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[The Angry One]

Dridengx wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

For instance, I hated hated HATED the ending to FF XIII-2, because of what happens to Lightning.

Like how they hyped up the fight between Lightning and Caiuss and then it never happens and now the 'fight' is coming as DLC? lol.. oh man these RME group would flip their crap if they were invested in other franchises. they have it good with Bioware lol

Stop criticising Square Enix's original vision. You obviously don't get it, if you understood it like I do then you wouldn't have a problem with it.

[HenchxNarf]

Elyiia wrote...

I can't see a reason for why a Paragon/Renegade based interupt would backfire and it would sure solve a lot of the issues. I'd go as far as saying the majority of the issues people are raising is because they got no closure from the endings and when your emotional attachment is cut you start to look at it on a more critical basis.

And that's why they're going to clarify the endings. I wouldn't doubt that they pop up with "YOU WERE INDOCTRINATED THE WHOLE TIME! Gotcha!" Because if that's what they had planned, everything I have seen from when my husband played (I chose Synthesis, he chose Destroy), it would work, at least for him. I would have to start over, but still.

If it was what was planned the whole time. Huzzah for that, it means another playthrough for me (well, make it like fifth by then). And it doesn't mean they changed the ending, they just didn't clarify enough. Which is what BW said they would do. In what form, who knows.

However, I think everyone needs to chill until April.

[CronoDragoon]

Dridengx wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote..

The death threats were absolutely ****ing pathetic, yes.  But, just because a few people are out of their ****ing minds doesn't make everyone who supports the RME idea that crazy.

crazy perhaps.. as bad? no.

But being associated with a group knowing to have crazies who are doing such acts makes you guilty as well. RME can't be considered anything but until they don't condone that behavior and kick those members out otherwise  it's acceptance unless they are outcasted

How do you propose we kick members out when 1. there is no membership to kick them out of and 2. we have no goddamn clue who used death threats. Obviously if people did, no one would associate with them.

[Dridengx]

The Angry One wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

For instance, I hated hated HATED the ending to FF XIII-2, because of what happens to Lightning.

Like how they hyped up the fight between Lightning and Caiuss and then it never happens and now the 'fight' is coming as DLC? lol.. oh man these RME group would flip their crap if they were invested in other franchises. they have it good with Bioware lol

Stop criticising Square Enix's original vision. You obviously don't get it, if you understood it like I do then you wouldn't have a problem with it.

I never said I was against it. I'm just stating that you guys would die how much worse things are in other franchises but nice try.

btw, you need to read more clearly just like you need to pay attention more to game endings

Modifié par Dridengx, 28 mars 2012 - 06:17 .

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

The Angry One wrote...

Kick those members out.... what do you think the retake "movement" is? A boat club?

I lol'd.  Seriously it's not like they have badges that can be revoked or something.  This is the Internet and anyone can say they're a 'member' and nothing can be done about it.

[Dridengx]

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kick those members out.... what do you think the retake "movement" is? A boat club?

I lol'd.  Seriously it's not like they have badges that can be revoked or something.  This is the Internet and anyone can say they're a 'member' and nothing can be done about it.

hmm you have a facebook page with followers derp? oh wait that would hurt your movement since you want those numbers to prove you are not a minority!

Modifié par Dridengx, 28 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[HenchxNarf]

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kick those members out.... what do you think the retake "movement" is? A boat club?

I lol'd.  Seriously it's not like they have badges that can be revoked or something.  This is the Internet and anyone can say they're a 'member' and nothing can be done about it.

Well, technically, if they knew who was doing it, you could ask them not to wear the RTE stuff because it makes the group as a whole look bad.

There's ways of doing it, but finding out exactly who would be hard.

[Dridengx]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kick those members out.... what do you think the retake "movement" is? A boat club?

I lol'd.  Seriously it's not like they have badges that can be revoked or something.  This is the Internet and anyone can say they're a 'member' and nothing can be done about it.

Well, technically, if they knew who was doing it, you could ask them not to wear the RTE stuff because it makes the group as a whole look bad.

There's ways of doing it, but finding out exactly who would be hard.

You can't use logic though.. it must be like a rule to be apart of the group

Modifié par Dridengx, 28 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[CronoDragoon]

Dridengx wrote...

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kick those members out.... what do you think the retake "movement" is? A boat club?

I lol'd.  Seriously it's not like they have badges that can be revoked or something.  This is the Internet and anyone can say they're a 'member' and nothing can be done about it.

hmm you have a facebook page with followers derp? oh wait that would hurt your movement since you want those numbers to prove you are not a minority!

Right, because those people have "emailed death threats to Bioware!" as their facebook status. Just settle down, man.

[LightweightJustice]

Changes, yeah....right.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Dridengx wrote...

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kick those members out.... what do you think the retake "movement" is? A boat club?

I lol'd.  Seriously it's not like they have badges that can be revoked or something.  This is the Internet and anyone can say they're a 'member' and nothing can be done about it.

hmm you have a facebook page with followers derp? oh wait that would hurt your movement since you want those numbers to prove you are not a minority!

As HenchxNarf stated, you would have to know which ones are the bad apples, and even then all you could do is "name and shame" or ask nicely since you can't stop someone from linking an image in their sig.  Plus I don't think I've seen a single person who uses the same name on the BSN as they do on their Facebook profile so you couldn't "kick them out" of both places without 2 separate lists or something. It would be like trying to kick someone out of Anonymous.

[The Angry One]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Right, because those people have "emailed death threats to Bioware!" as their facebook status. Just settle down, man.

Not altogether unexpected logic from someone who apparently thinks the Normandy materialising (it can't have crashed) on a jungle planet out of FTL makes sense.

[Tony208]

Dridengx wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Devils-DIVISION wrote...

If you're happy with the ending - then DON'T-buy-the-DLC!
But 91% (refer to BW poll) are unhappy. So go home!

oh the poll that had 71k people? yes that really seems logical for a mere 5% of the fanbase to demand things changed to a game that effects over 2.6 or more million fans. Why don't you get logic!

Dridengx fails yet again to understand statistics.

understanding is what you may find lacking in your statement. facts is what I presented which you clearly won't accept because doing so will lead to you admitting defeat. so I understand you will fight this until you are blue in the face.. it's okay... the only person who matters is you bro... *pats head*

What you fail to understand time and time again is that not everyone displeased with the ending will speak out against it. And then you assume those who don't speak out are ones who like it. Statistics shows that they don't.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

LightweightJustice wrote...

Changes, yeah....right.

Your choices matter.

[Johcande XX]

Statistical polling is a process of taking a sample size that is representative of a whole population, and using that sample to gain insight into the opinions or traits of said population. -sigh

And yes people are still discussing the ending, I know it may seem a little obsessive; but from what I know about fighting, you don't let up when your opponent is on the ropes. Maybe once there is a clear victory/defeat people will move off of ending topics.

It's okay for people to enjoy the endings, even if they are writers, that's not a crime. Just keep in mind, unless you subscribe to IT, there are inconsistencies with the end cinematics that would make some people question the skill of the writers who were in charge of it.

And as for the OP, yes if EA is paying enough attention, they could probably get a DLC ending out of our pockets, and most likely using IT; although, THAT, to me, would be a little bit more of a negative precedent.

[Elyiia]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

I can't see a reason for why a Paragon/Renegade based interupt would backfire and it would sure solve a lot of the issues. I'd go as far as saying the majority of the issues people are raising is because they got no closure from the endings and when your emotional attachment is cut you start to look at it on a more critical basis.

And that's why they're going to clarify the endings. I wouldn't doubt that they pop up with "YOU WERE INDOCTRINATED THE WHOLE TIME! Gotcha!" Because if that's what they had planned, everything I have seen from when my husband played (I chose Synthesis, he chose Destroy), it would work, at least for him. I would have to start over, but still.

If it was what was planned the whole time. Huzzah for that, it means another playthrough for me (well, make it like fifth by then). And it doesn't mean they changed the ending, they just didn't clarify enough. Which is what BW said they would do. In what form, who knows.

However, I think everyone needs to chill until April.

I don't think a clarification is going to be enough. If we say that IT isn't actually a thing, then we have an ending that sticks out like a sore thumb if you played ParagonShep. It doesn't fit the character for him/her to blindly accept what the kid is saying. ParagonShep would have argued with the kid's points at the very least and RenegadeShep would have told the kid to "f*** off".

[Tony208]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kick those members out.... what do you think the retake "movement" is? A boat club?

I lol'd.  Seriously it's not like they have badges that can be revoked or something.  This is the Internet and anyone can say they're a 'member' and nothing can be done about it.

Well, technically, if they knew who was doing it, you could ask them not to wear the RTE stuff because it makes the group as a whole look bad.

There's ways of doing it, but finding out exactly who would be hard.

Yes, that would be hard. So you lump us in with the rest of them and attack the movement as a whole.

[Gibb_Shepard]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

But it is contradictory and incoherent from a purely literary standpoint. I thought writers actually cared about the details, and not just some vague overall concept.

Everyone undrerstands what the ending is supposed to be, but the details of said ending don't make any actual sense. I daresay if all writers just started putting **** in without actually maintaining story coherency, books and movies would've never gotten to where they are as an artform.

You make an interesting point here.

Art isn't art because it follows a set of guidelines. Art isn't art because there's a big list of dos and don'ts. Art is art because it is an expression of the writer. it is a feeling, an emotion, and it is meant to evoke a feeling or emotion. In fact, art often deliberately shuns rules and norms to bring something out.

Every artform is different. Writing DOES follow guidelines. In order to provoke any kind of emotion, there has to be some form of exposition and growth to a character/conflict/universe. That in itself is one rule. If this hadn't have been done for Mass Effect, you would've felt nothing; presuming what you felt actually had to do with Mass Effect, and not some philosophical question that you brought into your own life.

Writing a story has and always will follow guidelines. Some will break the mold (Such as overarching plot conventions), but that is as far as it goes. A person can just write down a bunch of feelings on paper, but if it doesn't maintain at least SOME form of coherency, it'll be written off as muddled crap.

[Bourne Endeavor]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

You're a writer, yet you liked the ending? That makes about as much sense as the ending itself.

As a writer, how can you not see how nonsensical, contradictory and incoherent the ening is from a purely literary stand point?

I can see all that.

But, I can also see how the ending made me feel emotionally. It had emotional weight to it, while ME1 and ME2 never did. And writing that pulls you in>perfectly logical writing.

Every time. Every d*mn time.

Granted, while emotion is subjective by nature. I must call into question the legitimacy of your opinion. You are claiming ME3's conclusion drew greater emotion from you than the confrontation with Sovereign/Saren's demise and the Suicide Mission, because I frankly find that difficult to believe. Care to explain in what way ME3's ending had such a profound effect on you?

[MrDudley]

Johcande XX wrote...

Statistical polling is a process of taking a sample size that is representative of a whole population, and using that sample to gain insight into the opinions or traits of said population. -sigh

And yes people are still discussing the ending, I know it may seem a little obsessive; but from what I know about fighting, you don't let up when your opponent is on the ropes. Maybe once there is a clear victory/defeat people will move off of ending topics.

It's okay for people to enjoy the endings, even if they are writers, that's not a crime. Just keep in mind, unless you subscribe to IT, there are inconsistencies with the end cinematics that would make some people question the skill of the writers who were in charge of it.

And as for the OP, yes if EA is paying enough attention, they could probably get a DLC ending out of our pockets, and most likely using IT; although, THAT, to me, would be a little bit more of a negative precedent.

Probably not just DLC  but a full blown expansion... probably larger than the usual console DLC.

Mass Effect 3: Awakening.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware just trolled their fanbase just to prove to themselves how much their fanbase cares.


Bioware was known for satisfying endings.  The endings to ME3 show a considerable lack of effort compared to the Bioware of the past.

How can we forget the ending of KOTOR?  KOTOR 's endings were so satisfying.  

Bioware could have easily had the current 3 main endings included amongst more drawn out and satisfying endings and then just chosen one to be canon when it came time to continue the franchise beyond ME3.

Modifié par MrDudley, 28 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[jarrettwold]

It's one thing for fan pressure on Bioware, with them looking at options and reviewing feedback. It's another if EA shoves and dictates those things down through Bioware's throats.

That would be a mess.

[Ad_Hoc]

Wow guys, dont you think you need to relax a bit? I mean, both camps, im in a haters camp btw, but cmon this whole threat was just about 3-4 people bashing each other and has nothing to do with ME nor EA/BW