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[Amaterasuomikami]

Getorex wrote...

Not really.  If you don't own the game or have it registered, you cannot post to the spoiler forums.  I HAD the game, I played it to within a fraction of a percent of the ending and quit, returned it.

That's your choice.

I am fully qualified to speak out about it but have no forum here within which to do it...except here in the general discussion forums.

BUZZ! Wrong answer. There are thousands of other forums on the internet. And if you want to complaint to Bioware, you can email them. You don't have to post here.

Besides, the horses are WAY out of the barn on the whole spoiler ending thing.  Almost everyone knows the end is a total disaster for the game, a disaster from a publicity and PR standpoint.

I disagree. Sure, a lot of people have heard of the complaints but they don't know what the complaint is - unless they're so stupid to read the spoilers. But having thread titles like "who else would love a happy ending" is a big signpost as to what happens at the end of the game.

Way I see it, we are helping people who haven't yet played or haven't yet purchased.  They can choose not to play and send that sucker back or not spend the money at all.

Or maybe they would prefer to play without being told about why they might not like the ending.

It seems more to me that the mega-critics are throwing a tantrum and don't care whether or not it spoils it for others.

[Little Princess Peach]

I would love a happy ending to see all my crewmates save and sound and a reunion with the LI

[IElitePredatorI]

I want a happy ending with Tali on Rannoch !  
Also, to chill out with Garrus...

[AlanC9]

Amaterasuomikami wrote...
Or maybe they would prefer to play without being told about why they might not like the ending.

It seems more to me that the mega-critics are throwing a tantrum and don't care whether or not it spoils it for others.

Yep. But as long as they keep it out of the thread titles it isn't too bad. This thread's title is slightly spoilerizing since anyone reading it will know that the existing endings aren't particularly happy. Actually reading such a thread is pretty damn reckless if you don't want the endings spoiled, though; exactly what are people going to be talking about in a thread about the endings but the endings?

Hey, Getorex, how come you didn't finish the game? You got that far and decided to watch the endings on YouTube.... why?

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Amaterasuomikami wrote...
Or maybe they would prefer to play without being told about why they might not like the ending.

It seems more to me that the mega-critics are throwing a tantrum and don't care whether or not it spoils it for others.

Yep. But as long as they keep it out of the thread titles it isn't too bad. This thread's title is slightly spoilerizing since anyone reading it will know that the existing endings aren't particularly happy. Actually reading such a thread is pretty damn reckless if you don't want the endings spoiled, though; exactly what are people going to be talking about in a thread about the endings but the endings?

Hey, Getorex, how come you didn't finish the game? You got that far and decided to watch the endings on YouTube.... why?

It was impossible to miss the rumblings about the disastrous ending.  I hang around the forums while I play and generally avoid spoiler discussions - using the forums to learn about DLC or announcements about fixes, etc.  I resisted looking into the ending and kept playing .  My love of the series up to that point prevented me from looking the vids...but then I blinked and CHOSE to look into it because I was getting VERY close to the point of no return.  First I read things about how bad the ending was without watching any vids and worked my up to it.  I didn't want to PERSONALLY experience the ending hoping to save some love.  Then the Bioware statements started coming out about how the ending is what the ending is, there is no change, the developer notes came out, etc.  One thing led to another.  

I held out not telling my sister or father about the ending for a while.  Finally, I simply told them there is a "problem" with the game - that they would HATE the way it ends and if they wanted to keep their love for the game, stop before going into the beam at the end.  I told them there is SOME hope of a change.  

They are NOT pleased with the ending.  Not at all. 

Modifié par Getorex, 28 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[Sebbe1337o]

That should be one of the endings. That + closure would be the perfect DLC.

[DeinonSlayer]

IElitePredatorI wrote...

I want a happy ending with Tali on Rannoch !  
Also, to chill out with Garrus...

That is what I was hoping to earn at the end of it all. I was willing to work as hard as I had to to get it. I expected problems. I expected big problems with the state of the galaxy after the dust finally settled. But what those two got is so much worse than what I ever would have imagined Bioware could stoop to...

There are no endings worth earning. You've got to work hard to retroactively destroy the replay value of three otherwise-excellent games in under ten minutes, but they did it.

Congratulations?

[AlanC9]

Destroy the replay value? Didn't destroy mine.

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Destroy the replay value? Didn't destroy mine.

Good for you. How would giving the rest of their customer base the same satisfaction detract from your experience? It would be like objecting to the game altogether because of optional gay romance paths.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 28 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Destroy the replay value? Didn't destroy mine.

Happy for you.  Someone has to be in the 1 out of 10 that actually likes it.  Otherwise it wouldn't be 90:10 against, it would be 100:0 against.  There's ALWAYS stragglers.

[AlanC9]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Destroy the replay value? Didn't destroy mine.

Good for you. How would giving the rest of their fanbase the same satisfaction detract from your experience? It would be like objecting to the game altogether because of optional gay romance paths.

That's silly. It isn't like optional romances at all. Unless the happy ending is one that not all Shepards would want to achieve -- in which case it isn't really "happy" -- I'm going to have to deliberately screw up to avoid getting it.

Like I've said elsewhere, I'm fine with an optional ending that has a serious downside, like getting a few hundred million more people killed while you work on collecting more EMS points. As long as the game really rubs that fact in your face, of course.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Destroy the replay value? Didn't destroy mine.

Happy for you.  Someone has to be in the 1 out of 10 that actually likes it.  Otherwise it wouldn't be 90:10 against, it would be 100:0 against.  There's ALWAYS stragglers.

Didn't say I thought the ending was all that good. Just that it didn't destroy replay value.

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Destroy the replay value? Didn't destroy mine.

Good for you. How would giving the rest of their fanbase the same satisfaction detract from your experience? It would be like objecting to the game altogether because of optional gay romance paths.

That's silly. It isn't like optional romances at all. Unless the happy ending is one that not all Shepards would want to achieve -- in which case it isn't really "happy" -- I'm going to have to deliberately screw up to avoid getting it.

Like I've said elsewhere, I'm fine with an optional ending that has a serious downside, like getting a few hundred million more people killed while you work on collecting more EMS points. As long as the game really rubs that fact in your face, of course.

I thought it would be appropriate for Earth to be in worse shape the longer you took to prepare. The longer you're running around solving everyone else's problems and building a stronger fleet, the longer the reapers have been on Earth, after all.

The Refuse ending I had proposed had a one-in-four chance of Shepard and the crew surviving. The downside was that nearly your entire fleet is destroyed, the galaxy is in political chaos with the potential for more wars to break out, and, unlike any of the current endings, there are reapers still alive, uncontrolled and unconvinced. Though badly weakened, they are not gone, and there's no telling when they'll be back.

I believe in balance, too.

[Rache123]

I deal with enough misery in my everyday working life, I don't need it in my gaming world as well.......hell yes I wanted (the choice of) a happy ending!

[stevadel]

I could do with a happy ending choice. It's okay that there are some darker endings but an"shepard get's united with his friends and LI" ending would be nice two.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Can't say I care, but the more options the better. You can't exactly claim "wildly divergent" endings if each one of them is rock falls, everyone dies.

[sheppard7]

I'd be happy with an ending where Shepard sacrifices himself/herself to destroy the Reapers and everyone else lives with mass relays intact, no Joker coward scene, and the friends still alive attending Shep's funeral. So even the ME2 squaddies would be in attendance.

It would have been a better closure than what we got.

[Oldbones2]

I think at this point there needs to be a VARIETY of endings if BW wants to satisfy most of the fan base.

I do think that if there is ONLY ONE new ending available (instead of clarification) then it should probably be a happy ending to better separate it from the others.

Also bittersweet but poignant endings that drive home a theme tend to only work if they are delivered PERFECTLY. Whereas a happy ending will work fine on most stories. In fact while most edgy endings are great the first time, they tend to loose most of their impact for the second viewing. This is a fact Bioware should remember well.

For example Sixth Sense. Great ending, great movie. The first time you watched it, it worked great because it built expectations throughout the film and then shattered them at the last second. But you don't watch with any real interest a second time because ... well the ending invalidates the journey.


Contrast with Star Wars. The first time you watch the ending is great (because its a great ending) but it isn't quite as powerful as the Sixth Sense. However the ending doesn't lose very much impact with subsequent viewings. All the things that made it great are still there. The triumph of good and all that.


I should point out that I am HUGELY biased. My two favorite TV Tropes are 'what you are in the dark.' and 'Earn your happy ending'.

[oblique9]

stevadel wrote...

I could do with a happy ending choice. It's okay that there are some darker endings but an"shepard get's united with his friends and LI" ending would be nice two.

This.

I don't play games to enter into a world worse than that from which I am trying to escape.

[DeinonSlayer]

@Oldbones2
"Earn your happy ending"

A lot of us are willing to do that. I've never done anything less than a completionist playthrough of the first two titles, because I wanted to be as well-prepared as possible.

[clipped_wolf]

Sure. A happy ending would be nice, but I would settle for one that addressed things like theme consistency, lore consistency, and acknowledged all my previous choices. I don't think a happy ending would be necessary, but a reward for all my completionist playthroughs would be much appreciated.

[Tietj]

I would like a happy ending, by which I mean a happy ending for Shepard and crew. There's enough sacrifice in the game to justify "The Theme of Sacrifice" that everyone is talking about.

[Aristorum]

No, I don't want a happy ending. I want a GOOD ending. One that follows the themes and plot of the previous two games. As a player, I want the game to make me feel.
All I got from the ending were questions, disappointment, and confusion.

[davo058]

happy ending doesn't automatically mean bad. bioware may have faltered at points but i trust they could write something that would allow people to feel accomplishment and that shepard and his/her LI has a future. like a previous poster said, it doesn't need to be some disney ending, but i think it can still be positive. i just hope the loud, arrogant, mean voices that shout out on these forums don't drown out the more reasonable, calm voices that try to put across their opinions.

[CARL_DF90]

Heh, at this point ANY other ending than the three-color axis we have now would be a good one.  Heck, even an "ALL IS LOST!" ending would have nice too. 

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 02 avril 2012 - 09:25 .