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[Rogue Unit]

Miranda wins easily. A more fair fight would be Ashley vs. Jacob

[MisterJB]

Made Nightwing wrote...
Kai Leng is overrated.

No, he is not. N7, remember? And if that is not enough, just look at his feats.
Killed a krogan with a knife, killed an entire turian squad. Beat Shepard on Thessia, etc.

A dying assasin beats Kai Leng.

No, he didn't. Thane landed one good punch after which Kai Leng promptly killed him.

For the past three years, Ashley has been under the training of Anderson, the biggest badass in the Mass Effect universe.

First, Shepard is the biggest badass.
Second, Miranda spent the past 20 years working for Cerberus which had to include evading every law enforcement agency in the galaxy.

Come ME3, she's learned a great deal of battlefield awareness, as well as a variety of new skills.

Battlefield awareness? Like, ignoring the fact you're using a ranged weapon and actually get closer to the killer robot?

Miranda knew that Kai Leng was coming. She was likely able to prepare something like an EMP grenade to escape.

You have no proof. She took precaution but we don't know which. And just coming close to Kai Leng on your own and surviving is pretty damn amazing.
And she didn't want to escape, she wanted to shut Sanctuary down and rescue her sister.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[SNascimento]

jreezy wrote...

Xivai wrote...

Miranda. Ashley got taken out like a punk on mars.

And whose to say the same thing wouldn't have happened to Miranda?

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Miranda's superior fighting skills. 

[Zeppex]

If by superior fighting skills you mean genetically enhanced sure I'll give you that one.

[Rogue Unit]

Off topic, but MisterJB, where is your avatar from? It's creepy in a good way

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 28 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[RedTail F22]

I've wanted a there to be consequences for my Shepard having two LI and was really dissapointed when there was none. Had the ending not been so bad believe me thats all I would've been talking about on these forums.

I (my shepard) loved both Ash and Miranda. The fact that he had to pick one should've been a huge moment in the game for him. It wasnt. Instead it was pick her or her. thats it. WTF NOT OK.

That being said I should've been able to have Miranda on the Normandy. Again, WTF NOT OK.

And yes I was expecting banter and verbal abuse from one ofthem to the other as they both wanted Shepard. In the first 2 Mass Effects Shepard is working for their love. In ME3 why not have them compete for his.

Switch it up a bit.

My Shepard tends to cause drama and I enjoyed seeing it. I did not get that in ME3. Dissapointment.

I couldve drawn out this rant more but I'm tired

[Sc2mashimaro]

Made Nightwing wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...
Many if not all of Cerberus's soldiers are ex-Alliance. While I would agree that Miranda has extensive training, she is primarily trained as a problem solver. Ash is trained to kill things.

You are ignoring the fact she survived a fight with Kai Leng who, juding by his videologs, would love to kill her.
Kai Leng was an N7, the best soldiers of humanity and this was before his upgrades. Ashley is not an N7. And, unlike Vega, I don't remember any mention of her being considered for training.
If Ashley fought Kai Leng, he would absolutely murder her.

Kai Leng is overrated. A dying assasin beats Kai Leng. For the past three years, Ashley has been under the training of Anderson, the biggest badass in the Mass Effect universe. Come ME3, she's learned a great deal of battlefield awareness, as well as a variety of new skills.

Miranda knew that Kai Leng was coming. She was likely able to prepare something like an EMP grenade to escape.

There is truth to this. Spies (operatives) rely on KNOWING first and fighting second. If Miranda gets to choose when, where, and how the fight goes down she'll probably win 99% of the time vs. anyone. She even gets good odds if she gets to choose half of that. But, in a fight that starts out of the blue her only advantage is her Biotic abilities.

[sorentoft]

Nonono. It is Ashley + Miranda.

[TheColonel90]

The real question is who cares? I like both characters in different ways. Both have their faults. Some characters get a lot more attention than others. In the end, it is all irrelevant due to space magic.

[RedTail F22]

Just playin. Im not done yet. I posted this before and thought it'd be a good place to share it again.

RedTail F22 wrote...

 I was hoping for consequences for having two LI. Instead we get "Pick her or her, ok move on." Thats it! Super dissapointment.Here's what I wanted/ expecting:


- First of all Shepard gets to have both LI in the Normandy. This will allow for Shepard to have to face the fact that he/she has two LI and he loves them both (If you choose to continue the romance with both of them like the previous ME games). So allow players to have at least 1 ME2 character in the squad with them.

- There should be a growing tension that developes throughout the game between Shepard his two LI as they continue to fight for Shepard's love and pressuring him into picking one. Think about all the great dialogue that could be created for these moments. And not just from the LI and Shepard but from Joker and Garrus as they observe this fiasco Shepard has put himself in.

- As tension grows and Shepard is pressured to choose the emotional stress is something that Bioware could really build onto. And as Shepard feels it I know I would feel it as well considering I built a relationship with my two LI in the first two games.

- For once it would be nice if Shepard didnt have to work to get the lovin but rather others worked for his/hers. Let the LI's try to win Shepard over.

- That Epic moment when I have to pick one. All the heartfelt dialouge and romantic tension finally builds up to the EPIC moment where you have to pick one or the other. Possibly even during a scene where one of them might live or die. (As an added bonus if my Paragon/Renegade is high enough I could still save both). I would deffinitely feel like crying man tears at this point but would be more satisfied with my choice.


So thats how I would have liked to see it anyway. More drama because thats just what my Shepard likes to create, and therefore a more epic and fulfilling romantic storyline. Also its a nice bonus for those who played the previous Mass Effects. A gift if you will. Its too bad we got what we got.

Imagaine!
- Miranda and Ash going at it on the Normandy over Shepard while he has to calm them down for now.

- A chance to get to know them emotionally even better than in the first two games

-And Pep talks from Garrus and ridicule from Joker.

YES PLEASE!! Am I asking for too much... probably. But it'd be easier to not think about the ending every **** minute.

[Sc2mashimaro]

The only thing other than ending DLC I really hope for is ME2 character DLC - especially Miranda, but Jack and Grunt too.

[humes spork]

"Traynor! Requisition an inflatable kiddie pool and thirty gallons of baby oil! The turians can wait, I want it yesterday, specialist!"

[bahamutomega]

Joker = takes pictures
EDI = who do you think is taking the pictures for Joker?
Jack = roots for Ashley
Tali = chokes on popcorn (can't eat human food)
Garrus = gives Tali mouth to mouth (main battery room anyone?)
Mordin = <mutters something about hormones and irrational behavior>
Grunt = doesn't care who wins, just wants to fight the winner
Legion = comments on how pointless the fight is (probably roots for Ash, though, just cuz she can carry the M-98)
Wrex = Ash.  Ash all the way.  he has a thing for her.  if she was Krogan, they'd have been bunkmates back in ME1
Javik = while he would pretend to be disgusted, he would respect them both as warriors
Samara = remain politely aloof.  if she even paid attention
Thane = just a guess, but he'd be rooting for Ash.  probably the whole family thing.
Traynor = wants to hop in bed with either one (there's a theme here)
James = wants to hop in bed with either one (see the theme now?)
Chambers = roots for Miranda

i think that covers most of the party and crew from the various normandy.  i won't include the other crewmembers (Pressly, Adams, etc) because it comes down to about 50/50 i think.

[Tom Lehrer]

jreezy wrote...

Xivai wrote...

Miranda. Ashley got taken out like a punk on mars.

And who's to say the same thing wouldn't have happened to Miranda?

Ashley had a helmet on...all Miranda uses is a breathmask so something tells me the out come of having her face smashed into stuff would not look pretty.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 28 mars 2012 - 07:13 .

[bahamutomega]

damn, i forgot

Garrus would also have to make at least one comment about who has the reach and who has the flexibility.

[Blindspy]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Gameplay wise, lore wise, cutscene wise. Any which way you like

Cutscene-wise, Miranda wins hands down.  In every scene with a biotic, they're always beating the crap out of something non-biotic, or using a barrier to stop physical things, like objects being thrown at them, or bullets.  Unfortunately for Ashley, Miranda is a biotic and Ashley only has physical attacks.

Lore wise, you have to give the edge to Miranda also.  First of all, she's engineered to be genetically perfect.  In her dialogue, it's revealed that she has a higher intelligence and better reflexes than other humans.  When you talk to Ashley, she says that her sister has a more refined fighting style, but she's more of a straight up puncher.  This is not a good thing against someone that is smarter and faster than you, and can enhance their physical strength through biotics.  In ME1, Kaidan said he accidentally killed his trainer with nothing more than a biotically enhanced kick.

Gameplay-wise, it's very hard to compare the two, because there isn't a Mass Effect game where you get to have both of them as squad-mates at some point.  However, in Mass Effect 2, Miranda was literally the only non-DLC character that had abilities that were effective against all defense types (warp for barriers and armor, and overload for shields).  On insanity difficulty, she was almost a shoe-in for every mission because of that.  In ME3, Ashley doesn't really stand out from the other squad-mates as being significantly better or worse than anyone else, and she was straight-up inferior to Wrex in the soldier-tank role in ME1.

So yea, I would go with Miranda in both a ranged fight and a hand-to-hand fight.

Modifié par Blindspy, 28 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Tom Lehrer]

bahamutomega wrote...

damn, i forgot

Garrus would also have to make at least one comment about who has the reach and who has the flexibility.

Jacob would also be betting on Miranda and Kasumi would side with him just cause. Then Liara might mutter something about not understanding humans while Zaeed just stands there thinking about how this takes him back.

[GabrielK]

Made Nightwing wrote...
Michael Weston is an ex-Green Beret, Sam is an ex-Navy SEAL. They use military tactics. Miranda was never trained as a soldier, just as an operative.

Regardless of Weston's prior training, he always describes himself as a spy. When it comes down to it, he thinks like a spy.


And as far as the CIA...well that's a bad example, given that they are a real world organization. And we're talking about "action movie" reality here more than anything else.


In the end though, I think very few people will be changing their minds on this particular topic. And everybody here will probably be rehashing the same arguments over and over again. So I'll now begin devoting my energy to imagining the Beach Volleyball DLC instead...

[bahamutomega]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

bahamutomega wrote...

damn, i forgot

Garrus would also have to make at least one comment about who has the reach and who has the flexibility.

Jacob would also be betting on Miranda and Kasumi would side with him just cause. Then Liara might mutter something about not understanding humans while Zaeed just stands there thinking about how this takes him back.

damn...  i can't believe i forgot them.  thanks!

yeah...  Kasumi would difinitely side with Jacob on that.  i dunno, Liara might be recording the footage to blackmail the winner for favors.  after all, Miranda was highly place at Cerberus and Ash is now a Spectre.  she does seem to take the SB thing a little seriously.

[Tom Lehrer]

Blindspy wrote...

Lore wise, you have to give the edge to Miranda also.  First of all, she's engineered to be genetically perfect.  In her dialogue, it's revealed that she has a higher intelligence and better reflexes than other humans.  When you talk to Ashley, she says that her sister has a more refined fighting style, but she's more of a straight up puncher.  This is not a good thing against someone that is smarter and faster than you, and can enhance their physical strength through biotics.  In ME1, Kaidan said he accidentally killed his trainer with nothing more than a biotically enhanced kick.

Based on the lore biotics takes alot of energy and most can only manage 1 or 2 impressive biotic actions a day. In a fight she would need to make any biotic attack count or the next thing Miranda would see is a bullet in the face. Ashleys armor would also help in taking the damage from that attack.

[Maias227]

Ashley Ashley!

[ManOfSteel]

Ashley.
Miranda's awesome, but Ashley > Miranda.

[Melra]

Miranda, easy choice. Ashley stands no chance.