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[Kalas82]

Did the TE get something from Star-God-Childs wheed?
just no...realy no

besides playin trough the ME-Series withoug dying is not "hard"....i guess the majority of people who played ME didn`t die once....insanity is a another matter..you might die there once or twice..but still most of the time you can sit extreme situation just out.

You failed at the logic level dear TE..how for gods sake does "not dying" make the ending of ME anymore logic? Dont`t play trough the ME3 ending anymore...it`s stupidity might have absorbed you...run mate run.

ahahaha not pausing the game will make ending more logical ahahaha this is borderline hilarious.
Perhaps one has to be that stoned to get the briliance behind the ending....this is just to good.

Modifié par Kalas82, 28 mars 2012 - 09:50 .

[Foltro]

Luzarius wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Eh no. I beat the games on insanity many times, sometimes without even dying. The endings still suck.

Aaah here we go. I was waiting for this. Shepard has no way of "stopping time". If you combat paused then you will never understand your shepard. To truly understand shepard you have to understand how shep must feel while "under fire" in "real time".

Pausing the game is a "god like" ability. It isn't natural. Simply. when you listen to mozart do you pause the song or listen to it without interruption? The combat of the game is very similar.  Embrace the flow of combat, don't insult it by pausing.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Cool story, bro. Now what did you want to tell me?

I am forbidden to use the tools BioWare gave me? I am not to play the game in the way I want to because you think it's insulting Shepard?

The flow of combat is a necessity to fully grasp the concept of Shepard? Would you care to elaborate because I don't see how that's relevant. Mass Effect time run?

I think I understand my Shepard better than you ever will because he is, well, mine. I know what motivates him, I know what he's afraid of.

[Zeratul12]

Op is the starchild Guys he has been indoctrinated its too late for him

[Luzarius]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Anyone can beat the game on insanity, it's childs play. But not everyone can beat the game in a no death play through...... It's a mental challenge. One that will allow you to truly understand Commander Shepard.

No really. Turn the game on Casual and load a level 60 Shepard with Colossus armor you are more or less invincible. When I can take rockets to the face on Insanity and come out alive, well your "mental challenge" on Casual is quite underwhelming.

So what happens if Shepard dies in ME3? Do we restart all the way back with ME and a new Shepard?

Nope, you take it on a game by game basis.  All it takes is a 20-30 hour risk of a no death to help you understand the character better.

I'm just introducing a new way to play that will help illuminate the end of ME3 better. You can come down on me or try to understand my logic.

Someone else in this thread mentioned colossus armor in ME1, but you don't get that for a while. You got to WORK for it, *wink*.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[Tony208]

I'm convinced this is nothing but a ridiculous troll.

[Chromie]

Luzarius wrote...

Aaah here we go. I was waiting for this. Shepard has no way of "stopping time". If you combat paused then you will never understand your shepard. To truly understand shepard you have to understand how shep must feel while "under fire" in "real time".

Shepard feels how I, ME, makes them feel. It's my imagination it's me roleplaying. Your playing it wrong why do I say this? Because your opinion differs from mine.

Fyi I have beat ME3 on Insanity and I don't bother pausing combat anymore unless I have to you know pee or something.

Edit: This is why I like games like Witcher 2 or Diablo II which automatically lock my character on Insanity or Hell difficulty when I die. It removes temptation and yes I have beat Diablo II on Hell.

Modifié par Skelter192, 28 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[k0xfilter]

There are 3 things stopping me from playing me1-3 on insanity with your rules:

1. BUG's. Yes, im one of that kind of persons who magnetically attracts bugs and dies because of them. Maybe its Spacemagic? Who knows.

2. BORING COMBAT. The combat from me1-3 differs and im enjoying all three styles. (one more than other) But i have to admit, that im bored of sidequests without any dialogues where you can make your own choises that matters. sometimes even in the main story. and then im trying to engage the enemy with some new *tactics*, so that the combat may be more exciting. The problem is often that every enemy knows where I am, looks, shoots and hit me with every single shot. (even if they got a M-76 Revenant without mods, every shot hits me)
The result there is: Shepard dies.

3.THE ME3 ENDING. Sorry that i have to say it, but the ending of me3 is the main thing stopping me from playing one of the older me titles and its slowing me down to continue playing the me3 2nd ng+.

Sincerely, k0xi

[Tallestra]

That's your understanding of the game and your Shepard. Do not presume that you can take from me and my Shepard free will to undrestand the game as we choose. Actually, considering your argument it's obvious why the ending where you're stripped of your free will is appealing to you.

[MatronAdena]

you know one of my cousins has a thing about playing similar to this.....though he has pretty major autism and aspergers so...yeah I'll simply nod my head and go make sure my children are still nice and safe....

[translationninja]

square root of.............

[DrFrankenseuss]

Luzarius wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Eh no. I beat the games on insanity many times, sometimes without even dying. The endings still suck.

Aaah here we go. I was waiting for this. Shepard has no way of "stopping time". If you combat paused then you will never understand your shepard. To truly understand shepard you have to understand how shep must feel while "under fire" in "real time".

Pausing the game is a "god like" ability. It isn't natural. Simply. when you listen to mozart do you pause the song or listen to it without interruption? The combat of the game is very similar.  Embrace the flow of combat, don't insult it by pausing.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

Your Shepherd does go around collecting every weapon and upgrade while Quarian fleets are being decimated though, right Luz?  "Why are they trying to rush me? I don't like this!!"

Why do you troll so hard, man? In the three threads I've seen start, it seems like your message is intended to inflame the reader. I wouldn't mind having a sensible discussion about the game, and not just the ending, but you're gonna have to admit that you don't have to play a no-death ruleset to appreciate the game. This is coming from someone who has played roguelikes for close to 20 years. I understand the power of having such a rule, how it makes you feel more involved, but it is not neccessary for understanding a plot.

[Luiginius]

If it walks like a troll, quacks like a troll....

[lockdown51]

I'm not much of a shooter player and used to play Bioware games for the story. So because I don't play on Insanity I don't understand the story?

Do I have to also pick only Renegade options the entire game to "GET IT?" Or Paragon options instead? What if I alternate, is that the right way to play the game? Or I can do an random coin flip system to tell me how to play the game, yes...

[Patchwork]

If we can't pause does that mean we can't use the HUD to use squaddie powers either? Because the HUD does in effect pause the combat.

[DrFrankenseuss]

Ser Bard wrote...

If we can't pause does that mean we can't use the HUD to use squaddie powers either? Because the HUD does in effect pause the combat.

On PC you can have hotkeys assigned for all of the powers. Inb4 he calls down console gamers, like I know he has in his live stream casts.

[Patchwork]

DrFrankenseuss wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

If we can't pause does that mean we can't use the HUD to use squaddie powers either? Because the HUD does in effect pause the combat.

On PC you can have hotkeys assigned for all of the powers. Inb4 he calls down console gamers, like I know he has in his live stream casts.

Well he'd be out of luck with me as I'm not a console player, I was just wondering how far his No Pause! rule went.

[Xandurpein]

Luzarius wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Wait, so if I play all 3 games without dying all of a sudden the ending will make sense? Sorry, but I don't think so

Trust me man. I mean this in a genuine way from bro to bro or bro to sis.

Luzarius

Yours is just another form of arrogance. "If you do as I do, then you will interpret things as I do". Obviously doing what you did meant something to you, and good for you, but that doesn't mean it will mean the same to me or anyone else.

[DrFrankenseuss]

Anytime out of combat he can take his time, set up hotkeys, etc. In combat you cannot press shift or even pause the game with Esc. I think that was his ruleset for no pausing.

[Admiral H. Cain]

*sigh*

You just don't get it, do you?

[Asuka Bianchini]

Dear OP,

I don't really use shift button, as it doesn't make me feel awesome and I like that way. Saved from when playing on insanity, it is really not necessary and I understand your point about it. Also, nowadays I beat it with no death.Now... you see... I am also a pnp RPG player so I give a lot of value to my roleplaying and to understand and getting the ''feeling'' as being my Shep (reasons that I also understand the no stopping time and no death rule you proposed).

Although I had _many_ saves to import to ME3, I decided to make one last run near to ME3's release, to, again, get the ''right'' feeling. I've ended ME2 2 hours after ME3 was available. Although I have many ME saves, I can say my Shepard is pretty much the same on them. That's the way I see Shep, which I think it contributes more to my immersion to the character according to your terms. Almost the same personality, same major decisions, same world's view, same looks. 


Now, let me tell you my Shepard's story, please pay attention:


As a colonist, my Shepard got to learn that impotence is a sin, as she couldn't do nothing but to watch her family, friends and home to be destroyed. 
That had an effect over my Shep's personality. The world ain't that pink after you experience something like that, and since she experienced that early in life, she couldn't really get to learn much more about the pink side either.

My Shep grew a tough person, which later made her to be known as ''the butcher of torfan'' (ruthless p.prof). That kind of events, would just contribute my Shep to be more distant to some stuff.

She wasn't a **** nor a kind heart (paragade more to renegade), she was there to get the job done. She was an ok person but very military (and with a strange obsession for what I will call MY SHIP), and she wouldn't really give time for personal stuff, as she thought she didn't deserve that.
As ME1 events happened, she tried to distance herself from people by keeping the ''professional'' attitude, she cared about them yes, but not to let that interfere in the operation. All that matters is to get the job done, no matter the cost.

Getting the job done was the source of satisfaction for her. She had to sacrifice one of her squadmates in Virmire, which had an impact on her, yes. Something else for her to remember to not get personal attachment. Nothing can interfere with what must be done. So yea, by sacrificing her personal life she could always succeeed in the end. And so she did against Saren.

But then........ SHE DIED.
And what!? The Aliance didn't even care? As she sees how things went after her death, she just realizes....... dafuq was all this for?
Then yea, she will do things for her own ego, still getting the job done and revenge-thirsty for the collectors. (full renegade ftw)

As she allows that change to happen and cares more about herself, she slowly allows people to get in her life. And, in this second opportunity of living she is being given, yea, she starts to allow herself to experience that. 
And the change starts to happen (more paragon choices here)...

As Liara asks her in LotSB, what is she fighting for?
Yes, it is for Garrus.It is for Mordin, Legion, Thane, Samara, etc. 
She found out what really matters to her, and although this adds to strenght, also adds to weakness.
Shep IS flawed.
She defeats the collectors, victory, yes, and she is happy by being near to her LI and true friends. But then.... the job must be done again, and she blows up the relay in arrival, and despite of her effort of doing the right thing for everyone's sake, what she can get is being grounded.
She KNOWS what is at stake, yet, she can do nothing, by the laws of men, those she has been serving. Again, impotence at its best.
And. The reapers come. And as if all Shep has already gave into the cause was not enought, she needs to go back there and fight. Yes, survival.

In ME3 my Shep was a paragade more to paragon now. she was human anought now, and took her to die to realize that, she was never so human after those implants.

In the final assault, she took Garrus with her,they'd walk hell togheter, as it has to be, there is no Shepard without Vakarian, and she took Javik, because he DESERVED to be there in the final blow to compensate his honor to his people.

As she gets blasted, she doesn't even care about their fate?
The fate of the people she was really fighting for?
What would give her strenght to fight? NO. That is wrong. My Shepard is a flawed human. Not the idealistic hero that will think of the cause just for the beauty of it.
She learned things do not work that way, she DID have her personal stake there.

She was NOT a Mary Sue. She KNEW her limitations. And she KNEW what she was fighting for. The ending was NOTHING like my Shepard.


And neither me or my Shepard like the endings.

And you will tell I don't understand my Shepard because of that?

Do you really believe that?
Is it really me who is not getting it here?

EDIT: Formating

Modifié par Asuka Bianchini, 28 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[KleinerVance]

Wait....let me get this straight.

Playing through all games without pausing combat or dying will somehow alter my perception enough so that I like the ending?


.....Riiiiiiiight.

[crimzontearz]

no thanks

[DemGeth]

Playing through all 100 hours of ME without pausing WOULD alter my perception of things in general I think, just not in any kind of........sane way.

[Aweus]

I usually dont say this outright out of respect to people. But... OP is a troll.
Read his posts in here and it will be obvious. Anything he posts has a purpose to bait.
I am out from this thread and so should be you.

Modifié par Aweus, 28 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Achkas]

It's interesting how many people shout 'troll' when someone disagrees with their opinion, but if someone say, called the mass of the ridiculous retakeme3 community trolls, they'd get lynched. hypothetically speaking, of course.