229 réponses à ce sujet

[Baine10]

I have posted a lengthy post which I assume people who reply with one word didn't read. I know that your thinking is too simplistic to understand the ending. Everyone's thinking is. I'm just trying to get people on my bandwagon by saying I am "challenging" them, but all I'm doing is promoting myself and my live channel, by posting it manually on every single post I make.

I'm Luzarius, thinly disguising my self-promotion and I'm forcing my opinion on you. Your thinking does not matter. Assuming direct control of your gameplay. You died in your game, so you don't understand.

Well, I'm Baine-F888ing-10 and you're being overtly pretentious in your so called "argument". Forums are a place for discussion, not for your personal proclamations of unholy followings or presentations of perpetual myth. Get off your high horse and try understanding the current situation

Modifié par Baine10, 28 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Relwyn]

Tregon wrote...

Definitely no.

S**t does not turn into anything else no matter how hard you try to polish it.

As my uncle puts it: You can make a pie out of a pile of ****, but you still can't eat it. 

[kookie28]

Good troll OP.

[Kalas82]

Achkas wrote...

It's interesting how many people shout 'troll' when someone disagrees with their opinion, but if someone say, called the mass of the ridiculous retakeme3 community trolls, they'd get lynched. hypothetically speaking, of course.

yeeeeea....no

Any argument in favor of this hilarious thread? You realy think this is in any way shape or form valid?



lemme get this straight...not dying and not pausing the game makes the ending valid?Seriously? No just can`t be serious. No one can be this...i guess some might...no just no.

[Asuka Bianchini]

OP: "No one understands Shep, I do, and s/he is not a mary sue" -> OP makes his Shep as a Mary sue.

[Achkas]

Kalas82 wrote...

Achkas wrote...

It's interesting how many people shout 'troll' when someone disagrees with their opinion, but if someone say, called the mass of the ridiculous retakeme3 community trolls, they'd get lynched. hypothetically speaking, of course.

yeeeeea....no

Any argument in favor of this hilarious thread? You realy think this is in any way shape or form valid?



lemme get this straight...not dying and not pausing the game makes the ending valid?Seriously? No just can`t be serious. No one can be this...i guess some might...no just no.

oh sure the no-dying thing is ludicruous and somewhat out-of-nowhere, my response was more to how abusive people are being

[Jenonax]

So the cure for plotholes is not dying? Wow.

[Esoretal]

BarrelDrago wrote...

Say if i go with the no death rule do that mean techincally that i cant go further than mass effect 2 intro?

[Militarized]

Ugh god you again.

I think you need to get out of your own arrogance and take an impartial look at the ending.

Take a look at this video, it explains the ending grievances.

I challenge you bro, I totally challenge you to watch this video and not understand our grievances.

Modifié par Militarized, 28 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[Mobius-Silent]

Luzarius wrote...
 The catalyst will make sense, the options presented will make perfect sense. Everything will fall into place, 

You are incorrect, No amount of  metagaming will prevent the catalyst from making a mockery of the plot of ME1

[wicked_being]

Ah OP...were you so happy when several people from BSN flocked to your channel when you were near ME3's ending that now you're just shamelessly promoting your channel by creating as much controversy as you can? That's so sad.

[shinobi602]

Isn't this that guy that was playing on livefeed the other day? Good God man. Playing in a no death ruleset will not change the fact the ending MADE NO DAMN SENSE.

Enlighten yourself...please.

Modifié par shinobi602, 28 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[Evanz]

ME3 ending made it here:
http://tvtropes.org/.../EndingAversion

[Zirinna]

I'm almost sad to say I watched this guy finish the game... and for his version of Shep, the ending actually wasn't a difficult choice... He was lucky in that his shep was pro human, anti-ai (he didn't save the geth) so it was an easy choice for him to choose destroy since only EDI was going to be added to the death of the reapers. No problems with genocide for him to consider. and of course the other plot holes I guess he just headcannoned them and isn't upset since his final choice matched exactly what he envisioned his Shep to be...

It's much easier to overlook the other stuff when you aren't bothered by the options the god-child gives you.

it has nothing to do with no-death ruleset... anyone can understand their shep if they choose to, in fact I'm certain that most do, which is why they are upset over how things turned out, if we didn't understand our char we wouldn't care about the utter garbage we were fed at the end of ME3.

Also he wasn't bothered by the magical saving of the normandy and crew...or what their fate might be now...  he was just happy his LI survived.

Modifié par Zirinna, 28 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[Aspex]

Luzarius wrote...

FyreSyder wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No.

Proof is absolute.

This is the type of player who didn't understand the ME3 ending. I can no longer respond to this type of response. But the proof is absolute.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

I found this to be your most curious statement.  For all your talk about belief, trust, faith and all that bro to bro language, you suddenly bring up the concept of 'proof' which goes completely against everything you asked people to do.

Do you know what your tone reminds me of?  An arrogant priest.  Someone who thinks he 'understands' some divine concept and feels an obligation to help lesser ones in understanding what he did.  I'm sorry, you do not sound like a 'bro', and I don't get the impression that you poured all your heart and love into writing that.  You just sound very arrogant.

You ask for faith without giving proof, but then you say you mysteriously have this amazing 'proof' and therefore we should have faith in you.  I can predict the response already, that I and most others here just are not the 'type of player who would enjoy the ME3 endings', that we fail to understand and trust, therefore we won't get it.  

Your argument is impossible to invalidate because it is based on nothing.  If we do what you want and feel what you feel, it lends 'credence' to your claim.  If we do what you want and we don't feel what you feel, we're STILL not 'the type of player who would enjoy the ME3 endings', that we missed the message, that we're some bunch of CoD shooter kids, that sort.

Your 'argument' also completely ignores the practical issue of the endings.  Most peoples' problems are with the plot holes, which from a literary and simple perspective standpoint exist.  Claim that it's not fact all you want, it's still better than shouting about faith and belief with absolutely no substance to back up what you're saying except 'trust me'. 

If I were to have 'faith' in you, and I end up enjoying the endings, the only reason why I can think I would be is if the problem is a) resolved hidden from my view.  Option A clearly does not happen simply because I play differently.  Option B, if even possible, means my faith in you has made me blind to the flaws of the end.  

So, no.  If your 'faith' helps you appreciate the endings, go right ahead.  But start speaking in a tone that elevates you to some holy pedastal and drives people away from your lack of rational argument and logic, don't expect anything less than the treatment you're getting.  

And for the record, dismissing someone as simply being unable to understand hardly helps your case for a rational, logical argument.

[rivqa]

Evanz wrote...

ME3 ending made it here:
http://tvtropes.org/.../EndingAversion

I'm glad I visited this thread just for this, and this page it linked to: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarknessInducedAudienceApathy ... explains my biggest problem with the endings!

[Swisspease]

Yes master...
I will obey master...

- shakes head clearing it -

What? By not dying I will understand the ending. So the fact that I loved the story and played several different Shepards from the very beginning of ME1 so I can get every subtle difference in the story that was possible, without dying, and still hate the ending... then I must be broken or something. Nope. Still hate the ending and still have no interest in replaying it with my other Shepards.

[Flextt]

No.

I understand the ending. My personal analysis simply reached a different conclusion. My primary beef with it is the lack of coherence, change of pace and deus ex machina all done in 5 minutes and 14 lines of dialogue. I prepared a savegame intentionally for Mass Effect 3 towards the end of February to fully immerse myself and refresh my memory about the lore. And when I finished ME 3, I wanted to undo the experience and replay ME 2 again, because, you know, I like fulfilling endings.

[Estelindis]

Luzarius wrote...

the proof is absolute

I do not think that means what you think it means.

[wright1978]

The Angry One wrote...

Cute. But you use a lot of words to say nothing.
My Shepard would never give up. She would never "trust" an untrustworthy, genocidal maniac.
She would fight to the bitter end no matter what. She would not give up. I understand the ending perfectly.

Yeah being railroaded into trusting and accepting the words of a genocidal maniac makes zero sense. 

[Swisspease]

Maybe if I drank some Absolut I would understand the ending

A lot of Absolut.

Nope ending still sucks

[RogueFreer]

I might have initially enjoyed the ending, as you have done and while I was shocked the way it ended, it was the author's prerogative and a reasonable one at that - although the sudden last minute introduction felt slightly off.
However while that is forgivable that is not my problem with the ending. The problem stems from the parts which make no logical sense (the main one being Joker's retreat with my squadmates somehow) - this is what ruins the ending for me. It doesn't piece together properly.

For that reason it is not a brilliant ending, yes Shepard should die but it shouldn't break the beautiful narrative that they had set up.

It would be as if in LOTR after the ring has been thrown into Mount Doom but then we cut to a scene of Gollum talking to an older Samwise Gamgee about how he used the one ring to propose to Rosie Cotton.

[rexx1888]

your a git, if you're going to troll the whole community to advertise your ****ing livestream then remember, you're scum.

go back to your hole troll and leave the forum be.

bloody ****

[Laurcus]

Sorry OP, already did it. Before ME3 came out, I did a no death playthrough of ME1 and 2. I doubt anyone is more hardcore into roleplaying than me. I can immerse myself in games so much that it's almost scary at times. In fact that's one reason I refuse to play survival horror games.

ME3's ending contains many cliche tropes, and is just plain bad writing. The problem is that ME3 was meant to be the final part of a space opera. It's not about understanding Shepard's character. No amount of highschool level philosophy can make the plot holes and cliches go away.

It's just bad writing, period.

[Luzarius]

Militarized wrote...

Ugh god you again.

I think you need to get out of your own arrogance and take an impartial look at the ending.

Take a look at this video, it explains the ending grievances.

I challenge you bro, I totally challenge you to watch this video and not understand our grievances.

If you have to watch a youtube video. Then it PROVES that you have no idea who commander shepard is.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"