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[BlacJAC74]

Getorex wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Nope the general jist of the ending was in keeping with the series. My only problem was with the execution.

No it wasn't.  ME1 - happy ending  ME2 - happy ending possible

The theme of the game was NOT sacrifice and death.  It was tolerance, setting aside differences to work together, etc.  At NO time in ME1 or 2 did I ever think, "This whole thing is about the ultimate sad sacrifice."

Balderdash, pishposh, baloney, nonsense, phooie on "death/suicide" as a 'theme'.

You were playing a totally different game than most other people.

Go outside and have a cry, mate, you're talking all this stuff too seriously.  It's only a game.

Yep, just a game the same way the Harry Potter stories were just that, stories, or movies.  Think of the uproar if they had ended with Harry going off his nut and becoming a savage rapist/murderer and getting killed.  But it would be just a story/movie.  Except things like that aren't "just" anything. 

You are obviously one who doesn't give a flying f*ck for narrative, logic, story, and is just in it for the boom-boom.  That's fine as far as it goes but for those who are in it for more than just boom-boom, the story is the thing.

I don't want a play or movie of "Hamlet" to end with a flying saucer swooping in and preventing Hamlet from killing himself...THAT would not fit with the story and it would be retarded to boot.  Simply declaring, "Shepard dies" and making it so for ALL endings regardless of how you play, regardless of what decisions you make in the entire series, etc, is a slap in the face of the people tht matter: the fans.  

No one in their right mind would go out and design a game that people will be angry with, or return, or only play once and trash-talk it to anyone who asks.  THAT is what YOUR beloved ending has wrought.  That's just bad business and shoddy storytelling.

Here we go again.  The only way you can get your point across is by belittling others, writing inane comments and trying to be patronising.  Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired, buddy.  Do you feel your points are so worthless that the only way you think you'll be listened to is by stamping on the  inane nonsense at the end of each sentence?

Because of this any valid points that may be hidden within your posts become irrelevant. 

Seriously, would you sit down with your family members, friends or work colleagues and discuss ME3 in this manner?  I suspect you wouldn't, because lets face it, getting so emotional over a game that you have to resort to insulting people, isn't the done thing.

Modifié par BlacJAC74, 28 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[Getorex]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Nope the general jist of the ending was in keeping with the series. My only problem was with the execution.

No it wasn't.  ME1 - happy ending  ME2 - happy ending possible

The theme of the game was NOT sacrifice and death.  It was tolerance, setting aside differences to work together, etc.  At NO time in ME1 or 2 did I ever think, "This whole thing is about the ultimate sad sacrifice."

Balderdash, pishposh, baloney, nonsense, phooie on "death/suicide" as a 'theme'.

You were playing a totally different game than most other people.

Go outside and have a cry, mate, you're talking all this stuff too seriously.  It's only a game.

Yep, just a game the same way the Harry Potter stories were just that, stories, or movies.  Think of the uproar if they had ended with Harry going off his nut and becoming a savage rapist/murderer and getting killed.  But it would be just a story/movie.  Except things like that aren't "just" anything. 

You are obviously one who doesn't give a flying f*ck for narrative, logic, story, and is just in it for the boom-boom.  That's fine as far as it goes but for those who are in it for more than just boom-boom, the story is the thing.

I don't want a play or movie of "Hamlet" to end with a flying saucer swooping in and preventing Hamlet from killing himself...THAT would not fit with the story and it would be retarded to boot.  Simply declaring, "Shepard dies" and making it so for ALL endings regardless of how you play, regardless of what decisions you make in the entire series, etc, is a slap in the face of the people tht matter: the fans.  

No one in their right mind would go out and design a game that people will be angry with, or return, or only play once and trash-talk it to anyone who asks.  THAT is what YOUR beloved ending has wrought.  That's just bad business and shoddy storytelling.

Here we go again.  The only way you can get your point across is by belittling others, writing inane comments and trying to be patronising.  Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired, buddy.

Because of this any valid points that may be hidden within your posts become irrelevant. 

Seriously, would you sit down with your family members, friends or work colleagues and discuss ME3 in this manner?  I suspect you wouldn't, because lets face it, getting so emotional over a game that you have to resort to insulting people, isn't the done thing.

Quote/uquote "step outside and have a cry mate...blah blah"  Kettle, meet the pot.

I absolutely would and do speak the way I write when someone keeps repeating patently incorrect or absurd statements (there really was an adam and eve, black is white, white is black, microevolution is real but not macroevolution, etc).  Nonsense, especially repeated again and again, serves up its own dismissive reply.

[sedrikhcain]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Nope the general jist of the ending was in keeping with the series. My only problem was with the execution.

I am amazed that anyone thinks this. Are you serious? That's an honest, straightforward question.

[SeventyOne]

I prefer a DA:O sacrifice like ending over anything else. With closure of course.

[LolaLei]

I'd like a happy ending, nothing OTT just Shepard being reunited with his/her crew/love interest and for the relays not to blow up.

[78stonewobble]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Here we go again.  The only way you can get your point across is by belittling others, writing inane comments and trying to be patronising.  Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired, buddy.

Because of this any valid points that may be hidden within your posts become irrelevant. 

Seriously, would you sit down with your family members, friends or work colleagues and discuss ME3 in this manner?  I suspect you wouldn't, because lets face it, getting so emotional over a game that you have to resort to insulting people, isn't the done thing.

You were kinda condescending yourself and you really shouldn't try to tell people what or who they should value in their lives.

[BlacJAC74]

Getorex wrote...

Quote/uquote "step outside and have a cry mate...blah blah"  Kettle, meet the pot.

I absolutely would and do speak the way I write when someone keeps repeating patently incorrect or absurd statements (there really was an adam and eve, black is white, white is black, microevolution is real but not macroevolution, etc).  Nonsense, especially repeated again and again, serves up its own dismissive reply.

I'm going to leave this now as it's obvious you're getting a bit too emotional here for my liking. I suppose it takes all kinds.  Bye, buddy.

[bazzag]

I would love a happy ending. I would love shep to be able to have that happy ever after with his LI.
Having said that, i'm quite happy with bittersweet, it just has to be done well, which, unfortunately, the ending isn't.

[BlacJAC74]

78stonewobble wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Here we go again.  The only way you can get your point across is by belittling others, writing inane comments and trying to be patronising.  Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired, buddy.

Because of this any valid points that may be hidden within your posts become irrelevant. 

Seriously, would you sit down with your family members, friends or work colleagues and discuss ME3 in this manner?  I suspect you wouldn't, because lets face it, getting so emotional over a game that you have to resort to insulting people, isn't the done thing.

You were kinda condescending yourself and you really shouldn't try to tell people what or who they should value in their lives.

i'm not telling anyone what they should and shouldn't value in their lives, i just can't get my head around why someone would get so emotional over a game.  After all, the clue is in the name a 'game'.  Then there was his inane sucide comment, which was just baffling to say the least.

Modifié par BlacJAC74, 28 mars 2012 - 01:39 .

[ungodlike]

The happiest ending I can imagine (regardless of whether Shepard dies, not saying there shouldn't be any choice in it) Is to watch the Reapers go down in flames and watch the entire galaxy grind their collective sythetic/organic circuit boards into dust and move on to future whether my Shepard lives or no he would die happy with satisfaction

I would be happy with that.

[Xenogias]

I dont need or want a happy ending for Shep. It just doesnt fit imo. Shep kind of reminds me of Ender (Enders game). Just couldnt be the same after everything he/she has been through. Though the "happy ending" COULD have come in what happens to all the other characters.

[Erenbe]

I'm a sucker for happy ends....so yeah...I'd like one!

[JBONE27]

Random Geth wrote...

Eh...maybe. But ONLY if you do everything a certain way. Get all the allies possible, max out your EMS and everything. I'm fine with bittersweet, and think that if there IS any happy ending, it should be one you have to bust your butt getting.

This

[Getorex]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Here we go again.  The only way you can get your point across is by belittling others, writing inane comments and trying to be patronising.  Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired, buddy.

Because of this any valid points that may be hidden within your posts become irrelevant. 

Seriously, would you sit down with your family members, friends or work colleagues and discuss ME3 in this manner?  I suspect you wouldn't, because lets face it, getting so emotional over a game that you have to resort to insulting people, isn't the done thing.

You were kinda condescending yourself and you really shouldn't try to tell people what or who they should value in their lives.

i'm not telling anyone what they should and shouldn't value in their lives, i just can't get my head around why someone would get so emotional over a game.  After all, the clue is in the name a 'game'.  Then there was his inane sucide comment, which was just baffling to say the least.

I will apologize for getting somewhat nasty with you, but the suicide comment is supposed to be baffling, just as the idea that suicide in the game, no matter what, is artsy, worthy, logical, or even coherent.  The ending as is, in so many ways, layers and layers like an onion, is nonsensical and arbitrarily so. 

After spending 100+ hours on the entire series, ~$140+ (games plus DLC), and then get the buildup and advertising for the third and last in the series...you're damn right I'm angry (along with a LOT of other people) over the way the entire franchise was tossed on the crap pile with a slipshod bullsh*t ending that renders all the time and imagination and money spent prior over the years a TOTAL waste. 

I got my money back but the nasty taste lingers.  Like eating a bad batch of pine nuts (try it sometime...it is very very memorable in a bad way).  Bioware said they wanted to go for "memorable" so it is bad pine nuts memorable they got.

Modifié par Getorex, 28 mars 2012 - 01:53 .

[HowlingSiren]

Earth and most civilized planets are ravaged. The mass relays are destroyed. Millions are dead. Characters we know and love are dead. Anyone who survives is forever scarred.

In that context, what exactly about Shepard surviving and being reunited with at least his LI or crew is "sunshine and rainbows"? Of course there's room for a "happy ending" and I would definitely welcome one. Because again, in that context, it cannot be deemed "happy". It's the bittersweet ending they should have been aiming for.

[DeinonSlayer]

As it is right now, ME3 has no replay value. None.

That's why I'm a proponent of the Refuse ending. Shepard simply refuses to choose any of the options presented now, and lets the battle play out to its natural conclusion, giving us four new outcomes depending on your degree of preparation.

* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn, like with the current Shepard Lives/Destroy ending)

It would be easy for them to implement, too. See the poll in my sig for a more detailed description. Refuse ending would carry its own sacrifice, and its own set of troubling implications for the future. The fleet you brought with you would be almost totally destroyed in the process, even if they won the fight. Instead of the quiet stagnation of starving colonies and isolated, limping core worlds that we have with the relays being destroyed, there would be absolute chaos.

Given the massive shifts in power Shepard has instituted, and the losses everyone has absorbed, any scenario where the relays survive would leave the galaxy in unrest. All species would still be in contact with each other - but they're not necessarily ready for that.  The humanitarian crisis would be somewhat averted, but in its place we'd have a political ****storm that would have made Udina blanch, and an open foundation for future wars. The Turians don't have their fleet anymore, which was the foundation of their power. Imagine what the Krogan would do after the war if they learned they were duped with a fake cure, and still had relay access. The power struggles would be massive, and Shepard wouldn't be the most popular guy in the galaxy, having stood by and watched the fleet get torn apart if (s)he had the opportunity to end it at any time. Even if Shepard got to settle down with their LI, they'd likely have to go into hiding for his/her own protection. I had no interest in being a "legend" anyway...

On top of all this, there would still be living Reapers. This would bear uncertain implications for the future.

This, in my opinion, would be consistent with the themes of self-determination, unity, and, yes, sacrifice. This "happy" ending bears its own unique set of problems, but they're problems I can live with. At least we'd have some actual variety...

Thoughts?

[Getorex]

Nina88 wrote...

Earth and most civilized planets are ravaged. The mass relays are destroyed. Millions are dead. Characters we know and love are dead. Anyone who survives is forever scarred.

In that context, what exactly about Shepard surviving and being reunited with at least his LI or crew is "sunshine and rainbows"? Of course there's room for a "happy ending" and I would definitely welcome one. Because again, in that context, it cannot be deemed "happy". It's the bittersweet ending they should have been aiming for.

Yes.  My grandfather fought in WWI as a foot soldier.  He got permanently maimed by a mustard gas attack.  He got a "happy" ending by suriving THE worst combat in the 20th century, reunited with his "LI", made babies, one of which was my father.  So...sacrifice and pain and suffering are 100% in tune with "happy endings" - but happy is a relative term.  It could have been MUCH "happier" or it could have been "happy" with much worse conditions, or it could have been disastrous and ended with death or sterility instead of "just" maiming.  Since real life is compatible with a bazillion "happy endings" every single day, so can ME be.  Is it over-the-top to compare WW1 to ME3?  Yes and no.  Yes because WW1 was REAL, no because it clearly demonstrates that "realistic" and "worthy" endings are not ones where the "hero" croaks and everyone else is screwed and mourning as they await their own demise.  

[BlacJAC74]

Getorex wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Here we go again.  The only way you can get your point across is by belittling others, writing inane comments and trying to be patronising.  Your debating skills leave a lot to be desired, buddy.

Because of this any valid points that may be hidden within your posts become irrelevant. 

Seriously, would you sit down with your family members, friends or work colleagues and discuss ME3 in this manner?  I suspect you wouldn't, because lets face it, getting so emotional over a game that you have to resort to insulting people, isn't the done thing.

You were kinda condescending yourself and you really shouldn't try to tell people what or who they should value in their lives.

i'm not telling anyone what they should and shouldn't value in their lives, i just can't get my head around why someone would get so emotional over a game.  After all, the clue is in the name a 'game'.  Then there was his inane sucide comment, which was just baffling to say the least.

I will apologize for getting somewhat nasty with you, but the suicide comment is supposed to be baffling, just as the idea that suicide in the game, no matter what, is artsy, worthy, logical, or even coherent.  The ending as is, in so many ways, layers and layers like an onion, is nonsensical and arbitrarily so. 

After spending 100+ hours on the entire series, ~$140+ (games plus DLC), and then get the buildup and advertising for the third and last in the series...you're damn right I'm angry (along with a LOT of other people) over the way the entire franchise was tossed on the crap pile with a slipshod bullsh*t ending that renders all the time and imagination and money spent prior over the years a TOTAL waste. 

I got my money back but the nasty taste lingers.  Like eating a bad batch of pine nuts (try it sometime...it is very very memorable in a bad way).  Bioware said they wanted to go for "memorable" so it is bad pine nuts memorable they got.

i apologise for being a dick. 'Tis all good.

[OzzyJack]

Damn Bioware, I just want my choice at the end, good or bad, and not some crap plot device dictating the story to a nigh-on mute hero/anti-hero.

Still in disbelief at that ending....

[xentar]

Sure would. Doesn't seem wrong at all.

[Getorex]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

As it is right now, ME3 has no replay value. None.

That's why I'm a proponent of the Refuse ending. Shepard simply refuses to choose any of the options presented now, and lets the battle play out to its natural conclusion, giving us four new outcomes depending on your degree of preparation.

* Reapers win, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Cycle continues (Liara Archive epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy destroyed in battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Memorial epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard dies, Relays intact (Funeral epilogue)
* Reapers defeated, Normandy survives battle, Shepard lives, Relays intact (LI/crew reunion, hardest to earn, like with the current Shepard Lives/Destroy ending)

It would be easy for them to implement, too. See the poll in my sig for a more detailed description. Refuse ending would carry its own sacrifice, and its own set of troubling implications for the future. The fleet you brought with you would be almost totally destroyed in the process, even if they won the fight. Instead of the quiet stagnation of starving colonies and isolated, limping core worlds that we have with the relays being destroyed, there would be absolute chaos.

Given the massive shifts in power Shepard has instituted, and the losses everyone has absorbed, any scenario where the relays survive would leave the galaxy in unrest. All species would still be in contact with each other - but they're not necessarily ready for that.  The humanitarian crisis would be somewhat averted, but in its place we'd have a political ****storm that would have made Udina blanch, and an open foundation for future wars. The Turians don't have their fleet anymore, which was the foundation of their power. Imagine what the Krogan would do after the war if they learned they were duped with a fake cure, and still had relay access. The power struggles would be massive, and Shepard wouldn't be the most popular guy in the galaxy, having stood by and watched the fleet get torn apart if (s)he had the opportunity to end it at any time. Even if Shepard got to settle down with their LI, they'd likely have to go into hiding for his/her own protection. I had no interest in being a "legend" anyway...

On top of all this, there would still be living Reapers. This would bear uncertain implications for the future.

This, in my opinion, would be consistent with the themes of self-determination, unity, and, yes, sacrifice. This "happy" ending bears its own unique set of problems, but they're problems I can live with. At least we'd have some actual variety...

Thoughts?

I'd take it over the current ending.  It would work and "fit' the storyline. Or being partisan and self-promoting, my own ending or a combo of your ending and my own (bringing Dark Energy mentioned in ME2 but totally blown off in ME3 back in): http://social.biowar...5656/1#10706878

[DeinonSlayer]

Getorex wrote...

Nina88 wrote...

Earth and most civilized planets are ravaged. The mass relays are destroyed. Millions are dead. Characters we know and love are dead. Anyone who survives is forever scarred.

In that context, what exactly about Shepard surviving and being reunited with at least his LI or crew is "sunshine and rainbows"? Of course there's room for a "happy ending" and I would definitely welcome one. Because again, in that context, it cannot be deemed "happy". It's the bittersweet ending they should have been aiming for.

Yes.  My grandfather fought in WWI as a foot soldier.  He got permanently maimed by a mustard gas attack.  He got a "happy" ending by suriving THE worst combat in the 20th century, reunited with his "LI", made babies, one of which was my father.  So...sacrifice and pain and suffering are 100% in tune with "happy endings" - but happy is a relative term.  It could have been MUCH "happier" or it could have been "happy" with much worse conditions, or it could have been disastrous and ended with death or sterility instead of "just" maiming.  Since real life is compatible with a bazillion "happy endings" every single day, so can ME be.  Is it over-the-top to compare WW1 to ME3?  Yes and no.  Yes because WW1 was REAL, no because it clearly demonstrates that "realistic" and "worthy" endings are not ones where the "hero" croaks and everyone else is screwed and mourning as they await their own demise.  

^This.

[rfalzar]

Happy ending every time? No. An option to have a happy ending? Most definitely. It's a game defined by player choice and to not have endings that reflect this (in a big way I mean, not just the multi-colored endings) is kinda of a slap to the face to every fan as well as the franchise.

[Travie]

To make this a 'happy' ending would be very easy. Just make our decisions matter and explain in detail what happened afterwards.

Simple.

[MoldySpore]

The OPTION of a happier ending would be nice. I don't want the happy ending to be the only ending. But I don't see the problem with having an ending that, while it will be sad cause the galaxy has been ravaged by the reapers, there can still be a happy ending that shows you and your crew after the fact, in peace time, hanging out, beach with garrus, you and your love interest on XYZ planet building a life, etc.

People who don't think there should be an ending like this just aren't being considerate of what other people's expectations were for the ending. Just because you don't want it doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good ending to include.

If you saved all of your crew members (except for storyline deaths that can't be avoided such as Ashley/Kaiden) and were Paragon through all 3 games, I don't see a reason why you can't get a more happy ending that doesn't include all the negatives and plotholes created in the current 3 endings.