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[ThatDancingTurian]

Chipaway111 wrote...

I. Adore. All. Turians.

I don't know why, probably something to do with all their voices... have you heard Primarch Victus? Adolescent fan-girlism aside a turians culture is centred around military, don't they go into training for it at age 15? Imagine a whole world of that, I don't think a turian civilian (in our sense) exists.

Turians actually have a saying, "There is no such thing as a turian civilian." Service is mandatory and I think every turian can be called back to service if needed.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 28 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[E-Type XR]

The Turians were very relatable, and seemed to be the only Council species who actually appreciated the Reaper threat. Sure, the Asari and Salarians will fight the war, but the Asari are more concerned about diplomacy and the Salarians are only concerned about what will happen after the war is over.

I guess that's why they didn't grate so much. Guess it was an apology for the whole "Ah yes, Reapers".

[CroGamer002]

Turians were always heroic.

[majormajormmajor]

in contrast the salarians were crapped on so krogan fanboys could have their day

[True Zarken]

Turians have always been my favourite race overall in the Mass Effect universe, just everything about them I find very interesting. I see no point in going into details because many others have, but yes they're very heroic in not only ME3, but in the previous installments as well. For some reason I found Saren to be quite heroic as well.

[horacethegrey]

majormajormmajor wrote...

in contrast the salarians were crapped on so krogan fanboys could have their day

I disagree. As cool as the Krogan are, the series never sugarcoats their volatile and selfish nature. And the game makes a compelling case as to why curing them of the genophage is a bad idea. It will really take visionary leaders like Wrex and Eve to lead them to a better future.

And I don't think the Salarians we're 'crapped on'. Yeah, the Dalatrass is a b***h, but the actions of people like Kirrahe and Mordin show us that not all of them agree with her.

[foxlockbox]

horacethegrey wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

in contrast the salarians were crapped on so krogan fanboys could have their day

I disagree. As cool as the Krogan are, the series never sugarcoats their volatile and selfish nature. And the game makes a compelling case as to why curing them of the genophage is a bad idea. It will really take visionary leaders like Wrex and Eve to lead them to a better future.

And I don't think the Salarians we're 'crapped on'. Yeah, the Dalatrass is a b***h, but the actions of people like Kirrahe and Mordin show us that not all of them agree with her.

Still what I wanted to do after Tuchanka was to visit Sur'Kesh and ingite a rebellion against the dalatrass using Mordin's heroism as the oil for the flame, fight effective but quick civil war and have rest of the damn salarians bow to my case. Add a few hard choices, something tragic, loose some of their remaining fleet or something, but I wanted them to see that reapers are the threat here.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

The turians were so needy, though. First they needed the krogan to help them on the ground, then they needed the quarians to help them in the air. And Kal'Reegar had to die helping them.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 28 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[SilentK]

horacethegrey wrote...

I mean, of all the races who ally with you, it seems they're the only ones to actually get their s**t together and recognize the Reaper threat. And let's count the fact that Primarch Victus is probably the most reasonable diplomat you'll ever meet in the game. His son Tarquin also sacrifices his own life to disarm that bomb on Tuchanka. And Garrus... well, is Garrus. Probably the only squadmate who remains loyal to Shepard from the very beginning.

An ironic turn of events don't you think? As the Turians once fought with the human race in the First Contact War, and the main baddie in the first game (Saren) was a Turian Spectre.

*snip*

When you got to Victus I believe that he said something about not being a diplomat but I think he did pretty well for himself. You could reason with him and there was a sense of trust that he would keep his promises. Wish there was some way to save his son on Tuchanka, felt so sad for him when I got the letter afterwards. Saying he was glad his son got the opportunity to prove himself before he died.

[BadlyBrowned]

Chipaway111 wrote...

I. Adore. All. Turians.

I don't know why, probably something to do with all their voices... have you heard Primarch Victus? Adolescent fan-girlism aside a turians culture is centred around military, don't they go into training for it at age 15? Imagine a whole world of that, I don't think a turian civilian (in our sense) exists.

Yeah, Turians seemed to be billed as the Space Spartans of the Mass Effect universe. 

[justafan]

All races are pretty heroic at one point or another.

Turians: reasons stated

Krogan: With something to fight for they waste no time helping their old foes. Also they take down a reaper with a Thresher Maw!

Salarians: The STG knows the score, and many in the military don't hesitate to go against the politicians to help Shepard.

Asari: Ok, they don't do much, but they do give you the destiny ascention

Don't know why everyone is railing on the Quarians, they had some pretty heroic moments as well: Kal'Regar dying to save some Turians, Zal'Koris kamikazeing the ground cannons, the fleet taking out a reaper. Also, the whole reason they are trying to take their homeworld back is so they have a place to keep the civilians while they help the galaxy fight the reapers, something the other species take for granted.

Geth: If peace is achieved, both Geth and Quarians put down old grudges to fight the real threat.

Batarians: Balak of all people can be convinced give the last of the Batarian fleet to his sworn enemies for the greater good.

It was nice to see some responsible leadership for a change, and no airquoting finally! However, it's all mostly a matter of perspective though, if you like a species, your going to see a lot more heroics from them.

[N7Adept]

Turians are awesome.

Here hoping that the next Mass Effect lets you play as a turian character.

[Innocent Erendira]

Would have been nice to see some turian ladies being heroic as well

Just sayin'

[prizm123]

foxlockbox wrote...

 (salarians) were left out, I mean who would betray Wrex? Maybe Wreav, but not Wrex. I guess its because they lack the sex appeal and badassery other races have,.

it is because salarian livers are a delicacy.... and they used to eat flies....... sorry it needed to be said

[Orthodox Infidel]

horacethegrey wrote...

I mean, of all the races who ally with you, it seems they're the only ones to actually get their s**t together and recognize the Reaper threat. And let's count the fact that Primarch Victus is probably the most reasonable diplomat you'll ever meet in the game. His son Tarquin also sacrifices his own life to disarm that bomb on Tuchanka. And Garrus... well, is Garrus. Probably the only squadmate who remains loyal to Shepard from the very beginning.

An ironic turn of events don't you think? As the Turians once fought with the human race in the First Contact War, and the main baddie in the first game (Saren) was a Turian Spectre.

Don't forget the Turian councilor. The one guy who has been a total dick to you throughout the whole series is the first guy to offer you help you need it most, admitting that he was wrong while doing so.

[Jonttu1]

Primarch Victus is big goddam' hero. So is his son. And the new turian councilor wasn't that bad either. I just wish I could have had the chance to tell them that I was going to help them liberate Palaven before even considering Earth.

[ahandsomeshark]

I've never really seen it as heroic, it's kind of what they're trained to do all their lives.

[ahandsomeshark]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

horacethegrey wrote...

I mean, of all the races who ally with you, it seems they're the only ones to actually get their s**t together and recognize the Reaper threat. And let's count the fact that Primarch Victus is probably the most reasonable diplomat you'll ever meet in the game. His son Tarquin also sacrifices his own life to disarm that bomb on Tuchanka. And Garrus... well, is Garrus. Probably the only squadmate who remains loyal to Shepard from the very beginning.

An ironic turn of events don't you think? As the Turians once fought with the human race in the First Contact War, and the main baddie in the first game (Saren) was a Turian Spectre.

Don't forget the Turian councilor. The one guy who has been a total dick to you throughout the whole series is the first guy to offer you help you need it most, admitting that he was wrong while doing so.

well his planet was also burning, where as the Asari and Salarian planets had been untouched.

I think part of it is because the Turians have been handling the major heavy lifting in the policing and military defense of the galaxy for so long the Asari and Salarian's got sort of complacent. I also think part of the reason there was so much tension between human and Turians is because they were so much alike.

[jumpingkaede]

Turians were arguably your best allies. For all the reasons stated above. They also tried to negotiate but at least it was semi-reasonable: Palaven was ALSO being hit. Between defending Palaven or abandoning it, I could see why they wanted some support first before they abandoned their homeworld.

Personally found Wrex and the Krogans completely unreasonable. Don't get me started on the Salarians. Seeing as how neither of their homeworlds were in any danger. It would've cost the Salarians nothing to help Shepard.

Asari were pretty much useless from start to finish. Plus hiding a Prothean Beacon was just... that made no sense, especially after Thessia was hit.

[ahandsomeshark]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Turians were arguably your best allies. For all the reasons stated above. They also tried to negotiate but at least it was semi-reasonable: Palaven was ALSO being hit. Between defending Palaven or abandoning it, I could see why they wanted some support first before they abandoned their homeworld.

Personally found Wrex and the Krogans completely unreasonable. Don't get me started on the Salarians. Seeing as how neither of their homeworlds were in any danger. It would've cost the Salarians nothing to help Shepard.

Asari were pretty much useless from start to finish. Plus hiding a Prothean Beacon was just... that made no sense, especially after Thessia was hit.

^yeah, I can sort of understand the Krogan, since they were dying out anyway (though as much due to their own issues as the genophage) I could understand why they wouldn't be falling over themselves to help the other races, but I really felt like the Salarians and Asari were just very poorly written in this game. They served almost no purpose except to be random interferences, and it made no real sense.

[Raven4030-2]

The Turians are easily my favorite race in the game. I mean, their entire species is basically a love letter to the Roman Empire, with just a hint of samurai (For those who don't follow CDN: The war on Taetrus that is alluded to in ME3 included a duel between the leader of the Turian separatists and a hierarchy general. It is hinted that such duels are common among Turians, and samurai are the only RL group I can think of that formally practiced dueling in times of war).

And although your average Turian seems conservative by nature, I really like their attitude of "Do whatever the f*** you want on your down time, just make sure you do your job." The real world is so full of people judging your every action it's refreshing to see a group (even an entirely fictional group) say to themselves "if it's not actually messing with our well oiled machine, why should we care?"

[LilyasAvalon]

Heroic indeed... among other things.

[Sc2mashimaro]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Personally found Wrex and the Krogans completely unreasonable.

I disagree: see it from Wrex's perspective! The Krogan are a doomed people (at least, they all believe that) already because of the Genophage. So what is the point in fighting to save their race, let alone the two races that doomed them to extinction if they're all just going to die out anyway? It is the curing of the genophage that gives the Krogan enough hope for the future to actually want to fight for it. The fact that the Turians were involved in helping cure it restores just enough good will in them to help hold Palaven. The Turians and Krogans were certainly the most sensible.

The Salarians and Asari were incredibly selfish, possibly because they were not being attacked. Where the Krogan are always ready to fight and the Turians are already fighting the Reapers, the Salarians and Asari have barely had to deal with them - so THEY continue to play politics instead of join the fight.

Edit: The Quarians are certainly the ones making the dumbest decisions. I wanted to hit all the of the Quarian leaders. Got to hit one of them. It felt good.

Modifié par Sc2mashimaro, 28 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[ahandsomeshark]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Personally found Wrex and the Krogans completely unreasonable.

I disagree: see it from Wrex's perspective! The Krogan are a doomed people (at least, they all believe that) already because of the Genophage. So what is the point in fighting to save their race, let alone the two races that doomed them to extinction if they're all just going to die out anyway? It is the curing of the genophage that gives the Krogan enough hope for the future to actually want to fight for it. The fact that the Turians were involved in helping cure it restores just enough good will in them to help hold Palaven. The Turians and Krogans were certainly the most sensible.

The Salarians and Asari were incredibly selfish, possibly because they were not being attacked. Where the Krogan are always ready to fight and the Turians are already fighting the Reapers, the Salarians and Asari have barely had to deal with them - so THEY continue to play politics instead of join the fight.

yeah like I said above I think they really missed the boat in writing the Salarians, Asari, and also Quarians, in this game. They just came off as completely unreasonable and just used as bland obstacles in Shepard's way.

[Raven4030-2]

Actually, from what I gathered with the Quarians it was really a case of the military hijacking the political machine. Gerrel and Xen were the only two really pushing for war (the former for obvious reasons, the latter for research purposes). Koris and Tali (if she survived, and at least on my paragon playthrough) both push for peace. Raan is a generic politician who bends where-ever she thinks the winds are blowing and she sure as heck isn't going to oppose a plan that has a real shot of taking back the homeworld no matter how insanely bad the timing is.

It's pretty heavily implied the civilian fleet (the bulk of the Quarian population) was dragged along for the ride. Gerrel has the strongest personality from what I've seen, and could believably say "we're going after the homeworld whether you like it or not", and given that survival for the Quarians has come from 300 years of unity, they would obviously be hesitant to divide the fleet, ESPECIALLY when they have a real chance to take back their homeworld.

It's easy for us to sit back and judge, because we haven't spent a dozen generations drifting among the stars and being treated as scum by every other sentient being we ever meet.