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[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

greengoron89 wrote...

Just a quick note: whether you want to accept it or not, some of the more "extreme" actions members of your group have taken still reflect upon the movement as a whole.

Perhaps it's not entirely fair, but that's the way it is.

Yeah, we're not proud of that.

[jarrettwold]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Actually Jessica said RTM is about 9% of the fanbase.

And... no she didn't she was referring to this:

http://en.wikipedia....ternet_culture) 

[Johcande XX]

MrDudley wrote...

Johcande XX wrote...

Statistical polling is a process of taking a sample size that is representative of a whole population, and using that sample to gain insight into the opinions or traits of said population. -sigh

And yes people are still discussing the ending, I know it may seem a little obsessive; but from what I know about fighting, you don't let up when your opponent is on the ropes. Maybe once there is a clear victory/defeat people will move off of ending topics.

It's okay for people to enjoy the endings, even if they are writers, that's not a crime. Just keep in mind, unless you subscribe to IT, there are inconsistencies with the end cinematics that would make some people question the skill of the writers who were in charge of it.

And as for the OP, yes if EA is paying enough attention, they could probably get a DLC ending out of our pockets, and most likely using IT; although, THAT, to me, would be a little bit more of a negative precedent.

Probably not just DLC  but a full blown expansion... probably larger than the usual console DLC.

Mass Effect 3: Awakening.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware just trolled their fanbase just to prove to themselves how much their fanbase cares.


Bioware was known for satisfying endings.  The endings to ME3 show a considerable lack of effort compared to the Bioware of the past.

How can we forget the ending of KOTOR?  KOTOR 's endings were so satisfying.  

Bioware could have easily had the current 3 main endings included amongst more drawn out and satisfying endings and then just chosen one to be canon when it came time to continue the franchise beyond ME3.

An expansion size DLC,now I could get behind that; but charging for just an epilogue feels just a little, . . . underhanded to me.

[Bourne Endeavor]

greengoron89 wrote...

Just a quick note: whether you want to accept it or not, some of the more "extreme" actions members of your group have taken still reflect upon the movement as a whole.

Perhaps it's not entirely fair, but that's the way it is.

BioWare is a big boy and well equip to understand any group, positive or negative, breeds undesirables (ME quote). It is an unfortunate fact but they have openly acknowledged Retake as a whole has been largely civil and respectable. Child's Play also was quick to mention people who demanded refunds were few. Only those who are naive or have an agenda would believe the extremists represent the whole of Retake.

[The Angry One]

greengoron89 wrote...

Just a quick note: whether you want to accept it or not, some of the more "extreme" actions members of your group have taken still reflect upon the movement as a whole.

Perhaps it's not entirely fair, but that's the way it is.

I feel no guilt or shame over the actions of people I don't know, haven't encountered and have no control over.
Especially as a lot of these accusations of death threats and such come without evidence.

I'm sure somebody, somewhere has gone off the deep end, but their actions reflect solely upon themselves.

[Kulthar Drax]

Dridengx wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote..

The death threats were absolutely ****ing pathetic, yes.  But, just because a few people are out of their ****ing minds doesn't make everyone who supports the RME idea that crazy.

crazy perhaps.. as bad? no.

But being associated with a group knowing to have crazies who are doing such acts makes you guilty as well. RME can't be considered anything but until they don't condone that behavior and kick those members out otherwise  it's acceptance unless they are outcasted

So by your logic, every religious person in the world is guilty, as ALL the religions have crazies in their groups, some more than others. That's a lot of people you're painting with your brush XD

Modifié par Kulthar Drax, 28 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[cerberus1701]

I'm sorry, how can you be emotionally satisfied and satisfied from a literary standpoint when the book collapses so completely in the final 14 pages (Number of Starbaby's lines) of the final chapter that the protagonist that you've followed for the last 8 years actually CEASES to be the protagonist.

In a single scene, Mass Effect actually stops being about Shepard. It becomes all about Starbaby. Shepard him/herself actually makes no real choice. He only ends up doing what Starbaby ALLOWS him to.

It's like he's looking at how beat up Shep is and allowing him to win out of pity.

You have no literary credentials no matter how you might protest otherwise.

[The Angry One]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

1. The Catalyst is thousands and thousands of years old.

Appeal to authority.
Sovereign is thousands and thousands of years old too, therefore we should give in to his logic too, no?

2. Shepard is in no physical condition to argue.

Shepard argued with The Illusive Man in the same condition.

[VoraciousBeaver]

Dridengx wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote..

The death threats were absolutely ****ing pathetic, yes.  But, just because a few people are out of their ****ing minds doesn't make everyone who supports the RME idea that crazy.

crazy perhaps.. as bad? no.

But being associated with a group knowing to have crazies who are doing such acts makes you guilty as well. RME can't be considered anything but until they don't condone that behavior and kick those members out otherwise  it's acceptance unless they are outcasted

Hmm... guilt by association? One of the greater logical fallacies.

Should we just assume that all pro-ending people are as condescending as you, then? I personally wouldn't, as there are pro-ending posters in here who are kind enough not to spew such rubbish in such a patronizing manner. I would hope you notice the many anti-ending posters in here and all around the internet who are being perfectly respectable and not associate them with the few crazies we've all heard about. And excuse the vitriol. It is quite late and I am cranky.

Modifié par VoraciousBeaver, 28 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[CronoDragoon]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

The Catalyst has seen it all before, and has seen where it eventually leads to.

The Catalyst has not seen precisely the one thing he promises as inevitable.

Also, as a writer, you should know it is silly to spend two games showing one thing, then tell the audience the other at the end.

[jarrettwold]

...and this thread has descended into trolling and rage. I'm ditching out on it.

[Ishiken]

CavScout wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

but what about loyal fans who loved the ending?

Don't get the DLC if there is one.

Maybe you shouldn't have bought the game with the ending it has.

If only we were shown the ending before we bought the game.

[Elyiia]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

I don't think a clarification is going to be enough. If we say that IT isn't actually a thing, then we have an ending that sticks out like a sore thumb if you played ParagonShep. It doesn't fit the character for him/her to blindly accept what the kid is saying. ParagonShep would have argued with the kid's points at the very least and RenegadeShep would have told the kid to "f*** off".

You're forgetting a couple of things though.

1. The Catalyst is thousands and thousands of years old.

Choosing the form of a child was a poor choice I think. It caused people to view the Catalyst as a child, with the experience of a child, as opposed to an entity that is millenia old.

However, the Catalyst knows more than Shepard. The Catalyst has been around longer than humans have existed, longer than Asari have existed, longer that Protheans have existed. The Catalyst has eons of evidence to back up what it says, while Shepard can only present the weak arguments of a species that has been on the glactic fron for less than three decades. Shepard has absolutely no position to argue from. The Catalyst has seen it all before, and has seen where it eventually leads to.

One could argue that the Geth are a sign of synthetics and organics coexisting peacefully. However, that one would be arguing only from the experience of a couple hundred years. The Catalyst has doubtless seen this before. What makes one think this cycle is so unique and different from countless others?

2. Shepard is in no physical condition to argue.

Shepard was hit by a Reaper beam, if I'm not mistaken. When he gets to the Citadel, he is in horrible, horrible shape, barely able to shuffle along. After the encounter with the Illusive Man, he tries to stand up straight to reach the console and falls to the ground, eventually having to pull himself up by the console. If he can't even stand straight, if he collapses right after, what makes you think he's in any position to have a philosophical debate with an eons old entity?

The Catalyst might be old, but that doesn't mean it is any smarter than Shepard. Following through the consequences of all three endings, there's no real reason to believe it is a new solution. People can still make synthetics and Organ-Synthetics can still make synthetics. Further more there's no real evidence to say that synthetics would destroy all organics because it has clearly never happened before. If the spieces that had made the Reapers had a war with synthetics that they almost lost, why wouldn't they say "Okay, we're not making synthetics again". It doesn't make sense from a critical thinking point of view.

The synthetis cutscene seems to deny your physical condition point. Shepard clearly breaks into a flat out sprint towards the green beam thing, if he can run why can't he talk? It doesn't make sense.

[cerberus1701]

CronoDragoon wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

The Catalyst has seen it all before, and has seen where it eventually leads to.

The Catalyst has not seen precisely the one thing he promises as inevitable.

Also, as a writer, you should know it is silly to spend two games showing one thing, then tell the audience the other at the end.

This.

Cat has NEVER seen this happen, yet he's so positive that it will come to pass that he purges a good portion of life in the galaxy?

Never mind that the Geth already proved him wrong some 300 years before by making a conscious decision NOT to pursue the Quarians.

[The Angry One]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Granted, while emotion is subjective by nature. I must call into question the legitimacy of your opinion. You are claiming ME3's conclusion drew greater emotion from you than the confrontation with Sovereign/Saren's demise and the Suicide Mission, because I frankly find that difficult to believe. Care to explain in what way ME3's ending had such a profound effect on you?

ME1 and ME2 had virtually no emotional impact on me. I can say that honestly. Neither game drew real emotion from me, other than Mordin's LM and Jack's LM. I've never been able to "feel" Mass Effect.

However, ME3 was everything those games were not. There were probably half a dozen times I got a genuine lump in my throat, and even though I've never really felt anything for him, the final chat with Garrus brought tears to my eyes.

For me, Mass Effect 3 had more emotion to it than both other MEs and both DAs [only BW games I've played(other than SC:TDB)]

So basically because you can disregard the first two games it's fine for you.
If you can't see what a massive storytelling failure that is right there for those of us who have in fact invested in all 3 games, I doubt you're much of a writer.

[Iwillbeback]

I dunno, its partly their fault it is so bad.
Its the writers fault the ending sucked but I think its EA's fault there is no proper side missions.
Or maybe that was Bioware's fault too, damn they're terrible.

[Tony208]

Kulthar Drax wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote..

The death threats were absolutely ****ing pathetic, yes.  But, just because a few people are out of their ****ing minds doesn't make everyone who supports the RME idea that crazy.

crazy perhaps.. as bad? no.

But being associated with a group knowing to have crazies who are doing such acts makes you guilty as well. RME can't be considered anything but until they don't condone that behavior and kick those members out otherwise  it's acceptance unless they are outcasted

So by your logic, every religious person in the world is guilty, as ALL the religions have crazies in their groups, some more than others. That's a lot of people you're painting with your brush XD

That's what I've come to expect from Dridengx. Retake discourages any harmful behavior and that's all it can do, it's not some official club with a roster where you can kick people out.

[Jackal7713]

Remember  Orson Welles's " War of the Worlds"?  Welles's showed how to trick the audience into believing it was reality when it was fiction. I think Bioware was trying to pull off the same thing only it didn't work. To make the Welles's trick work, you need great timing. You also need to string the audience along in the right way. Bioware failed to do so.

This is just a theory, but the markers of the trick are there if you know what your looking for.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 28 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[CavScout]

The Angry One wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Granted, while emotion is subjective by nature. I must call into question the legitimacy of your opinion. You are claiming ME3's conclusion drew greater emotion from you than the confrontation with Sovereign/Saren's demise and the Suicide Mission, because I frankly find that difficult to believe. Care to explain in what way ME3's ending had such a profound effect on you?

ME1 and ME2 had virtually no emotional impact on me. I can say that honestly. Neither game drew real emotion from me, other than Mordin's LM and Jack's LM. I've never been able to "feel" Mass Effect.

However, ME3 was everything those games were not. There were probably half a dozen times I got a genuine lump in my throat, and even though I've never really felt anything for him, the final chat with Garrus brought tears to my eyes.

For me, Mass Effect 3 had more emotion to it than both other MEs and both DAs [only BW games I've played(other than SC:TDB)]

So basically because you can disregard the first two games it's fine for you.
If you can't see what a massive storytelling failure that is right there for those of us who have in fact invested in all 3 games, I doubt you're much of a writer.

At least the forum handle is apt.

[CronoDragoon]

The Angry One wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Granted, while emotion is subjective by nature. I must call into question the legitimacy of your opinion. You are claiming ME3's conclusion drew greater emotion from you than the confrontation with Sovereign/Saren's demise and the Suicide Mission, because I frankly find that difficult to believe. Care to explain in what way ME3's ending had such a profound effect on you?

ME1 and ME2 had virtually no emotional impact on me. I can say that honestly. Neither game drew real emotion from me, other than Mordin's LM and Jack's LM. I've never been able to "feel" Mass Effect.

However, ME3 was everything those games were not. There were probably half a dozen times I got a genuine lump in my throat, and even though I've never really felt anything for him, the final chat with Garrus brought tears to my eyes.

For me, Mass Effect 3 had more emotion to it than both other MEs and both DAs [only BW games I've played(other than SC:TDB)]

So basically because you can disregard the first two games it's fine for you.
If you can't see what a massive storytelling failure that is right there for those of us who have in fact invested in all 3 games, I doubt you're much of a writer.

Well to be fair I agree in that multiple times during the game I got choked up. But none of it had to do with the ending, which had the specific effect of emotionally DEtaching me from everything I had come to care about.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 28 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[majormajormmajor]

Oh shi- all four of the pro-ending people in one thread to achieve the best possible concentration for their pitiful numbers

wtf we gonna do do

[The Angry One]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

What would that be?

ME1: The synthetics want to kill organics
ME2: The Geth continue killing organics. Only at the very end of the game, when you get the last squad member, when there is literally only one more main quest mission to go, do you learn different.

Mass Effect does not have a history of saying synthetics and organics can coexist.

There are a couple of missions total that involve Geth before you meet Legion in ME2, who has heavy exposition fleshing out the true Geth.
Even in ME1 there were hints that the Geth were more than they seemed.

And you ignore that in ME3 it flat out beats you over the head with the concept that the Geth are truly peaceful and victims of organic belligerence. ME3 violates it's OWN themes more than that of the other two games in the ending.