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[HenchxNarf]

Elyiia wrote...

That's pretty interesting, because the ending is exactly where my emotional attachment was cut. Through a lot of the game I was emotionally invested, I was on the border of crying when Mordin died, but after the ending there was nothing. It was just an emotional void rather than the closure that we were told to expect.

For you it was, for some people it wasn't.

[Gibb_Shepard]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...



You're a writer, yet you liked the ending? That makes about as much sense as the ending itself.

As a writer, how can you not see how nonsensical, contradictory and incoherent the ening is from a purely literary stand point?

I'm a writer, and I liked the ending. What of it? I understand the ending and enjoy it.

But it is contradictory and incoherent from a purely literary standpoint. I thought writers actually cared about the details, and not just some vague overall concept.

Everyone undrerstands what the ending is supposed to be, but the details of said ending don't make any actual sense. I daresay if all writers just started putting **** in without actually maintaining story coherency, books and movies would've never gotten to where they are as an artform.

[TexasToast712]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Who cares about Germany?

Germany is awesome.

/American

They make good cake. THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT GERMAN CHOCOLATE CAKE!

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 The price is still $59.99. Standard for a new game. I don't see where they price is getting dropped.

Germany.

Who cares about Germany?

Das Shepard cares. 


He cares a lot yah.  

[The Angry One]

HenchxNarf wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Your sig is deliberately inflammatory, counts as a personal attack and shows just how mature you are.

No it isn't. Your comments could count as personal attacks, though.

Pot/kettle > black.

[HenchxNarf]

TexasToast712 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Who cares about Germany?

Germany is awesome.

/American

They make good cake. THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT GERMAN CHOCOLATE CAKE!

They make good beer, too!

[Dridengx]

Tony208 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Devils-DIVISION wrote...

If you're happy with the ending - then DON'T-buy-the-DLC!
But 91% (refer to BW poll) are unhappy. So go home!

oh the poll that had 71k people? yes that really seems logical for a mere 5% of the fanbase to demand things changed to a game that effects over 2.6 or more million fans. Why don't you get logic!

Dridengx fails yet again to understand statistics.

understanding is what you may find lacking in your statement. facts is what I presented which you clearly won't accept because doing so will lead to you admitting defeat. so I understand you will fight this until you are blue in the face.. it's okay... the only person who matters is you bro... *pats head*

[warrior256]

Look, will everyone just read what you are posting for a minute? When I read my attack on pro-enders calling them trolls, I realized that I was wrong and I clarified that in my next post. I don't think you pro-enders really believe the Retake movement has become a cult or that many of us were hiding behind a charity. You are just reacting to the heat of the moment. At the same time, I think many of us on the Retake movement have been trying to find an insult in the posts of those who disagree with us. Both sides need to realize that they are probably not going to convince the other to change their minds on the ending. I'm not saying don't debate the ending, but lets not let this devolve into attacking the other sides integrity.

[I am KROGAN]

 All the bickering Is really pathetic at this point.  Its the Internet, regardless which side you're on, acknowledge that both sides have crazy, delusional people.

The death threats were absolutely ****ing pathetic, yes.  But, just because a few people are out of their ****ing minds doesn't make everyone who supports the RME idea that crazy.

Yea, there are people on the RME side who lump all the pro-Enders together too.


Just accept the fact that it's the Internet, don't take **** personally, "discuss" your opinions with the non-lunatics who threaten to kill people who don't agree or the pathetic trolls craving attention.  It's like these aren't forums for a mature rated game or something.

Inb4 whatever white knight/lol it's the internet relax comments.

[ticklefist]

HenchxNarf wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

LOL. Wow, just... wow. I thought only Star Wars fans and Trekkies were obsessed enough to pull stunts like that.

Seems like greengoron89 has missed quite a bit during his avoidance of the ME3 forums - not sure if I'm better or worse off for finding out.

All I know is that this has turned into less of a protest and more of a riot - three weeks since the game's release, and this place is still an inferno of psychotic rage.

Some of them are more like a cult, but you're not far off. Halo players think its all ridiculous, so do COD players. It's gotten way out of hand.

Let's make this clear, the ending of ME3 is not deep. There's no complexity to it. There's nothing to not get. It's all right there on the table. It may very well be deep on your level, but that's hardly a slight against anyone but you, is it?

Edit: Totally quoted the wrong post. My bad.

Modifié par ticklefist, 28 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[The Angry One]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

But it is contradictory and incoherent from a purely literary standpoint. I thought writers actually cared about the details, and not just some vague overall concept.

Everyone undrerstands what the ending is supposed to be, but the details of said ending don't make any actual sense. I daresay if all writers just started putting **** in without actually maintaining story coherency, books and movies would've never gotten to where they are as an artform.

I wouldn't bother with these two, they're obviously just trying to get a rise out of people.

[Elyiia]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

That's pretty interesting, because the ending is exactly where my emotional attachment was cut. Through a lot of the game I was emotionally invested, I was on the border of crying when Mordin died, but after the ending there was nothing. It was just an emotional void rather than the closure that we were told to expect.

For you it was, for some people it wasn't.

For many it was, for many it wasn't. Isn't that in itself reason for a compromise by Bioware? You might not be able to please everyone, but you would please far more by adding options to provide closure for other customers.

[MrDudley]

Jeno_340 wrote...

 To start off, I just want to say that I believe in IT and I'm about to explain why.

I don't think EA would let Bioware sacrifice profits for "artistic integrity". If Bioware only elaborates on the current ending by adding a bit more dialogue and cutscenes, pretty much all their loyal fans are going to abandon them. These loyal fans are the ones that buy the dlc. Casual fans who didn't complain about the ending (or praise it), probably aren't going to buy the dlc the dlc either.

I think Bioware planned this along but they didn't expect the amount of damage a united group of 50,000 could do (30% price reduction in first two weeks, low user reviews, $100,000 in charity, 400 cupcakes, etc). If they actually had a good PR team, they could have stopped all of this in the first week by saying simply "the real ending is coming soon". Instead, they sacrificed a lot of money to keep everything a secret until April in order to preserve the greatest plot twist ever.

I think they couldn't finish the real ending in time so they threw together the POS we have now (notice reused textures, familiar places and objects, etc) and launched the game. When the real ending is finished, they will probably sell it to make an extra buck ( ea not benifitying us here).

The reason they are probably being hush right now is do that people will buy the game (thinking it was complete) instead of waiting for the real ending to come out when the price might be cheaper. That's my theory anyway . If I'm wrong, then Bioware and EA are going to lose a lot of money. I doubt EA would let that happen.

This is a franchise in the making and Bioware sort of killed it with the ME3 ending if it stands.  I don't think it is in Bioware or EA's long term goals to totally shake up what makes up the staples of the series. They have  expanded universe material in the works.

- the story is about a nascent galactic community of civilizations trying to survive their infancy
- the humans in the story have only been involved in this galactic civilization for 30 years.
- the universe has a lot of potential for further development


I  think the ending was the way it was to generate more interest and to gauge fan reaction.  The final scene where Shepard gasps for air is a clue that the series will continue and the ending wasn't what it appeared to be.


As for artistic integrity... the ending weren't very logical, drawn out, sophisticated, intelligent, or original. 

Xenosaga, Deus Ex, Final Fantasy games, and several anime series have come to similar conclusions.  I just got done watching Guilty Crown where the protagonist "Shu" had to take control of the Apocalypse Virus and then someone else had to take the "burst of light" to save the world in a similar fashion to how the Mass Relays exploded and either killed the reapers, subdued the reapers, or fused organic life with synthetic.



The Catalyst's (Starchild's) logic sucked.  Reapers were already the synthesis.

Reapers aren't as advanced as we think.   They seem to be creatures of instinct and slave to their programming.  Even the Geth disagree but the Reapers don't.    They are high tech hunter-gatherers.  Whoever created them is high tech but the Reapers are sort of slaves to their programming or fanatics.  They don't have much personallity and haven't shown much throughout the series.

They feed, reproduce, hibernate, and wake up on cue.  They are powerful but act very primitive.


If Bioware wanted to claim artistic integrity then the ending should have been a bit more drawn out and given more closure but it didn't.   It just created more questions and sort of felt rushed.

I  love the execution of the story and there are a lot of elements of this franchise which set it apart from other science fiction franchises but the endings aren't that good at wrapping up Shepards saga in a believable and satisfying fashion.  The Bioware apologists don't make a good case.

Modifié par MrDudley, 28 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[HenchxNarf]

The Angry One wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

But it is contradictory and incoherent from a purely literary standpoint. I thought writers actually cared about the details, and not just some vague overall concept.

Everyone undrerstands what the ending is supposed to be, but the details of said ending don't make any actual sense. I daresay if all writers just started putting **** in without actually maintaining story coherency, books and movies would've never gotten to where they are as an artform.

I wouldn't bother with these two, they're obviously just trying to get a rise out of people.

Or you know, we're just trying to have a decent conversation where you don't attack us for no real reason.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Dridengx wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

You're a writer, yet you liked the ending? That makes about as much sense as the ending itself.

Are you a writer? This story you claim to hate was written by one, the poster in question is a writer as well, you can't make sense of it just like you can't make sense of the ending. Could it be possible this storyline is just to much for you to grasp in your position of intelligence?

My god. One does not have to be a writer to use basic logic. I was pointing out that writers usually care about the details, not that only writers can "get" the ending.

Holy mother of lol.

[HenchxNarf]

Elyiia wrote...

For many it was, for many it wasn't. Isn't that in itself reason for a compromise by Bioware? You might not be able to please everyone, but you would please far more by adding options to provide closure for other customers.

To a point, yes. But I stand by BioWare and their choice to stick by the story they created. But, you are right, you can't please everyone, and trying to will backfire, badly.

[The Angry One]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Or you know, we're just trying to have a decent conversation where you don't attack us for no real reason.

If you didn't attack someone in every post, perhaps you would have this conversation you apparently desire.

[Dridengx]

I am KROGAN wrote..

The death threats were absolutely ****ing pathetic, yes.  But, just because a few people are out of their ****ing minds doesn't make everyone who supports the RME idea that crazy.

crazy perhaps.. as bad? no.

But being associated with a group knowing to have crazies who are doing such acts makes you guilty as well. RME can't be considered anything but until they don't condone that behavior and kick those members out otherwise  it's acceptance unless they are outcasted

[Icophesis]

 Benefitting us won't make up for the fact that they were the problem to begin with.

[Elyiia]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

For many it was, for many it wasn't. Isn't that in itself reason for a compromise by Bioware? You might not be able to please everyone, but you would please far more by adding options to provide closure for other customers.

To a point, yes. But I stand by BioWare and their choice to stick by the story they created. But, you are right, you can't please everyone, and trying to will backfire, badly.

I can't see a reason for why a Paragon/Renegade based interupt would backfire and it would sure solve a lot of the issues. I'd go as far as saying the majority of the issues people are raising is because they got no closure from the endings and when your emotional attachment is cut you start to look at it on a more critical basis.

[The Angry One]

Dridengx wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote..

The death threats were absolutely ****ing pathetic, yes.  But, just because a few people are out of their ****ing minds doesn't make everyone who supports the RME idea that crazy.

crazy perhaps.. as bad? no.

But being associated with a group knowing to have crazies who are doing such acts makes you guilty as well. RME can't be considered anything but until they don't condone that behavior and kick those members out otherwise  it's acceptance unless they are outcasted

Kick those members out.... what do you think the retake "movement" is? A boat club?

[ticklefist]

Dridengx wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote..

The death threats were absolutely ****ing pathetic, yes.  But, just because a few people are out of their ****ing minds doesn't make everyone who supports the RME idea that crazy.

crazy perhaps.. as bad? no.

But being associated with a group knowing to have crazies who are doing such acts makes you guilty as well. RME can't be considered anything but until they don't condone that behavior and kick those members out otherwise  it's acceptance unless they are outcasted

So you suggest I just like stuff that sucks because some crazy person doesn't?

[Dridengx]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

For instance, I hated hated HATED the ending to FF XIII-2, because of what happens to Lightning.

Like how they hyped up the fight between Lightning and Caiuss and then it never happens and now the 'fight' is coming as DLC? lol.. oh man these RME group would flip their crap if they were invested in other franchises. they have it good with Bioware lol