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[CARL_DF90]

Same here.

[pwoodboerne]

Great Video

[BigBody26]

Casey Hudson, Mac Walters, and the rest of Bioware need to watch this video. It is very well done and makes many good points.

[CARL_DF90]

Not only that, but it is also one of the few youtube vids I find entertaining enough to watch one than once.

[khantron]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

Icemix wrote...

The response from the ME3 twitter regarding this video was "Wow. 40 minutes long."
*sigh*

Okay, that bothers me a lot more than it probably should.

Bioware: "The fans are being whiny and entitled, because they didn't get exactly the ending they wanted." (I'm aware that it's game "journalists" not bioware that's actually saying this, but for the sake of narrative I'm ignoring that.)

Fans: "No this is the problem with the ending" *Posts video*

Bioware: "TL;DNW"

[SwitchN7]

Nice touch

Modifié par SwitchN7, 11 avril 2012 - 08:39 .

[PaxtonFetel]

Give the people what they want. Let it be 2 options 1) immutable artistic 2) for the people (Shepard alive and plump with friends in Tahiti). :innocent:

Modifié par PaxtonFetel, 11 avril 2012 - 09:08 .

[shootist70]

I gave up about 6 minutes in, during all the waffle about genre, sub-genre, Star Trek and 'talky and techy' sci-fi. The guy needs to look up the term 'space opera.'

Modifié par shootist70, 11 avril 2012 - 09:41 .

[PaxtonFetel]

Space opera - one of the sub-genres of adventure, science fiction. The term "space Opera" was first introduced in 1940 Wilson Tucker, who used it to refer quickie commercial science fiction. {wikipedia}

[philippe willaume]

good video

[Cyne]

This is the best 'complain about the ending' video I've ever seen. Kudos.

[shootist70]

PaxtonFetel wrote...

Space opera - one of the sub-genres of adventure, science fiction. The term "space Opera" was first introduced in 1940 Wilson Tucker, who used it to refer quickie commercial science fiction. {wikipedia}

Ummm...I have no idea why you chose to quote that bit, but here's a quick and simple explanation for you:
 'Space Opera' is essentialy 'Soap Opera' in space, and that's pretty much what the ME series is.

Why on Earth the guy in the Youtube vid found it necessary to waffle for a good 10 minutes or so about Star Trek and 'problem solving' is beyond me. Didn't it occur to him that characters solving problems is a part of most fiction? Or that parties of characters going around solving problems has been a staple of sci-fi/fantasy since Lord of the Rings and Conan...ah, hang on, it's actually since The Odyssey, about 3000 years ago. No revelation there, then.

If the rest of the vid is that badly informed and educated, I wince inwardly for the folks on this thread who seem to have liked it/learned from it.

I'm probably being very uncharitable. I blame it on my toothache.

Modifié par shootist70, 11 avril 2012 - 10:30 .

[PaxtonFetel]

English is not my native. I don half was not understood from the fact that he had spoken to this guy from the video. However, I agree that the ending is not equal to the game. The final as if torn from the dark Fantasy Howard Phillips Lovecraft.
That is if someone writes a book detective and can't think of a way for it to end. He can now drop the meteorite at all, so without saying who the culprit is. And say this is my artistic opinion !

Modifié par PaxtonFetel, 11 avril 2012 - 10:21 .

[SwitchN7]

shootist70 wrote...

PaxtonFetel wrote...

Space opera - one of the sub-genres of adventure, science fiction. The term "space Opera" was first introduced in 1940 Wilson Tucker, who used it to refer quickie commercial science fiction. {wikipedia}

Ummm...I have no idea why you chose to quote that bit, but here's a quick and simple explanation for you:
 'Space Opera' is essentialy 'Soap Opera' in space, and that's pretty much what the ME series is.

Why on Earth the guy in the Youtube vid found it necessary to waffle for a good 10 minutes or so about Star Trek and 'problem solving' is beyond me. Didn't it occur to him that characters solving problems is a part of most fiction? Or that parties of characters going around solving problems has been a staple of sci-fi/fantasy since Lord of the Rings and Conan...ah, hang on, it's actually since The Odyssey, about 3000 years ago. No revelation there, then.

If the rest of the vid is that badly informed and educated, I wince inwardly for the folks on this thread who seem to have liked it/learned from it.

I'm probably being very uncharitable. I blame it on my toothache.

The guy on youtube 'waffled' on to offer context to people watching his vid.And it's perfectly ok.Actually i consider it to be a nice thing and some people appreciate it

Modifié par SwitchN7, 11 avril 2012 - 01:06 .

[Ivran]

BUMP!!!
Here are his 2nd and 3rd vids Good job MrBtongue (youtube)
2 (BW and EA) -
3 (dlc an ext.) -

[CARL_DF90]

Oh, definitely! Great work there. They are all both informative and entertaining at the same time, which is crucial if you are trying to keep the viewer's attention.

[Repearized Miranda]

I've watched them all and totally on board.

Honestly, I think they tried to push too many ideas: Indoctrination being the hardest pushed and changed up at the last minute - afraid we'd catch on. I think we would if that's been shoved down our throats the entire series ...

Yet, you so suddenly abandon it - which I think they didn't at all. They just won't come right out and say it! It's the most logical and consistent explanation - despite the Star-child irking people. And good grief, all the dressing up concerning him. It can't be anything else, but ...

I've heard Saren and TIM cited so much, it's not even funny and you actually say that to TIM's face.

Take Garrus on the first N7 mission ...

Notice how the blue ending option is pushed so hard. It's the same thing just another word for it.

I've seen more than that theory, but all the theories I've heard do a good job of explaining each. The ending isn't all that, but the discussions are really entertaining, insightful and informative.

[RaggieRags]

shootist70 wrote...

Ummm...I have no idea why you chose to quote that bit, but here's a quick and simple explanation for you:
 'Space Opera' is essentialy 'Soap Opera' in space, and that's pretty much what the ME series is.

Why on Earth the guy in the Youtube vid found it necessary to waffle for a good 10 minutes or so about Star Trek and 'problem solving' is beyond me. Didn't it occur to him that characters solving problems is a part of most fiction? Or that parties of characters going around solving problems has been a staple of sci-fi/fantasy since Lord of the Rings and Conan...ah, hang on, it's actually since The Odyssey, about 3000 years ago. No revelation there, then.

The point is that the focus of the series is on character interaction (vs. action) and technology (vs. space fantasy like Star Wars, which relies heavily on "space magic"). In the last minutes of the story, ME3 switched focus completely away from the characters and swapped scientific credibility to space magic. Remember how people complained about midichlorians in Star wars? That's because it doesn't belong to the genre. The midichlorians were a "scientific" explanation to something that was supposed to be mystic. Same thing.

It doesn't really matter if you consider ME a space opera or "talky or techy", the same complaint stands. The end of ME3 was not about the characters anymore.

Sorry to hear about your toothache, I hope you're feeling better.

[Amioran]

SwitchN7 wrote...

As the title says.A great great video worth the lenght.



*Spoilers* ...Enjoy.

1. Socratic Excercise: It doesn't need a logical deduction from beginning to end to work, at all. On the contrary the most useful SE is when all the parameters to base a logic upon are NOT present or there's a contradiction inside the exercise. So all the video says is false and the guy has no idea of what a SE really is. Failed the first time

2. Talk & Techy etc: there's a philosophical theme behind the narrative of ME, introduced by the synthetics. It is called "order vs. chaos". I've written about this countless of times. Nobody (EDIT: here naturally) seem to know one bit about it even if their (of the people here) principal religion is based on the same. Ever heard about the Bible?

3. Talk & Techy cont.: given the above the Catalyst makes PERFECT SENSE, as it does all the three choices in the end. Since the guy in the video talks of things he just heard but doesn't really understand (as for the SE) he obviously know nothing about that theme and he cannot grasp anything at all and yet he pretends to be an expert judging the narrative. Failed another time.

So no, the video is not "exausthive" or "well done" or "explaining everything". It is just nonsense with an intellectual mask to appeal to the audience, that, being even less erudite that the guy is (that say it all already) believe all he says without either SEARCHING if what he say is correct or not.

In the end: failed all the time and sheep just follow (because that's what they do).

Modifié par Amioran, 18 avril 2012 - 07:07 .