens at the company.

[Clumsy Astronaut]

My first RPG was KOTOR, guess I missed out on the golden age though.

[selphiegirl]

I feel like I need to rock Fox Mulder as an avatar on here these days.
I do believe the whole EA outsourcing thing. Living in California and only a stones throw away from their base in Redwood City, it's always an economic s***storm when they lay people off and the whole "dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria" happens. Not sure if I believe the rest of this though.

[Clumsy Astronaut]

But anyways I retire to my chambers for much needed rest, will check back in the morn.

[Exeider]

Eebatsama wrote...

Exeider wrote...

Eebatsama wrote...

I'd argue it is, because the root of the issue is that people on BSN love jumping to conclusions like logic is going out of style.

the thing is, is that if you read the thread, it actually makes alot of sense. going beyond ME3, alot of EA's games coming out lately have been mediocre at best, and developers who have been known to make good games, suddenly have a quality drop with no apparent reason for it.

I used to live in FL, out of Orlando where EA works, and the statements of EA treating its talent like slaves is an accurate comment. Many of my fellow game designers, graphic artists, and programmers WILL NOT work for EA because of all the horror stories we are hearing from down the road.

The messed up thing is, If this person was working in the marketing dept, I have probably met him and don't even know it.

-AE

From what I hear of working in the game industry - no matter where you work you're probably going to be treated like crap.  But I think its kind of a huge disservice to ME3, BF3, Amalur and other pretty good EA sponsored games to suggest that EA is deliberately tanking their product.

Also this guy worked from home as a viral marketer, I doubt he's even from Orlando and is in a position to comment truthfully on what happens at the company.

Quite the contrary, i have been to several game studios, and a friend of
mine has been to Valve, and the working conditions there are excellent,
in fact he even said that the people there are a bit "spoiled".  In the
game companies I have been to, i saw the same thing.

For some reason there is no middle ground, when you go to a game company, you are eithered spoiled or slave-driven.

I would argue "knowingly" and "deliberately" being two different actions.  I think EA is knowingly putting out products they know are mediocre because they are factoring on volume as opposed to quality. But I don't think they do it deliberately.  It's a case of just not caring and just wanting money regardless of what, where and who it hurts. But what I was stating before is this attitude about mistreatment of your customer base, is systemic in not just the game industry, not just the entertainment industry, but American business as a whole.  American corporations are treating their customers as cash cows they can milk occasionally and not actually treat them with respect and/or quality of product.

I think its because its been such a long time since people voted with their money, and a long time since everyone has seen a mass demonstration of such a vote, that these corporations think that they will always find more customers so it doesnt matter.

-AE

Modifié par Exeider, 28 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[Eebatsama]

Exeider wrote...

Eebatsama wrote...

Exeider wrote...

Eebatsama wrote...

I'd argue it is, because the root of the issue is that people on BSN love jumping to conclusions like logic is going out of style.

Quite the contrary, i have been to several game studios, and a friend of mine has been to Valve, and the working conditions there are excellent, in fact he even said that the people there are a bit "spoiled" in the game companies I have been to, i saw the same thing.

For some reason there is no middle ground, when you go to a game company, you are eithered spoiled or slave-driven.

the thing is, is that if you read the thread, it actually makes alot of sense. going beyond ME3, alot of EA's games coming out lately have been mediocre at best, and developers who have been known to make good games, suddenly have a quality drop with no apparent reason for it.

I used to live in FL, out of Orlando where EA works, and the statements of EA treating its talent like slaves is an accurate comment. Many of my fellow game designers, graphic artists, and programmers WILL NOT work for EA because of all the horror stories we are hearing from down the road.

The messed up thing is, If this person was working in the marketing dept, I have probably met him and don't even know it.

-AE

From what I hear of working in the game industry - no matter where you work you're probably going to be treated like crap.  But I think its kind of a huge disservice to ME3, BF3, Amalur and other pretty good EA sponsored games to suggest that EA is deliberately tanking their product.

Also this guy worked from home as a viral marketer, I doubt he's even from Orlando and is in a position to comment truthfully on what happens at the company.

well, i would argue "knowingly" and "deliberately" being two different actions.  I think EA is knowingly putting out products they know are mediocre because they are factoring on volume as opposed to quality. But I don't think they do it deliberately.  It's a case of just not caring and just wanting money regardless of what, where and who it hurts. But what I was stating before is this attitude about mistreatment of your customer base, is systemic in not just the game industry, not just the entertainment industry, but American business as a whole.  American corporations are treating their customers as cash cows they can milk occasionally and not actually treat them with respect and/or quality of product.

I think its because its been such a long time since people voted with their money, and a long time since everyone has seen a mass demonstration of such a vote, that these corporations think that they will always find more customers so it doesnt matter.

-AE

The last time people voted with their money was not too long ago, with the crash of the american automobile industry.  American companies know that putting out mediocre products quickly isn't a sound business strategy - it ultimately isnt in EA's interest to shell out crappy products, and I don't really think they are.  You can't really blame EA if their products are completely stellar until the last 5 mins (like ME3); that's kind of an issue with story and design choices.  I dont think the ending would have been any better if Bioware had 3 more months to work on the game.

I think Activision is far more guilty of what you think is going on with EA.

[Saint Op]

Guys this is obviously a troll.
I mean come on EA has never done anything remooootely baaad.
These trolls are meeeerly trying to stop you from buying great games and DLC C C C FOr ME3.
EA is awesoooomhrfjegfhrjefvgchejw ....

[Exeider]

Eebatsama wrote...

Exeider wrote...

Eebatsama wrote...

Exeider wrote...

Eebatsama wrote...

I'd argue it is, because the root of the issue is that people on BSN love jumping to conclusions like logic is going out of style.

Quite the contrary, i have been to several game studios, and a friend of mine has been to Valve, and the working conditions there are excellent, in fact he even said that the people there are a bit "spoiled" in the game companies I have been to, i saw the same thing.

For some reason there is no middle ground, when you go to a game company, you are eithered spoiled or slave-driven.

the thing is, is that if you read the thread, it actually makes alot of sense. going beyond ME3, alot of EA's games coming out lately have been mediocre at best, and developers who have been known to make good games, suddenly have a quality drop with no apparent reason for it.

I used to live in FL, out of Orlando where EA works, and the statements of EA treating its talent like slaves is an accurate comment. Many of my fellow game designers, graphic artists, and programmers WILL NOT work for EA because of all the horror stories we are hearing from down the road.

The messed up thing is, If this person was working in the marketing dept, I have probably met him and don't even know it.

-AE

From what I hear of working in the game industry - no matter where you work you're probably going to be treated like crap.  But I think its kind of a huge disservice to ME3, BF3, Amalur and other pretty good EA sponsored games to suggest that EA is deliberately tanking their product.

Also this guy worked from home as a viral marketer, I doubt he's even from Orlando and is in a position to comment truthfully on what happens at the company.

well, i would argue "knowingly" and "deliberately" being two different actions.  I think EA is knowingly putting out products they know are mediocre because they are factoring on volume as opposed to quality. But I don't think they do it deliberately.  It's a case of just not caring and just wanting money regardless of what, where and who it hurts. But what I was stating before is this attitude about mistreatment of your customer base, is systemic in not just the game industry, not just the entertainment industry, but American business as a whole.  American corporations are treating their customers as cash cows they can milk occasionally and not actually treat them with respect and/or quality of product.

I think its because its been such a long time since people voted with their money, and a long time since everyone has seen a mass demonstration of such a vote, that these corporations think that they will always find more customers so it doesnt matter.

-AE

The last time people voted with their money was not too long ago, with the crash of the american automobile industry.  American companies know that putting out mediocre products quickly isn't a sound business strategy - it ultimately isnt in EA's interest to shell out crappy products, and I don't really think they are.  You can't really blame EA if their products are completely stellar until the last 5 mins (like ME3); that's kind of an issue with story and design choices.  I dont think the ending would have been any better if Bioware had 3 more months to work on the game.

I think Activision is far more guilty of what you think is going on with EA.

Of course it isnt sound business strategy, because a sustainable business strategy thinks about long terms gains as well as short. But I shouldn't have to tell you there has been a paradigm shift in the way companies have been operating, alot of these companies have been run into the ground because the leadership decides to run the company at top speed and into the red and generate as much profit in as short amount of time as possible, and then jump ship and let the next guy deal with the fall out. I cal it  "Day-trader" style management, and its destructive and goes to destructive ends.

Activision?, EA, did this suddenly become a measuring contest, it doesnt matter who engages in it more or less, the fact that ANY company engages in it on ANY level is just morally wrong. And the only reason it hasn't bitten them in the butt is because any megalithic corporation takes time for the waves of disruption to finnaly take them down. Activision on the other hand is smaller, so the effects are more pronounces and more immediate, thats why you would say its worse, but its not, its just as bad. Activision though doesn't have as much financial "cushion" to slow down the effects to a speed that people stop percieving them.

God I hope in a several years time, we don't have a bail out of the entertainment industry, and they cite "Too big to fail."

-AE

Modifié par Exeider, 28 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[Exeider]

Saint Op wrote...

Guys this is obviously a troll.
I mean come on EA has never done anything remooootely baaad.
These trolls are meeeerly trying to stop you from buying great games and DLC C C C FOr ME3.
EA is awesoooomhrfjegfhrjefvgchejw ....

Is harby assuming control???

[Eebatsama]

You can't simultaneously run a company into the red and generate massive profits - you can damage the reputation of your product while simultaneously scoring record profits but that's a completely different issue.

The entertainment industry can never be "too big to fail." The banks, and to a lesser degree the american car companies, were because they had a gigantic amount of Americans with their net worth tied into them.

The entertainment industry doesnt have that. If EA or Activision or 20th Century Fox go under it won't affect anyone but their employees - the consumers that use their product won't take a hit so its no big deal. So I think you can breathe easy for now

As for voting with your dollar - by all means don't buy these products: but if ME3 is an example of a "mediocre product" I'd give my left foot get my hands on a quality one.

[Saint Op]

was it..
The greatest trick the devil ever played was convinsing people that he didnt exist...

[Eebatsama]

Saint Op wrote...

was it..
The greatest trick the devil ever played was convinsing people that he didnt exist...

What I find so hilarious about that phrase is that the devil actually doesn't exist.

[darknessmyown]

If this is true, then it doesn't really come as a shock to anyone does it? This is EA we are talking about here.