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[adidaz]

Awesome vid!

[Eterna]

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

[FemmeShep]

You guys, check out Red Letter Media's reviews of the Star Wars Prequels (this entire video borrowed his style from them:)

http://redlettermedi...phantom-menace/

http://redlettermedi...-of-the-clones/

http://redlettermedi...ge-of-the-sith/

Not only are these hilarious, they are some of the best videos I have ever seen on WHAT NOT TO DO in writing story. I think every screenwriting class should show these.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 28 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[FemmeShep]

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

The guy actually understand genre, and plot structure and is pointing out why the ending is awful.

[Isichar]

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

Thats exactly what i view about your opinions

[RebelByDesign]

The Starchild parts are brilliant.

[JMA22TB]

Yeah that dude had some great stuff in there.

I like Indoctrination Theory but he nails it on the head - if they release it like that not only will the fanbase that wasn't in favor of it goes crazy in rage but the media has the easiest headline of all time:

"Mass Effect 3 Faked Its Own Ending"

All they have to do is give the player the ability to either defeat the Reapers, get their ass kicked by them, somewhere in between, or submit to them. Sure, it's A,B,C, and D, but that's better than pick a color and OH HAI STAR CHILD

[Eterna]

FemmeShep wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

The guy actually understand genre, and plot structure and is pointing out why the ending is awful.

Why the ending was awful to him. No matter how bad a ending truly is there will always be someone out there who likes it and interprets it differently. Now I myself am not a strong fan of the endings, but they are in no way broken, they just don't end like we had hoped. 

[RedTail F22]

just got done watching the vid. He makes a lot of great point.

Once again a fan comes along who is very articulate and knowledgeble and gives a very clear, precise, and detail driven summary of why the endings were bad. And still I feel like Bioware wont listen.

[Eterna]

Isichar wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

Thats exactly what i view about your opinions

How very insightful and intelligent. Why are people with Krogan avatars so antagonistic? 

Modifié par Eterna5, 28 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[Oninotaki]

amazing video!

[SnakesSon]

Shoulda gotten this guy on my show. He's pretty good.

This is why I made sure to stay civil and logical;it's much more effective. Good on this guy.

[admcmei]

He's objectively right, he's not taling about what he'd like, he's talking about objective rules of storytelling.

[SimKoning]

This needs to kept on the 1st page until Bioware comes out with an ending DLC. Bump if need be, bump it a lot.

[Isichar]

Eterna5 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

Thats exactly what i view about your opinions

How very insightful and intelligent. 

Yep all i heard was "Hes wrong and i disagree, its opinion" mind telling us why hes wrong?

[JMA22TB]

Eterna5 wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

The guy actually understand genre, and plot structure and is pointing out why the ending is awful.

Why the ending was awful to him. No matter how bad a ending truly is there will always be someone out there who likes it and interprets it differently. Now I myself am not a strong fan of the endings, but they are in no way broken, they just don't end like we had hoped. 

You're right they're not broken.

They're completely broken.

Did you see the part about narrative coherence? That part is truth. Unfiltered.

There are so many questions about what the hell just happened that you couldn't list them all. That's broken.

[FemmeShep]

Eterna5 wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

The guy actually understand genre, and plot structure and is pointing out why the ending is awful.

Why the ending was awful to him. No matter how bad a ending truly is there will always be someone out there who likes it and interprets it differently. Now I myself am not a strong fan of the endings, but they are in no way broken, they just don't end like we had hoped. 

I disagree.

I think there is such a thing as an objective failure of a story from a writing point of view. You are right, people can like poorly written things, but it doesn't change them from being technically poor (from a literary sense). 

And that is what this guy is pointing out. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 28 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Eterna]

JMA22TB wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

The guy actually understand genre, and plot structure and is pointing out why the ending is awful.

 
Why the ending was awful to him. No matter how bad a ending truly is there will always be someone out there who likes it and interprets it differently. Now I myself am not a strong fan of the endings, but they are in no way broken, they just don't end like we had hoped. 

You're right they're not broken.

They're completely broken.

Did you see the part about narrative coherence? That part is truth. Unfiltered.

There are so many questions about what the hell just happened that you couldn't list them all. That's broken.

No It's SPECULASHUN, as Bioware put it. You may not like, I may not like it, but it's a valid form of storytelling. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 28 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Panicomatic]

This is amazing. Someone hire this guy and get him on the ending team.

[BloodySunset__]

Brilliant.

[Eterna]

Isichar wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

Thats exactly what i view about your opinions

How very insightful and intelligent. 

Yep all i heard was "Hes wrong and i disagree, its opinion" mind telling us why hes wrong?

I told you why, plenty of stories end on cliffhangers. 

[jb1983]

Bioware needs to take everyone into a room and have them watch this thing on the big screen.

This is seriously one of the best replies to the ending I've seen. Scratch that. It's the best reply.

[Eterna]

FemmeShep wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

The guy actually understand genre, and plot structure and is pointing out why the ending is awful.

Why the ending was awful to him. No matter how bad a ending truly is there will always be someone out there who likes it and interprets it differently. Now I myself am not a strong fan of the endings, but they are in no way broken, they just don't end like we had hoped. 

I disagree.

I think there is such a thing as an objective failure of a story from a writing point of view. You are right, people can like poorly written things, but it doesn't change them from being technically poor (from a literary sense). 

And that is what this guy is pointing out. 

 I suppose it depends on how you're discussing it. From a plot hole point of view, it's poor. From a cliffhanger/Grimdark ending, it's perfectly valid. 

[MrDudley]

good vid

[admcmei]

Eterna5 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But he's wrong. Lots of Stories end on unexplained cliffhangers.

He's wrong about a lot of other things that just really come down to opinion. I don't know why you guys think he's so great. He has some points, but mostly it's just personal bias.

Thats exactly what i view about your opinions

How very insightful and intelligent. 

Yep all i heard was "Hes wrong and i disagree, its opinion" mind telling us why hes wrong?

I told you why, plenty of stories end on cliffhangers. 

Yeah, except it's not what the guy's saying. He's saying (rightfully) that they changed the whole focus of the story in 14 lines of dialogue.