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[Devos]

Nail. Head. Hit.

Really there is a positive message in all this. BioWare dropped the ball but they have the chance to do it again. It's an incredible opportunity and there is still artistic integrity in seeing what was wrong and creating something new.

[puppy maclove]

THIS - BioWare please watch!!!!!!!

[jess05]

Very good.

[DJBare]

Impressive, a must watch.

[Machazareel]

Great video. Everyone should watch this.

[MattFini]

I'm glad he did this in the RLM style.

While, admittedly, I'm a fan of the SW prequels, RLM made many points that I couldn't possibly refute with regards to Eps I-III: the sloppy structure of TPM, the fact that Obi-Wan and Anakin are never convincingly shown as friends, etc.

This ME3 video works in much the same way. While I'm still cool with someone defending the endings, there's really no possible way to deny their failure from a storytelling perspective. The points he makes about Shepard serving no real function in the final scene being the most irrefutable.

Great video, well worth watching.

Modifié par MattFini, 28 mars 2012 - 01:34 .

[kyrieee]

This topic should be merged with
http://social.biowar.../index/10715611

[Captain Arty]

Really good. Worth the length. Bioware please watch!

[Baelyn]

Fingertrip wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

For all what's worth, he could have picked the "genre" of star wars instead of techy and talk. It's all subjective opinion, and really is no facts he's bringing up.

This is simply not true. He goes on for about 5 minutes explaining exactly why it is Talky and Techy and not science fantasy like Star Wars. This part is not subjective at all. Mass Effect has always been about the dialogue and interactions, if you don't know this, then you really don't know Mass Effect.

It's his definition of it. It's not fact. I could make up different definitions and variations of the same genre, but it would still be my perspective on it. It's only a fact in his own mind, I wouldn't argue against it- but I'm saying that regardless of what definition he goes with, Star Wars in it's own right doesn't try to break the limits of it's own world, because hello- it's sci-fi.

George Lucas himself has many times spoken out that Star Wars is, in fact, "science fantasy," being that the whole theme of the genre fits mystical elements (the force etc). Mass Effect has never tried to portray this before. 

Whilte it may be a "fact in his own mind," these "genres" are conceptualizations of the story themes of both universes (Star Wars, and Star Trek), and doesn't make his premise any less true. The fact is that Mass Effect has never had thematic elements of mysticism or the metaphysical. It has always been grounded , even to the point of the developers themseves saying that they want everything to be grounded in science and technology and not simply "space magic."

The experience of Mass Effect varies from person to person, and you can't define it as a "It's this and that, not that and this". For some people, it's a rollercoaster with alot of nice shooting elements, and they could care little less about the actual story.

If you don't know this, then you don't know a whole lot about Mass Effect, and people in general and their opinions and values, let-alone- developing a game.

While I agree that different people will take different experiences away from the game, that does not change the fact that the intent and focus of the game and its storytelling mechanics are focused on the characters and their interactions. I can role play a Call of Duty game, but that doesn't make that game a role playing game.

[BARRAGE 74]

Thanks for posting

[ZtalkerRM]

Baelyn wrote...
George Lucas himself has many times spoken out that Star Wars is, in fact, "science fantasy," being that the whole theme of the genre fits mystical elements (the force etc). Mass Effect has never tried to portray this before. 

Whilte it may be a "fact in his own mind," these "genres" are conceptualizations of the story themes of both universes (Star Wars, and Star Trek), and doesn't make his premise any less true. The fact is that Mass Effect has never had thematic elements of mysticism or the metaphysical. It has always been grounded , even to the point of the developers themseves saying that they want everything to be grounded in science and technology and not simply "space magic."

You are correct.
Since Episode 6 (ROTJ) Lucas has been trying to move Star Wars a bit more into the 'fantasy sci-fi' direction.
If people whould read into Star Wars history a bit, they would also realise Lucas created a book in 1979 (I believe) called 'Splinter of the Mind's Eye' that was all about crystals, ghosts and stuff. It would've been a cheap alternative to film if Episode 4 wouldn't take off.

Should've had Alec Guiness with us aboard the Citadel.
"This is not the ending you're looking for, Space Hitler *fancy hand movement*, you want to kill yourself and destroy all reapers in the process."

[kimuji]

I've just seen it, it is a really good video, sublte analysis. I would have added a few others complains (the end breaks the paragon/renegade dichotomy, red and blue are renegade choices, green is a false and wrong paragon choice, for instance)  but it is already good as it is. Bioware should watch that vid.

Modifié par kimuji, 28 mars 2012 - 01:51 .

[Captain Arty]

Geez, that's good...

[nevar00]

"Mass Effect 3's ending is the most disappointing thing since my son."

Okay I'm already bookmarking this.

[K-J4y]

Actually I do like the endings, by watching this video I gonna ask myself if my attitude is appropriate anymore.

[DaAce3252]

On point, hands down the best break down I've seen yet...

[Kharn-ivor]

Calm and collected analysis of the Me3 ending and Me series in general, great suff. Twitter says Bioware have seen/noted it, hopefully they dont dismiss it.

[Mixon]

I just wish BW could listen to what he said. It's VOICE OF MANY.

[myrmedon419]

Bump for effect, this must be seen!

[Hingjon]

Great vid!

[totalrecall87]

thanks for sharing

[Captain Arty]

I just want to keep bumping this thread because I think it's worth everybody seeing.

His thesis on loss of "narrative coherence" covers my major gripes, as well as most of the major gripes I've read on here. They reversed the theme of the story in the last moments...

[Mazzo0279]

best video of what is wrong with the ending ive seen so far. Realy nails it on the loss of cohesive narrative and loss of character focus. Realy hope devs see this.

[hoodie_gypsy]

I agree 100% about the loss of narrative cohesion at the end. Jarring, and not in the good storytelling kind of way.

At this time, I'm am currently the "Not sure if ..." Fry. I hope I can soon return to throwing money at Bioware. Is it April yet?

[GrimIntent89]

yeah, that pretty much sums up my feelings as well. let's hope bioware pulls through and sets things right...