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[Warden130]

egnit wrote...

I actually created my own Mass Effect 3 ending that cuts out the star kid based on my own play through the game. I'm curious to see what people think/will accept in terms of an ending. My ME 3 Ending

With the exception of the Normandy scene, I personally prefer the current ending. There needs to be some sort of sacrifice in defeating the Reapers. I actually like how we have to sacrifice the relays to destroy the Reapers, it seems like a huge price to pay but a nessesary one to survive. If everything is perfect and happy at the end of ME3, it would just dimish the huge threat that the Reapers were. Shepard dying on its own isn't enough.

The Catalyst isn't perfect, but people think he makes less sense than he really does. If you actually think about it, his logic is not circular. To the Catalyst and the Reapers, harvesting is not the same as wiping us out, but to us it pretty much is the same. Sovereign always said that we could not comprehend them, and from looking at BSN, it seems he was right.

Modifié par Warden130, 29 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[NaNtAeG]

Bioware HAS TO look at this VIDEO.
(and IGN, and whoever considering fans as some stupid whining minority)

[Warden130]

NaNtAeG wrote...

Bioware HAS TO look at this VIDEO.
(and IGN, and whoever considering fans as some stupid whining minority)

That "minority" aren't the ones who are whining at Bioware to make a new ending.

Modifié par Warden130, 29 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[WolfyZA]

I expected more.... Sure he makes some valid points, but why doesnt he talk about the pointless single breath scene then?? Nobody dares touches that short clip with a 10 foot pole by the looks of it.

[K-J4y]

Cause it depends on how much "Effective Military Strenght" you have. Also it appears only if you chose the destroying path.
In other words, it's more likely only a few possibilities will lead to the breathing chest of Shepard, so you got plenty of endings without this "gimmick"
Maybe thats the reason why people usually ignore this fact.

[We Tigers]

Great stuff. I was very impressed with both the structure and content here; I get the sense that the author has presented at a few conferences in his time.

[twystedspyder]

I was hesitant to watch yet another video explaining why the ending is causing such a fuss with fans, but I'm glad that I did.

This was a well thought out examination into why the ending structure is a failure on both a game design and storytelling level. It shows how this failure in writing and design has lead to all the issues with the ending and all of the fan uproar. Even the happy ending, multiple ending and lack of closure complaints all stem from the feeling many long time fans had when they reached the Starchild point of the game. The feeling being that there was apparently no real effort taken in the execution of this ending at all.

I am personally still in the "planned DLC" camp, but that is mostly just so I can pretend that BioWare still cares about telling good stories and so I can stop fuming about this at least until April.

But yeah, I support this video and give it my highest recommendation. Everyone who cares about Mass Effect should watch it.

Modifié par twystedspyder, 29 mars 2012 - 03:06 .

[Jamaak3000]

BUMP

[J717]

Thursday bump.

[vasametropolis]

The video is the most perfectly planned out execution of why the current ending does not work at all. We shouldn't be looking for clarification if it just continues off that ending. If anything, this video convinces it needs a complete rewrite, A complete chop before the star kid, and a rewrite of everything after.

[Yougottawanna]

<------- the dude that made the video again

When I made the video I made it assumed that it would get a hundred and some-odd views or something, and I would stare at the ticker wondering how many of those views were just me refreshing the page over and over again. Instead, it got a pretty good response, and based on the number of views and comments and emails and stuff I got I can now confidently declare myself to be a temporary regional D-level internet celebrity. It's time to milk this for every last ounce of attention I can get.

I actually enjoyed making the first video and I'm down to make another. Here are three possible subjects, and two of them are related to ME3's ending.

1. The indoctrination theory. The first video only briefly mentioned it, and it's probably the thing more people have been asking me about than any other.

2. The general relationship between Bioware and EA.

3. Something I haven't thought of.

So if you have a vote or an idea, post it here, I do read this thread.

[Captain Arty]

Bumping again. I know people will be put off by the length. But it's totally worth it. Need to make sure the devs see this before their "clarification" makes things worse.

[Blindspy]

Yougottawanna wrote...

<------- the dude that made the video again

When I made the video I made it assumed that it would get a hundred and some-odd views or something, and I would stare at the ticker wondering how many of those views were just me refreshing the page over and over again. Instead, it got a pretty good response, and based on the number of views and comments and emails and stuff I got I can now confidently declare myself to be a temporary regional D-level internet celebrity. It's time to milk this for every last ounce of attention I can get.

I actually enjoyed making the first video and I'm down to make another. Here are three possible subjects, and two of them are related to ME3's ending.

1. The indoctrination theory. The first video only briefly mentioned it, and it's probably the thing more people have been asking me about than any other.

2. The general relationship between Bioware and EA.

3. Something I haven't thought of.

So if you have a vote or an idea, post it here, I do read this thread.

I'd be interested in number 2, myself.  I've never seen a very comprehensive guide to the relationship between BioWare/EA, and it'd be interesting to get an idea of exactly how much control EA has over what goes into the game and story.  Indoctrination theory has already been talked to death.

Also, I said it earlier in this thread, but I totally loved the first video.  Thanks!

Modifié par Blindspy, 29 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[Captain Arty]

Yougottawanna wrote...

I actually enjoyed making the first video and I'm down to make another. Here are three possible subjects, and two of them are related to ME3's ending.

1. The indoctrination theory. The first video only briefly mentioned it, and it's probably the thing more people have been asking me about than any other.

2. The general relationship between Bioware and EA.

3. Something I haven't thought of.

So if you have a vote or an idea, post it here, I do read this thread.

I sent you a private message so as not hijack the thread, but I'd like to see a video that elaborates on the loss of narrative coherence, specifically, that the star-child is using a war launched by synthetics to prevent a war with synthetics because organics and synthetics can't coexist peacefully... even though players have already proven they can earlier in the entire game.

Modifié par Captain Arty, 29 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

Yougottawanna wrote...

<------- the dude that made the video again

When I made the video I made it assumed that it would get a hundred and some-odd views or something, and I would stare at the ticker wondering how many of those views were just me refreshing the page over and over again. Instead, it got a pretty good response, and based on the number of views and comments and emails and stuff I got I can now confidently declare myself to be a temporary regional D-level internet celebrity. It's time to milk this for every last ounce of attention I can get.

I actually enjoyed making the first video and I'm down to make another. Here are three possible subjects, and two of them are related to ME3's ending.

1. The indoctrination theory. The first video only briefly mentioned it, and it's probably the thing more people have been asking me about than any other.

2. The general relationship between Bioware and EA.

3. Something I haven't thought of.

So if you have a vote or an idea, post it here, I do read this thread.

Thanks for the video!

I would appreciate you going over some of the more specific points you missed in the first video, like how destroying the Mass Relays rather destroys the ME 'verse and everything that makes it unique and special (like magic in Harry Potter; without it, it's not the same setting whatsoever).  You also glossed over the starchild's arguments (or rather, specifically how they make no sense and are directly contradicted by loads of evidence in ME3 alone). And how it directly contradicts the themes of the ME 'verse (tolerance and diversity as a strength, and uniting very diverse and different groups for a very strong whole, including synthetics and organics; free will and choice, your choices MATTER), etc.

And how destroying the mass relays largely destroys the effects of our choices (all but the ones that cause extinction, anyway).

[BWGungan]

egnit wrote...

I actually created my own Mass Effect 3 ending that cuts out the star kid based on my own play through the game. I'm curious to see what people think/will accept in terms of an ending. My ME 3 Ending

At least I didn't feel completely empty after watching that ending.

[kaisterbahn]

Yougottawanna wrote...

<------- the dude that made the video again

When I made the video I made it assumed that it would get a hundred and some-odd views or something, and I would stare at the ticker wondering how many of those views were just me refreshing the page over and over again. Instead, it got a pretty good response, and based on the number of views and comments and emails and stuff I got I can now confidently declare myself to be a temporary regional D-level internet celebrity. It's time to milk this for every last ounce of attention I can get.

I actually enjoyed making the first video and I'm down to make another. Here are three possible subjects, and two of them are related to ME3's ending.

1. The indoctrination theory. The first video only briefly mentioned it, and it's probably the thing more people have been asking me about than any other.

2. The general relationship between Bioware and EA.

3. Something I haven't thought of.

So if you have a vote or an idea, post it here, I do read this thread.

Obligations be damned, do it all. Even the things that have yet to be proposed, do those too. Good stuff, and I feel you're a savvy and articulate voice for those who cannot put frustration to cause.

BTW you sound like Michael Moore. I was waiting for some shots of the impoverished parts of Detroit. Or is htat redundant?

[Kayjin23]

Yougottawanna wrote...

<------- the dude that made the video again

When I made the video I made it assumed that it would get a hundred and some-odd views or something, and I would stare at the ticker wondering how many of those views were just me refreshing the page over and over again. Instead, it got a pretty good response, and based on the number of views and comments and emails and stuff I got I can now confidently declare myself to be a temporary regional D-level internet celebrity. It's time to milk this for every last ounce of attention I can get.

I actually enjoyed making the first video and I'm down to make another. Here are three possible subjects, and two of them are related to ME3's ending.

1. The indoctrination theory. The first video only briefly mentioned it, and it's probably the thing more people have been asking me about than any other.

2. The general relationship between Bioware and EA.

3. Something I haven't thought of.

So if you have a vote or an idea, post it here, I do read this thread.

Definitely do both of those you actually listed. You present one of the best, clearest examples of what is wrong with the ending. A lot of videos on the ending don't go beneath the surface, yours did. I would love to hear more about your opinions on things in the future.

[jzzabelle]

awesome saucesome

[EndrzGame]

Yougottawanna wrote...

<------- the dude that made the video again

When I made the video I made it assumed that it would get a hundred and some-odd views or something, and I would stare at the ticker wondering how many of those views were just me refreshing the page over and over again. Instead, it got a pretty good response, and based on the number of views and comments and emails and stuff I got I can now confidently declare myself to be a temporary regional D-level internet celebrity. It's time to milk this for every last ounce of attention I can get.

I actually enjoyed making the first video and I'm down to make another. Here are three possible subjects, and two of them are related to ME3's ending.

1. The indoctrination theory. The first video only briefly mentioned it, and it's probably the thing more people have been asking me about than any other.

2. The general relationship between Bioware and EA.

3. Something I haven't thought of.

So if you have a vote or an idea, post it here, I do read this thread.

Thank-You so much for making that video. You nailed it! I hope someone at Bioware has sense enough to watch the whole thing if it comes to their attention.
P.S. Love your screen name too. That's what my first music teacher used to tell us all the time...'Ya gotta wanna'.

[Hydralysk]

Holy crap that video was pure gold, he REALLY gets what's going on with the ending contreversy.

[RenderedToast]

It's a shame he had to rip off RedLetterMedia's Plinkett Reviews so completely.

EDIT: That was ****y on it's own - I'm glad he made it though, pretty much sums it up.

OTHER EDIT: Oh, and he even admits it. That's good then.

Modifié par RenderedToast, 30 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

[Shinobu]

+1000<3

Says everything I've been struggling (and failing) to express about how terrible the ending is.

Bioware, pay attention to this video!

Points I especially liked:

Comparison between Tuchanka and Crucible.

Focus on characters.

We do not want the crappy ending "explained" -- it's bad enough as it is. We want other options!

[thetawaves90]

In a nutshell...yeeaaaaah.

[calvinocious]

I liked this video. Very effective, and not TOO much of a ripoff of Red Letter Media (despite the obvious inspiration). Everyone needs to see this.