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[Synonamess]

watch this video, it's worth the 39 mins.

[Egonne]

Absolutely amazing!!

[Dreogan]

Yougottawanna wrote...

The video was harsher on the indoctrination theory than I meant to be. I actually think it's a cool theory... I just don't think it's what Bioware intended. I also hope it's not what Bioware intended, because it would just be a terrible way to treat your customers.

It makes perfect sense. If you attack the very foundation of the story, its storytelling, you call into question the relevance of alternate interpretations of the story. You've managed to invalidate the ending, and by extension make indoctrination theory unnecessary. 

Indoctrination is a cool theory, yes, but it's no different than playing Jaws backwards for a different story. It gives us no new insight on the plot itself, only an "alternative universe" version of the plot.

Modifié par Dreogan, 28 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Ieldra]

Nice video. I don't necessarily agree with everything he's saying - for instance, I think the current ending can be salvaged with more interaction, exposition and expansion as well as added closure - but it's definitely worth viewing.

[Gaddmeister]

Yougottawanna wrote...

The video was harsher on the indoctrination theory than I meant to be. I actually think it's a cool theory... I just don't think it's what Bioware intended. I also hope it's not what Bioware intended, because it would just be a terrible way to treat your customers.

That is true. I don't mind being fooled in a video game, as long I afterwards am told that I was fooled . If the indoctrination theory is true, then all of it should have been included in the main game, not released separately. I mean who the heck would sell the last chapter of a book a month later? No one, that's who.

[GBGriffin]

wheelierdan wrote...

holy christ 40 minutes?

That was my reaction, but, while he's no David Attenborough or Morgan Freeman, it was a very good watch.

Nicely done.


*edit* I also cringed when he mentioned the Indoctrination Theory because I knew people would still try to defend it.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 28 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Tovanus]

Ha, I had just posted in the other thread that had been started by the guy who made the video. Guess there are two threads about it. All the better I guess. I'd like to think that if decision makers at Bioware watched this, they'd give serious thought to removing the Starchild. Maybe they just cut him out and pretend like it never happened, or maybe they adopt the fan-made theory of indoctrination. I don't mind which (though if they used indoctrination, I'd like to see them admit it was not something initially planned and give fans credit for giving them a way out of the mess without removing what they had in the original ending sequence).

I just loathe the idea that they might use their chance at fixing this to do something like add a few epilogue screens without fixing what actually undermined the entire trilogy.

[Friggan]

Perfect sum up of my feelings as well, worth the time !

[BWGungan]

Eterna5 wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

The guy actually understand genre, and plot structure and is pointing out why the ending is awful.

Why the ending was awful to him. No matter how bad a ending truly is there will always be someone out there who likes it and interprets it differently. Now I myself am not a strong fan of the endings, but they are in no way broken, they just don't end like we had hoped. 

They are clearly broken.  End of story.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

Yup a fantastic video. Very well thought out.

[Xcimeister]

This video is quite worthwhile to watch. While it touches the subjects most more intellectual posts and blogs argue, it's done so in a nice and humorous manner. And it's a video, rather then having you read a few A4 about it (for those of you not into reading). Put it in HD, fullscreen, lean back, and be enlightened (or get the same stuff told to you again but by a calm voice).

Bioware says they check out threads and listen, so speak loud enough, they should peek into this. Even tho the title of the thread isn't that interesting. (Kinda sounds like some kind of scam.. somehow).

[Alchemist4]

Nice video. Someone should tweet the video to Bioware staff.

[erc1971]

Agreed - an AMAZING video on why the ending is horrible and why it needs to be scrapped, not just clarified.

Bioware needs to watch this ASAP.

Eric

[afarkas1]

Bump.

[Xcimeister]

Alchemist4 wrote...

Nice video. Someone should tweet the video to Bioware staff.

A good suggestion. I tweeted it to @masseffect, so will see if they notice at all. Even made an account just for that. Silly me.

[moonlightwolf]

 This is the best breakdown I've seen so far, absolutely hits the nail on the head. Every point I've been thinking about so far.

[Sefriol]

IT smells. You are right.

Getting rid of Starchild is necessary? You can have this kind of character in the end, but not how Bioware has done it. If BW improves SC it might be okey, but I agree that removing him would be easiest way to fix the ending.

But I doubt BW would do it. They have an ending and they will stick to it. They might FIX it, but they don't change it.
Imho it would downgrade BW even more if they changed the ending. Just improve it to the level we have seen in other parts of the game. It doesn't require much.

[GBGriffin]

Sefriol wrote...

IT smells. You are right.

Getting rid of Starchild is necessary? You can have this kind of character in the end, but not how Bioware has done it. If BW improves SC it might be okey, but I agree that removing him would be easiest way to fix the ending.

But I doubt BW would do it. They have an ending and they will stick to it. They might FIX it, but they don't change it.
Imho it would downgrade BW even more if they changed the ending. Just improve it to the level we have seen in other parts of the game. It doesn't require much.

I think that asking them to remove Casper the Genocidal Ghost is asking too much, but this video made me realize that it would, in fact, fix so many of the issues.

Simple...yes. I doubt they'll do it

Modifié par GBGriffin, 28 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[Sefriol]

And I just want to add that the video was great. It summarized my thoughts about the game.

[Stephanid98]

Just watched the video (albeit in segments) and it was GREAT!

People, don't be put off by the length, it's really very good!

I think there should be a meeting at Bioware where everyone watches this!

[KarstenKlausen]

Can we supply copies of this vid with the cupcakes? Casey and crew really really need to watch this.

[J717]

KarstenKlausen wrote...

Can we supply copies of this vid with the cupcakes? Casey and crew really really need to watch this.

GREAT IDEA!

Someone message the organizer and have him burn some copies to go along with the cupcakes!

[Inferiorist]

Definitely worth the 40 minutes.

[Theb82]

Great video that I wish we had it 2 weeks ago but I think its too late now for anything to change other than clarification.